Texas_Ace MT09R Modding thread, 20k+ lumens, 80CRI, can start fires? Yes please.

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Okay, I had to refresh my memory and work this out.

The MF01 v1 had 3 groups of 2S3P = 6v with 3 built in drivers, one for each group of 6 leds. Used 6 wires to mcpcb.

The v2 was 6S3P where all 18 emitters were wired together and needed 18v. Used 2 wires to mcpcb.

So what you did was convert the 6S3P to 3S6P which needs 9 volts and uses 2 wires to mcpcb? Correct?

This method requires less changes on the mcpcb?

You don’t get a big boost in output, but maybe you go from 12k to 14k lumen (xpg3) and it’s consistent for a long time until it drops out of regulation. So it’s not a big upgrade, it’s just more reliable and has a better UI.

All this number crunching makes my head hurt. Lol

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JasonWW wrote:
Okay, I had to refresh my memory and work this out.

The MF01 v1 had 3 groups of 2S3P = 6v with 3 built in drivers, one for each group of 6 leds. Used 6 wires to mcpcb.

The v2 was 6S3P where all 18 emitters were wired together and needed 18v. Used 2 wires to mcpcb.

So what you did was convert the 6S3P to 3S6P which needs 9 volts and uses 2 wires to mcpcb? Correct?

This method requires less changes on the mcpcb?

You don’t get a big boost in output, but maybe you go from 12k to 14k lumen (xpg3) and it’s consistent for a long time until it drops out of regulation. So it’s not a big upgrade, it’s just more reliable and has a better UI.

All this number crunching makes my head hurt. Lol

correct 3 cuts are made on the MCPCB 6S to 3S

The driver regulates output over the whole battery capacity pretty constant
I found recently a better p-channel MOSFET, which has less conducting and less switching losses, so I could increase the current a bit
But that FET has another footprint so new board would need to be made

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50k+ lumen after mod? Damn…! That’s going to be very dangerous lol.

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Does MT09R throw more than the BLF Q8? I ask because I’m a fan of flood lights and the Q8 might be my limit of the throw… not saying it’s a bad thing. I just like to have a sea of light in front of me lol.
I have the following “big lumen” lights: MT03, MF01, BLF Q8. Where does the MT09R landed in terms of flood.

Flood effect in orders: MT03> MF01> BLF Q8

The MT09R has a much floodier spill than the MF01. The MF01 beam is more focused. I put DC-Fix on my MT09R and the beam is PERFECT. Great flood, good throw, and smooth hotspot transition.

Whaaa! I really like the MF01 but too bad it’s UI sucks compared to the Q8.
So you’re saying it has more flood and spill than MF01?! If you have a moment can you (or anyone) do a good shot of how the MT09R lights up the area? Thanks!

Absolutely. Mf01 is worth modding.. swap all 18 led to xpl hi, upgrade the battery carriers, and new driver.. you get 16,0000 to 180000 lumen.. those are focus lumen and all the lumen are in one hot spot unlike flood..

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Who’s doing mods for the MF01? I’m not talented enough to pull that off.

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TA could do it. Lexel ( Germany) can do as well.

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Uhh, modding the MF01 with XPL Hi would be interesting, but not really useful.

You’d lose the best aspect of the MF01: the 219C LEDs are absolutely marvelous in terms of color rendition.

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Uhh, modding the MF01 with XPL Hi would be interesting, but not really useful.

You’d lose the best aspect of the MF01: the 219C LEDs are absolutely marvelous in terms of color rendition.

I completely agree. It’s the 219C 90+ Nichia CRI that makes this light worth modding or even owning. I really like the CRI on this because the colors do show up better than even the 80 or 90 CRI Crees. Tintwise, I prefer the XHP70.2 4000k 80CRI because it has less green.

Actually come to think about it, if you can put in XPL2 80CRI high bin emitters (not sure if it fits), I wonder if you can get it to pump out 22k+ lumens, in which case, that would be very interesting indeed in a very focused beam with good tint.

