Massive sale on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress store!

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wstrachan, I’m pretty sure the batteries are safe to use and of decent quality. They come from inland known (chinese or whatever) cell OEMs, I believe. Like Shenzen Yongdeli (Yodeli) and Chang Jiang FST (can someone find CJ FST’s official website? Thanks). Look at some Chang Jiang FST cells (penta lobe tops found!):


 




Seen some 3350mAh specced cells from them, too. 


Of course pretty sure cells from these OEMs are a lot cheaper. This doesn’t gives them the right to pass them as what they’re not. 


 


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Chang Jiang FST website appears to be this one:

http://www.firstbattery.com/product/

(note: the site is in Chinese though)

http://www.firstbattery.com/product/list-6-cn.html
(some of the 18650s listed here; clicking the battery will display some specifications and discharge graphs for each battery)

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 OH No ..maybe that's why my cells are fake .

 I bought from liitokala  not littokala

 

 Which one has the blonde Chinese girl ?    I forget ...

 

 I wonder if she's a robot  ?

καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν

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 OH No ..maybe that's why my cells are fake .

 I bought from liitokala  not littokala

 

 With one is the blonde chinese girl I forget ?

Elsa PatakyFacepalmDavieLove

 

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Barkuti wrote:

Boaz wrote:

 OH No ..maybe that’s why my cells are fake .


 I bought from liitokala  not littokala


 


 With one is the blonde chinese girl I forget ?


Elsa PatakyFacepalmDavieLove


 


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Are you sure the blonde chinese girl in the photo on Liitokala page is Elsa Pataky? I thought the photo on the wiki link you provided looks vaguely familiar, so I did a few google search. I just realised she is the cop/detective in the Fast & Furious series.

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ssschen wrote:
… Are you sure the blonde chinese girl in the photo on Liitokala page is Elsa Pataky? I thought the photo on the wiki link you provided looks vaguely familiar, so I did a few google search. I just realised she is the cop/detective in the Fast & Furious series.

Elena Neves? 

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Her name is actually Elsa! Lol

Source: #264 post in this same thread

 

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To check if there is common problem I’ve ordered tabbed Panasonic NCR18650B also from VariCore and got completly the same fake cells as from Liitokala, just the sticker was different. Famous folded/wrinkled wrapper was there, too. See the picture: VariCore on the top and original Panny on the bottom.

Note there is different font used, “:” sign is even better positioned, but it’s missing 2D barcode.

Made dicharge test along with original cell at 2A and suprisingly I’ve got higher curve and just bit less capacity at about 3250mA:

Comparing Liitokala and VariCore graphs shows they match very closely and I think they are identical. But which ones???

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Any word about the new Littokala products, the Lii-PD4, Lii-PL4 and Lii-S2?

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Recorded in a single unrehearsed shot to be used as dispute evidence. Sorry for my rough pronunciation. Smile


 


Have fun! 

I just watched your video. After watching your video, I double checked the 4 Samsung 30Q batteries I bought from Banggood last year, and they have 3-lobe top as well.

The 7x “slightly flawed” Green Samsung 25R batteries I bought from Trisky last year on his thread here, also have 3-lobe top. Phew Big Smile

Do you have any opinions on these Black Liitokala 26650 cells from Elsa’s Big Smile Liitokala Office Store – 217753 on AE??? At US$15.88 for a pack of 4 before shipping costs, they are very appealing to me. Most importantly for us poor Aussies, this store will ship these batteries to Australia, at a very good and affordable shipping cost of only US$3.16

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Is there a way to identify a cell from under the wrapper? Maybe we can find out what cells are being re-wrapped?

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long discussion thread Tired

can someone tell me if this is fake or real? im looking to get some soon.

HK LiitoKala Lii-35A 18650 3500mAh 3.7V Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 30A

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Mmm, did not noticed latest updates here. Busy with other matters.

ssschen wrote:
… Do you have any opinions on these Black Liitokala 26650 cells from Elsa's Big Smile Liitokala Office Store - 217753 on AE??? At US$15.88 for a pack of 4 before shipping costs, they are very appealing to me. Most importantly for us poor Aussies, this store will ship these batteries to Australia, at a very good and affordable shipping cost of only US$3.16

I do not think there's any practical way to fake these cells. They're being manufactured by chinese OEM PLB (which at ∅26.7mm wrap included makes 26650 cells a little bit fatter versus other OEMS), thus they're not that expensive to start with. And then, what other OEM is manufacturing a cheaper cell with close enough characteristics and appearance?

Anything is possible, though. Meditate and praise God Big Smile for our cells to be always good.

matg wrote:
Is there a way to identify a cell from under the wrapper? Maybe we can find out what cells are being re-wrapped?

Every cell has its own unique markings in the cylinder, possible it is thus. But we would need some user/reviewer collaboration to map this out.

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long discussion thread Tired

can someone tell me if this is fake or real? im looking to get some soon.

