Texas_Ace MT09R Modding thread, 20k+ lumens, 80CRI, can start fires? Yes please.

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Before I forget, I am also including a washer under the tailcap of the MT09/MT03 now to help it spin easier and not bind or risk shorting out to the tailcap over time.

The mailman brought another light today, this one from Darbonius. Stock his light is doing ~12k lumens with CW emitters.

He wanted a TA driver with 50% ramp, springs bypassed, and 4000k 80cri LED’s. Pretty much the standard build at this point. Although interestingly the next LED order I am placing has as many 5700k as 4000k.

Speaking of which I missed the order cutoff to get the LED order shipped out yesterday so I will be waiting till tomorrow or monday to place the order to give people more time to place orders and get in on this shipment.

Don’t forget the 5000k LED’s that just popped up (interestingly I called and asked them if they had any 5000k a few weeks ago when this started and then 10k of these 5000k LED’s appeared) if anyone wants to try them.

I also got the GT XHP70.2 mod finished earlier today and with dedomed XHP70.2 LED’s it is hitting almost 85% of the throw that the XHP35 hi is doing!

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So my question is if this idea works, would anyone be interested in a calibrated PVC sphere based on my own sphere?

The names are a bit confusing. It doesn’t seem right to call it a sphere when it’s not ball shaped at all. What about calling it a Lumen Tube or PVC Lumen Tube?

Or does that name just make it more confusing?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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Pulled down that huge post, but I have a lot of interest in your work on a lot of lights TA, so will PM when the MT09R’s are here and see if you have any interest in about another 10 lights or so with various modding requests, got cash so not a problem, just need perfection like what you provide, sorry about my getting carried away with that post, nothing unusual from me frankly.

lol, no problem at all.

Sure send me a PM when you are ready and we can talk. Sadly I do not have a lathe so I can not do any machine work, I wish I did though. Nor am I setup for any kind of coatings at the moment, used to do some powder coating but that setup is long gone now.

Far as other stuff though, sure, As long as the light can be opened (aka, I don’t like messing with glued lights, it is almost impossible to open them without damage) I am willing to look at it.


Sounds good, will be in touch very soon, by the way would you happen to have any XHP35-H0-E23C perhaps times 3 or more..?
My goal is to get lights modded past my skill level to deal with nasty weather, clouds, fog etc. and still have some throw. Every light I own has been opened eventually, I even got those GT’s opened finally and they weren’t even glued but wow they must have a beast of a human assembling those lights at Lumintop,
Will talk shortly I hope, I really want to get these projects done right, tired of messing them up and redoing them over and over.
Thanks TA

Sadly I don’t have access to any of those LED’s, I wish I did. The XHP35’s are hard to get in small quantities and you kinda got to take what you can get.

Yep, just get a list of what you want done and send me a PM and we can talk.

This is why the GT’s are so hard to open, they sent me this when I complained that I could not get my GT open.

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So my question is if this idea works, would anyone be interested in a calibrated PVC sphere based on my own sphere?

The names are a bit confusing. It doesn’t seem right to call it a sphere when it’s not ball shaped at all. What about calling it a Lumen Tube or PVC Lumen Tube?

Or does that name just make it more confusing?

I have had the same thought but everyone calls it a sphere when talking about a lumen measuring device. So trying to come up with a new name at this point seems like it would add more confusion.

Although I am open to suggestions.

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Well Lumintop is not messing around when they assemble, that surely explains why I had to buy two boa constrictor rubber and metal strap wrenches and with degenerative disks in my neck that are just crushed it really kicked my butte getting those apart but I did it but not without paying the price in pain for over a week.
I do know Lumintop has some serious glue, just try and disassemble the AAA Ti Tool with the electronic stupid switch, geez, that is some work.

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I also got the GT XHP70.2 mod finished earlier today and with dedomed XHP70.2 LED’s it is hitting almost 85% of the throw that the XHP35 hi is doing!

Wow a dedomed 70.2 with close to 10k lumens making 85% of XHP35 throw is amazing! Too bad the GT is so massive, otherwise I would buy it from you! I wonder what kind of throw you can get with MT07S or MT09R w/ 70.2 dedomed.

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I got my mt09rTA xhp70.2 and xhp 35. 18650 are almost finished charging.. will post my impression..

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I also got the GT XHP70.2 mod finished earlier today and with dedomed XHP70.2 LED’s it is hitting almost 85% of the throw that the XHP35 hi is doing!