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Hey, Texas Ace, looks like my light arrived at your place! FedEx tracking said delivered around 1pm.
Hope the mod goes well!
Did I hear you were out of the 5700k p2 70.2 emitters?

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Does anyone know what are the best batteries to power the MT03?

I have the Sony VTC 6. But for maximum power (without testing) the VTC 5A should give you more

These are good cells, I generally just use 30Q myself since they are cheaper.

I have the 30Q on the BLF Q8. Was hoping to try out a different set of batteries on the MT03

Since you have had quite a few MT03 came your way, any idea if they will take flat top batteries???

From the factory they have polarity protection, you would have to remove that to use flat top cells. Although I highly recommend not doing that, bad things would happen if you put a cell in backwards.

The easiest option is to solder blob the cells. Thats what I do.

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TA do you mod other lights too? such as MF01… the UI on that isn’t very good and I want to have ramp mod on that too (plus some extra power lol)

In the case of the MF01, I have not personally seen one so I am not sure what improvements there are to be made with it. I am sure they are possible, just not sure what they are without pulling it apart for myself.


Besides the driver swap, an important consideration is whether you’re working on a early version 1 or a later version 2 MF01.

Version 1 has 6 wires going to the leds and uses 6 volts.

Version 2 has 2 wires going to the leds and uses 18 volts.

If it’s version 2 you will have to cut traces on the mcpcb and add some wires to get it to accept 6v. This extra work for version 2 has to be factored in.

Thanks for the info, yes I would need to examine the light before I could quote a price.

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And here comes another question Facepalm 4S means all battery insert the same direction right….? Mine is 2 in 2 out so I would assume that’s 2S2P?

Are the 2 cells pointing up/down side by side or diagonal?

Cells will be side by side (2 up and 2 down next to each other)
Full name of the light is Haikelite MT03 II Devourer

Yep, I can mod that just like an MT09. Makes for a very nice light indeed.

The prices and options are the same as the MT09.

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Hey, Texas Ace, looks like my light arrived at your place! FedEx tracking said delivered around 1pm. Hope the mod goes well! Did I hear you were out of the 5700k p2 70.2 emitters?

Yep, I think that is the box sitting next to me.

I just got my latest order of LED’s in the other day, that should give me all the LED’s I need to finish off all the current orders as of early this week.

I am out of drivers though, the last one I have is being sent to HL for testing next week. I have the components to make more drivers and just waiting for more pcb’s. They should be in Wednesday. About the same time the lights from Terry show up (which is why I told him to wait). I will start up work on these mods again late next week. It will take me a day or 2 to build the drivers.

I needed a few days off anyways, got a lot of other things to take care of in real life during this “downtime”.

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Fortunately, I don’t need a driver – yours is already installed Smile
Just the LED swap, as I installed your driver and did the spring bypass a week ago when your driver came in.
But I understand the need for rest though.
I wonder what the lumens are with everything but the new emitters? I may have to buy one of your lumen tubes…
Have a blessed day!

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TSO wrote:
Fortunately, I don’t need a driver – yours is already installed Smile Just the LED swap, as I installed your driver and did the spring bypass a week ago when your driver came in. But I understand the need for rest though. I wonder what the lumens are with everything but the new emitters? I may have to buy one of your lumen tubes… Have a blessed day!

Ah, I forgot which one that was that was coming with the driver already. In that case I can most likely knock yours out this weekend. Maybe tonight actually since the spring bypass is done, I am so sick of bypassing those springs lol.

Oh and I forgot the lights I was supposed to drop off today at home when I left this morning, so they will go out tomorrow instead. Sorry about that.

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Ah, I forgot which one that was that was coming with the driver already. In that case I can most likely knock yours out this weekend. Maybe tonight actually since the spring bypass is done, I am so sick of bypassing those springs lol

WHOO HOO Smile

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No kidding on the tedious spring bypass!
I did all five, sloppily, but with your new driver the main spring initially got hot almost immediately. After bypassing with 18 gauge wire, it doesn’t even get warm all the way to light step down. Definitely a necessary step.