HK LiitoKala Lii-35A 18650 3500mAh 3.7V Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 30A

Check the feedback reports. Bad bad bad… Seems like they are real Big Smile fakes.

I bought a couple Samsung INR18650-35E cells from store 3103064 months ago. Got the real thing.

They are now claiming these are “LiitoKala cells”, beware so. Paying via PayPal may be a good idea in case of not receiving what is described. 

 

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Nicolicous wrote:
long discussion thread Tired

can someone tell me if this is fake or real? im looking to get some soon.

“HK LiitoKala Lii-35A 18650 3500mAh 3.7V Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 30A “:https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/4PCS-100-Original-LiitoKala-Lii...

definitely not NCR18650GA… just received mine…




tried opening one of them, no text or codes at all:

Now I’m measuring the capacity, but I have already opened a dispute (product received different from the pictures):

P.S.
I’ve seen in the user pictures on the aliexpress listing that some people received cells with 4 lobes, which are also something else.

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Barkuti wrote:

Mmm, did not noticed latest updates here. Busy with other matters.


ssschen wrote:
… Do you have any opinions on these Black Liitokala 26650 cells from Elsa’s Big Smile Liitokala Office Store – 217753 on AE??? At US$15.88 for a pack of 4 before shipping costs, they are very appealing to me. Most importantly for us poor Aussies, this store will ship these batteries to Australia, at a very good and affordable shipping cost of only US$3.16

I do not think there’s any practical way to fake these cells. They’re being manufactured by chinese OEM PLB (which at ∅26.7mm wrap included makes 26650 cells a little bit fatter versus other OEMS), thus they’re not that expensive to start with. And then, what other OEM is manufacturing a cheaper cell with close enough characteristics and appearance?


Anything is possible, though. Meditate and praise God Big Smile for our cells to be always good.


matg wrote:
Is there a way to identify a cell from under the wrapper? Maybe we can find out what cells are being re-wrapped?

Every cell has its own unique markings in the cylinder, possible it is thus. But we would need some user/reviewer collaboration to map this out.

Nicolicous wrote:
long discussion thread Tired

can someone tell me if this is fake or real? im looking to get some soon.


HK LiitoKala Lii-35A 18650 3500mAh 3.7V Li-Ion Rechargeable Battery 30A


Check the feedback reports. Bad bad bad… Seems like they are real Big Smile fakes.


I bought a couple Samsung INR18650-35E cells from store 3103064 months ago. Got the real thing.


They are now claiming these are “LiitoKala cells”, beware so. Paying via PayPal may be a good idea in case of not receiving what is described. 


 


Cheers Party

mmh… I’ll wait to see how this dispute end and maybe I’ll do the guinea pig to see if from the other seller they are still sending genuine 35E, actually I wanted a couple of them. From this picture they don’t seem to be fake (3 lobes), but yes, the “for samsung” thing is very suspicious.

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fedcas wrote:


P.S.
I've seen in the user pictures on the aliexpress listing that some people received cells with 4 lobes, which are also something else.

Penta lobe tops. As we were discussing above, probably Chang Jiang FST cells. They have a 3350mAh rated cell, which may perform comparable or quite close to an NCR18650GA (HKJ review).

 

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Penta lobe tops. As we were discussing above, probably Chang Jiang FST cells. They have a 3350mAh rated cell, which may perform comparable or quite close to an NCR18650GA (HKJ review).


 


thanks, but I had already seen the pictures at the top of the page… but honestly I don’t think these cell could match the GA… not even LG matches Sanyo’s GA and Samsung’s 35E… I doubt those much smaller companies will. And in any case they will be much cheaper, I bought this 4 lii cellsl because I had read they were GA…

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@barkuti and fedcas, the 3350mAh cell is a 20650.

FST doesn’t produce any 18650s above 3000mAh from what I know.

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@barkuti and fedcas, the 3350mAh cell is a 20650.

FST doesn’t produce any 18650s above 3000mAh from what I know.

good point! I just noticed that, even if they call it 18650, the specs say D = 20.5 mm… :s

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All of this is a curious situation. No doubt many of us have gotten genuine cells from AliExpress at really affordable prices. However, the swindle level is overall high, and when this happens some of you get bullied by the system and uncooperative sellers. Then there's the feedback system, which kindly takes you to the “submit feedback” page right once you confirm receipt. Submitting feedback right after you receive a package removes product assessment from the rating equation, which is wrong. On top of this, toss in the fellows who receive and measure their cells at higher than specced capacity and then say “Oooh! Nice!”. This is ignorance, of course. 

Just thinking, maybe a non-judgmental related thread in the Commercial Seller's Spot could shed light. I'd love to see some cooperative seller willing to openly guarantee their product and service, even if it is at a somewhat higher cost.

 

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Barkuti wrote:

I bought a couple Samsung INR18650-35E cells from store 3103064 months ago. Got the real thing.

 

Cheers Party

 

Thanks for sharing where you got your Samsung 35E from.  Although the prices are not cheap, but it is good to know that they are genuine.  These must be your feedback??