Wow a dedomed 70.2 with close to 10k lumens making 85% of XHP35 throw is amazing! Too bad the GT is so massive, otherwise I would buy it from you! I wonder what kind of throw you can get with MT07S or MT09R w/ 70.2 dedomed.

we’ll find out, TA is doing that to my next MT09R

Sorry, with 80cri xhp70.2

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I also got the GT XHP70.2 mod finished earlier today and with dedomed XHP70.2 LED’s it is hitting almost 85% of the throw that the XHP35 hi is doing!

Wow a dedomed 70.2 with close to 10k lumens making 85% of XHP35 throw is amazing! Too bad the GT is so massive, otherwise I would buy it from you! I wonder what kind of throw you can get with MT07S or MT09R w/ 70.2 dedomed.

Yep, the numbers are even hard for me to believe so I am taking them with a large grain of salt until I get a new lux meter. These small HS1010’s work great for the sphere where the light is heavily diffused entering the meter but for direct lux readings they always ready low it seems. The dr meter did much better and got similar results to others with the GT.

I am also curious about a dedomed XHP70.2 in the MT09 or MT07, luckily I have at least 2 coming that are getting that treatment.

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we’ll find out, TA is doing that to my next MT09R

Sorry, with 80cri xhp70.2

Yep, you are one of them.

The tint shift is noticeable for sure with the 4000k seeing it side by side in the GT’s. It ends up in the mid to high 3000k range for sure. Just so you are aware. I can change your LED’s order still since I had to wait to place the order till tomorrow or Monday.

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Well Lumintop is not messing around when they assemble, that surely explains why I had to buy two boa constrictor rubber and metal strap wrenches and with degenerative disks in my neck that are just crushed it really kicked my butte getting those apart but I did it but not without paying the price in pain for over a week. I do know Lumintop has some serious glue, just try and disassemble the AAA Ti Tool with the electronic stupid switch, geez, that is some work.

Yeah, it took 2 full grow guys plus a strap wrench and vice to get mine apart finally. It is no joke.

The hardest part is getting a good grip, the vice made it much easier but I was so worried about scratching it up I tried to not use it at first. Luckily there was no damage.

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I got my mt09rTA xhp70.2 and xhp 35. 18650 are almost finished charging.. will post my impression..

Can’t wait to see what you think!

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Is this Dr.Meter LX1330B lux meter the best bang for the buck? I’m planning to get this one to test throw. What do you guys think?

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That is the same one I plan to order this weekend, I have heard good reviews about it. It is also the same thing I used to use as well and liked it. The HS1010 is simpler to use but the dr meter seems more accurate for throw readings.

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I got my mt09rTA xhp70.2 and xhp 35. 18650 are almost finished charging.. will post my impression..

Can’t wait to see what you think!

It is not dark yet.. i did the ceiling bounce and its definitely over 20k lumen light.. daylight ! ramping mode is super smooth. ( descending or ascending ). I like both version with the 5700k tint. Overall, its worth it. Brighter, highest bin led, TA driver, and more reliable. I a, happy with the mods..

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I got my mt09rTA xhp70.2 and xhp 35. 18650 are almost finished charging.. will post my impression..

Can’t wait to see what you think!

It is not dark yet.. i did the ceiling bounce and its definitely over 20k lumen light.. daylight ! ramping mode is super smooth. ( descending or ascending ). I like both version with the 5700k tint. Overall, its worth it. Brighter, highest bin led, TA driver, and more reliable. I a, happy with the mods..

Great, always good to know the work was worth it!

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I also finished Darbonius MT03 with 50% ramp, TA driver, bypasses and 80cri LED’s.

It was doing ~12k lumens stock and had melted the driver spring in the process.

Now it is doing ~21k lumens and should not have anymore spring issues (although remember, don’t over tighten the tailcap, there is no hard stop).

Looks good and I am happy with the results.

I will get it shipped out tomorrow.

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I also got the GT XHP70.2 mod finished earlier today and with dedomed XHP70.2 LED’s it is hitting almost 85% of the throw that the XHP35 hi is doing!

Wow a dedomed 70.2 with close to 10k lumens making 85% of XHP35 throw is amazing! Too bad the GT is so massive, otherwise I would buy it from you! I wonder what kind of throw you can get with MT07S or MT09R w/ 70.2 dedomed.

Yep, the numbers are even hard for me to believe so I am taking them with a large grain of salt until I get a new lux meter.


When you remove the dome you automatically lose output. I could tell just by eye when I did that with an older xhp70. TA, do you know how much output you lose, 10%?