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No kidding on the tedious spring bypass! I did all five, sloppily, but with your new driver the main spring initially got hot almost immediately. After bypassing with 18 gauge wire, it doesn’t even get warm all the way to light step down. Definitely a necessary step.

Yep, the driver spring will melt for sure and the rest of the springs are pushed well past ideal without the bypasses.

I can instantly tell which lights were used and which were shelf queens when they come to me by how collapsed the driver spring is.

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If you got a moment can you do some night shot with modded MT03 turbo out? I want to see that flooding my back yard lol

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If you got a moment can you do some night shot with modded MT03 turbo out? I want to see that flooding my back yard lol

Hmm, not sure if I have one on hand right now but I should have one for myself by the time I take the XHP70.2 GT out for some beamshots, I will try to remember to take it along for comparison, also the mt09R.

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I forgot i am getting my mt07s 10k lumen light today. It is going to be a great night because the most i ever lift from the single xhp70.2 is 6700 lumen. 3000 lumen step up from the single emitter…

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I forgot i am getting my mt07s 10k lumen light today. It is going to be a great night because the most i ever lift from the single xhp70.2 is 6700 lumen. 3000 lumen step up from the single emitter…

Hope you like it! It is very impressive for a single emitter.

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10K from a single XHP70.2? I thought they peaked at about 9K?

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10K from a single XHP70.2? I thought they peaked at about 9K?

In the “hot test” yes a bit over 9k but from a cold start they can peak over 10k for a few seconds and then it drops as the light heats up until it stabilizes in the low to mid 9k range.

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I forgot i am getting my mt07s 10k lumen light today. It is going to be a great night because the most i ever lift from the single xhp70.2 is 6700 lumen. 3000 lumen step up from the single emitter...
Hope you like it! It is very impressive for a single emitter.

 

I may send you one to install one of those for myself.

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Ok, it looks like I got packages from BimmerNut318, Saypat and 808HI today.

I will open them up and see if any of them don’t need xhp70 drivers later, I am pretty sure Saypat does not. Any that don’t I will try to get finished on Monday.

The rest will have to wait until I get the next driver PCB’s, and build the drivers. It should be end of next week when I can start working on the rest of those lights.

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they can peak over 10k for a few seconds and then it drops as the light heats up until it stabilizes in the low to mid 9k range.

Impressive for a single LED. Gotta get me some of ‘em some day.
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they can peak over 10k for a few seconds and then it drops as the light heats up until it stabilizes in the low to mid 9k range.
Impressive for a single LED. Gotta get me some of ‘em some day.

Indeed, I was seriously impressed the first time I saw those numbers. You just keep pumping in more power and it keeps giving more lumens lol.

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Just letting everyone know that I still have about 14 of the MT09R 70.2 NW in the green and blue colors left.

 

The price on them is very low, also I can ship them straight to TA for you to have the new driver installed as well as emitter upgrades for any that may want emitter upgrades. They are all NW tint and even with stock  emitters once the new TA driver goes in it becomes a 20k plus lumen light.

 

Any that do not sell by the time I get them back to my warehouse in S.C. which is still about 9 more days. I will be purchasing the drivers from TA myself and installing them. After that the price will go back to the regular retail price.

 

The price I have them at right now even if you have TA install the new driver for you, you will still be saving about $35.00 each for them Also all of TA's work is warranted by the factory. (only standard parts and labor. If you purchase $40.00 LED's and the develop some sort of problem I can only replace them with stock emitters, the drivers will be the same.

 

The best time to get them is not while I can ship much larger orders to TA instead of one here and there costing a lot extra in shipping.

 

Thanks guys. Just trying to keep everyone updated.

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Buy the way TA I’ll be sending you that MT09R that is having driver problems, or has a dead driver or possibly the switch, who knows on Monday or Tues. and by the time it gets there my other light the Blue XHP70.2’s should be about arriving at the same time, just guessing because it should have been shipped last Tues or Wed and I could never get a straight answer.
This light needing repaired was not one of your installs so I just need to find out what’s messed up and get it fixed and attach the bill to the other light build, Thanks..

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Ok, I will be watching for it and let you know what I find out.

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