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Thanks for sharing where you got your Samsung 35E from.  Although the prices are not cheap, but it is good to know that they are genuine.  These must be your feedback??

Yes, that one is. They were genuine without a doubt: without bulges and correct shade of pink wraps, factory cell markings visible through it too, correct cell tops…

The Battery Bro date code lookup tool says the date code isn't right, but of course such tool is a reverse engineered thing not endorsed by Samsung or any other brand.

Maybe not the cheapest price for a good reason. Wink

 

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ssschen wrote:

Thanks for sharing where you got your Samsung 35E from.  Although the prices are not cheap, but it is good to know that they are genuine.  These must be your feedback??




Yes, that one is. They were genuine without a doubt: without bulges and correct shade of pink wraps, factory cell markings visible through it too, correct cell tops…


The Battery Bro date code lookup tool says the date code isn’t right, but of course such tool is a reverse engineered thing not endorsed by Samsung or any other brand.


Maybe not the cheapest price for a good reason. Wink


 


We are waiting for you to try out their VTC6 Big Smile

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We are waiting for you to try out their "VTC6" :D

Sheesh! I'm gonna pass. Wink

The reasoning here is that, since there's no capacity comparable off-brand cell to those of LG, Sanyo/Panasonic or Samsung, it is easy to discharge test prove a “product not as described” dispute for Samsung 35Es, Sanyo GAs or LG MJ1s or M36s.

With regards to VTC6 cells, the game is quite different. Bought once VTC5A cells on sale from Turmera Powerflagship Store (3110015), and their resemblance was reeally good. I later noticed their discharge performance did not matched that of a 30Q cell I had, that there was a mistake in the date code format, and even later and after unwrap I saw their insulator ring was glued. Wrong wrong wrong…

Sony cells are expensive, the profit margin for fakes is high. 

What does all of this has in common? Philistine vapers!

Sorry, until AliExpress can provide the means to defend our rights adequately and properly guarantee the authenticity of its products  I'll buy my high discharge cells from european provider nkon.

 

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I’m impressed!!! no idea how they behave on medium and high discharge current (my Lii-500 charger can discharge at 500 mA maximum), but at 250 mA discharge they performed surprisingly well!




  1. and #4 in particular… #1 and #3 cells scored about 50 mAh less. All at the first cycle (except #3 which was at its second cycle). After a couple more cycles or so, at least 2 cells could perfectly match the GA (at low currents at least)…

Now I’m really wondering what cells they are… by the way here is a genuine NCR18650GA for comparison (with about 5-10 life cycles):

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Mine come from ““liitokala Official Store”:https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/4PCS-100-Original-LiitoKala-Lii-35A-3-7V-... they are definitely not NCR18650GA, but they have 3 lobes post that hides itself under the shrink wrap.




J5H2
626C1
5JA4
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Some people already have tested them, photo by W***a:

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What bothers me most here is that the two predominant “official” liitokala stores first deny, deny, deny and then play word games claiming their cells are consistent with stated capacity but completely ignore the amp discharge concerns. After much hoop-jumping, liitokala people only offer return for refund. The return shipping is cost prohibitive and they know it.
Lastly, the Aliexpress “team” know of all the counterfeits, they would have to know with all the proof but do not side with the buyer.
Aliexpress will never get another dime of my money.

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DominikM wrote:
Mine come from "liitokala Official Store": https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4PCS-100-Original-LiitoKala-Lii-35A-3-7V-3500mAh-NCR18650GA-10A-Discharging-Rechargeable-Batteries-For-Sanyo/32810182330.html they are definitely not NCR18650GA, but they have 3 lobes post that hides itself under the shrink wrap.

J5H2

626C1

JA4

B05

Some people already have tested them, photo by W***a:

These could be expired Big Smile  Samsung INR18650-32E cells.

 

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Barkuti wrote:

These could be expired Big Smile  Samsung INR18650-32E cells.

I think so – this post shape and height it’s quite characteristic for Samsung cells.
But they are not 35E Crying

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I had this same problem weeks ago with a similar purchase. Bought a 4-pack of Samsung 25R cells, received a pack of fake green wrapped cells which scored higher and more inconsistent capacities than genuine 25R cells:

 

 

I later measured their DC IR and got 35.4mΩ on average, which is close to 50% higher figure compared to that of genuine 25R cells.

The fake cells' top was also tri-lobed, but with a different geometry, bulged and different shade of green wraps, etc. The AliExpress Case Management Team 'Tards Big Smile did not recognized the cells as different, but the capacity test was enough to back up my “product not as described” for half refund claim. 

Believe it or not, doing this matters. It matters because this actually makes the seller lose money and puts the AE Case Management Team on guard over them.

 

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So are there any sellers on AliExpress selling genuine batteries?

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roughrider wrote:
So are there any sellers on AliExpress selling genuine batteries?

Maybe, roughrider.

This is a question who may be better answered in the Commercial Sellers' Spot.

 

 

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