The last report I heard from you was that your GT was modded to 6A (12v) and did 1300 meters with the dome on. I can’t find the thread, but I think you bumped up the output to 8A (12v) on the GT driver, sliced the dome off and got about 1600 meters. Is that right?

Have you swapped in a FET driver to the GT? Has the distance gone up again?

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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When you remove the dome you automatically lose output. I could tell just by eye when I did that with an older xhp70. TA, do you know how much output you lose, 10%?

The last report I heard from you was that your GT was modded to 6A (12v) and did 1300 meters with the dome on. I can’t find the thread, but I think you bumped up the output to 8A (12v) on the GT driver, sliced the dome off and got about 1600 meters. Is that right?

Have you swapped in a FET driver to the GT? Has the distance gone up again?

Yeah, around 8-10% was what I was seeing in losses but it is hard to tell exactly as these output levels since I can only hold the reflector for so long before my fingers start burning lol.

Yes, I had it with the stock driver @ 6A and it was around 1300m with the dome on and 1600m with the dome off IIRC. I never ended up taking it to 8A. It was simpler to just go with a TA FET driver since the GT can handle the power. So I spent the last few months working on that off and on.

Now it is doing something around ~10-11A at 12v (20-22A @ 6v) and the numbers have gone up to match naturally. See the GT modding thread for the latest numbers http://budgetlightforum.com/node/56040?page=5

I don’t have the same meter I was using (that is the meter you have now Wink ) so I am having to use the cheap meters that I know read low. I am waiting until I get another Dr meter to really get some numbers I can trust. These just seem too good to be true but they are what it said.

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OK, here’s my dumb question for today,
Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping,
I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping?
That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about.
Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

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T18 wrote:
OK, here’s my dumb question for today,
Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping,
I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping?
That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about.
Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

Using the ramping method, holding down the button, it doesn’t go full power. It stops short.
Then you have to dbl click to get full power.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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OK, here’s my dumb question for today, Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping, I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping? That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about. Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

The only dumb question is the question that is not asked (or that is not learned from if it was already asked lol).

The 50% ramp simply stops the ramp at 50% power, this is around ~11-14k lumens on most lights. Then you can double click for turbo 100% power.

I find that limiting the ramp to 50% is more then enough light for 98% of tasks and reduces the stress on everything by half and also vastly reduces the overheating.

I actually setup my lights lower then this in many cases so that I can give it to anyone and they will not run it unnecessarily hot and bright.

Another thing I like about the 50% is that you can actually see a difference when you go to turbo, so it makes turbo mean something.

You can chose 100% power if you desire as well.

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OK, here’s my dumb question for today, Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping, I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping? That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about. Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly
Using the ramping method, holding down the button, it doesn’t go full power. It stops short. Then you have to dbl click to get full power.

Yep, he beat me to it.

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OK, here’s my dumb question for today, Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping, I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping? That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about. Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

The only dumb question is the question that is not asked (or that is not learned from if it was already asked lol).

The 50% ramp simply stops the ramp at 50% power, this is around ~11-14k lumens on most lights. Then you can double click for turbo 100% power.

I find that limiting the ramp to 50% is more then enough light for 98% of tasks and reduces the stress on everything by half and also vastly reduces the overheating.

I actually setup my lights lower then this in many cases so that I can give it to anyone and they will not run it unnecessarily hot and bright.

Another thing I like about the 50% is that you can actually see a difference when you go to turbo, so it makes turbo mean something.

You can chose 100% power if you desire as well.


Just to get technical, do you set it to 50% the amp draw (or what is equivalent to that) or do you set it to 50% of the ramping numbers? I think NarsilM uses 150 steps? Something like that.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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JasonWW wrote:
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OK, here’s my dumb question for today, Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping, I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping? That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about. Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

The only dumb question is the question that is not asked (or that is not learned from if it was already asked lol).

The 50% ramp simply stops the ramp at 50% power, this is around ~11-14k lumens on most lights. Then you can double click for turbo 100% power.

I find that limiting the ramp to 50% is more then enough light for 98% of tasks and reduces the stress on everything by half and also vastly reduces the overheating.

I actually setup my lights lower then this in many cases so that I can give it to anyone and they will not run it unnecessarily hot and bright.

Another thing I like about the 50% is that you can actually see a difference when you go to turbo, so it makes turbo mean something.

You can chose 100% power if you desire as well.


Just to get technical, do you set it to 50% the amp draw (or what is equivalent to that) or do you set it to 50% of the ramping numbers? I think NarsilM uses 152 steps? Something like that.

I set it to approx 50% duty PWM. So 255 is 100%, and I generally set the ramp to around ~125-130pwm.

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OK, here’s my dumb question for today,
Could someone please explain to me what is meant with requesting a 50% ramping,
I think I understand 100% ramping but I don’t get the request for 50%, what happens with the other 50% ramping?
That’s all the dumbness I can think of at the moment, but sure would like to know what this is all about.
Thank You, I will wait patiently until your all through laughing at me, Silly

Keep in mind that this is a new feature. It just came out in NarsilM v1.2 when the GT came out, so officially like 4 or 5 months ago. Lexel just started using NarsilM v1.2 in his drivers maybe 1 month ago.

TA has been messing with NarsilM v1.3. I guess the beta version, right? It’s officially not out yet. Not that I have heard. Tom E has also been MIA recently. He’s the one that is usually tinkering with it and improving it.

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

9 NarsilM user videos for BLF Q8, GT, GT Mini and ROT66

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Hey guys I will begin shipping all of the new orders for the MT09R 70.2 blue and green versions probably Wednesday possibly Thursday of this coming week.

 

For those interested now is the time to get it ordered. Any left not ordered I will be paying for the drivers myself and installing them and the price will go to full retail which is much more than I have them offered for now.

Right now they are marked up just enough that I make a very small profit and cover shipping.

 

I'm happy to sell all of them at the price they are at now. However if he completes the drivers we agreed he would build to cover these 30 units I will have to pay him just like anyone else if they do not all sell. 

 

This light sells for over 200.00 dollars from at least one of the European dealers. I would prefer they sell as opposed to  buying the remaining drivers and installing them. Then marking the price back to retail.

 

Just keeping everyone informed... You can get them cheap right now and for 20 dollars more no other light in the same format comes close to it for the price...

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Just to get technical, do you set it to 50% the amp draw (or what is equivalent to that) or do you set it to 50% of the ramping numbers? I think NarsilM uses 150 steps? Something like that.

I set it to approx 50% duty PWM. So 255 is 100%, and I generally set the ramp to around ~125-130pwm.


Okay.

I guess I confuse people when I say steps. The highest step is about #150 and that is equal to the software number 255 which is full power.

So around ~125-130pwm is about the 75th to 80th step if I remember correctly.

I am trying my best to not get involved into flashing my own drivers or assembling my own drivers. That’s too extreme. Lol

My Convoy L6 thread with XHP70.2, Texas Avenger FET driver, Narsil v1.2 ramping firmware (old), lighted side switch and cut down SMO reflector. Lots of amp draws on stock driver as well. 

My Supfire L5-S thread with XHP70.2, 26350 cells (4,100 lumen!), Texas Avenger FET driver, NarsilM v1.0 ramping firmware and lighted side switch. My mini L6! 

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Just to get technical, do you set it to 50% the amp draw (or what is equivalent to that) or do you set it to 50% of the ramping numbers? I think NarsilM uses 150 steps? Something like that.

I set it to approx 50% duty PWM. So 255 is 100%, and I generally set the ramp to around ~125-130pwm.


Okay.

I guess I confuse people when I say steps. The highest step is about #150 and that is equal to the software number 255 which is full power.

So around ~125-130pwm is about the 75th to 80th step if I remember correctly.

I am trying my best to not get involved into flashing my own drivers or assembling my own drivers. That’s too extreme. Lol

125-130 pwm usually happens to be around the 130th step due to the way the human eye works. I only cut off a very small part of the ramp when I do this.

So small it is unlikely you would actually stop in that part of the ramp as each step must be larger and larger to make the ramp appear smooth to the human eye.

A linear ramp is what the MT09 came with stock and everyone can attest to how horrible that was.

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So let me get this straight…
$120 I get the light and upgraded driver that would hit 22k lumen but I’ll have to mod it myself?
Or do I pay the light and whatever choice you listed in the bottom?

If you prefer to answer in pm I can send you a pm too

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The purchase from Terry is separate from me. You simply tell him you want him to ship it to me if that is what you want. I think he also has some stock drivers he can install if you want that as well and I have a whole bunch of them here if you want one lol.

Far as my price for modding, The driver is $20, the labor for a driver only install is $15 which includes the base $5 fee for work on any light to handle all the time, packing, shipping, order details, messages ect. Then shipping to you naturally. This is $10-12 for most of the US.

You can also install the driver yourself if you want and just have me ship the driver to you, in which case it is $22.90 for the driver shipped to you.

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