Massive sale on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress store!

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From previous orders I’ve made from the liitokala official store, the 30Qs looked original, capacity tested in spec, and current measured under spec on my Emisar D4, but could be my DMM. The lii-35A were not sanyo GAs, likely sammy 35Es, looked original, capacity and current measured in spec

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Yes mine also checked 47gr from IMR. Yet I too take chances, just ordered 4 from BG that are suppose to be 48gr, so to each his own. These say 48gr......... https://www.orbtronic.com/samsung-18650-30Q-3000mah-15a-high-drain-battery-flat-top .............  

Nine of the Samsung 30Q 18650 Battery 3000mAh INR18650-30Q Rechargeable Flat Top batteries I purchased from Orbtronics in recent months weight between 46.03 gm and 46.16 gm. The average weight of all nine batteries is 46.09 gm. The scale I used is a recently calibrated AWS-100 that claims 0.01g accuracy. 

BTW, the positive nodes on all nine batteries have three wings as shown in this image borrowed from MtElectronics:

 Based on what I have learned on this forum, I will examine the six 30Q batteries en-route from the Liitokala Factory Store very carefully! Thanks.

 

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I’ve bought Liitokala Sony VTC6’s earlier this year, and they check out as genuine from every physical and capacity test I know. But I think they were around $5 or $6 each, so maybe they recently changed to a cheaper supplier that is providing them fakes. I doubt the Official (with a O, not a 0) Store is intentionally selling fakes, they may just not realize it.

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Or perhaps they are selling at cost. Who really knows?

If shipping was reasonable to other countries then the US, I would’ve bought some first, then testing them at high discharge rates and capacity.

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Why not just sign up for Alipay? I know it’s not as good as Paypal, but at least you’re not messing around with alternative addresses for payment. But if you do use Paypal, make sure it’s a proper payment to a merchant, and not a personal payment.

Credit card info/numbers are not given to the merchant, only to Paypal, then Paypal pays the merchant. Does Alipay do the same?

In theory, yes. Alipay holds your payment, and doesn’t release it to the seller until you receive your item.

However, since Ali is a Chinese company, I don’t consider it as safe as Paypal. I only use it because it seems safer than Paypal-ing an individual. And, it’s free, whereas I think the sellers on Ali charge you to use Paypal?

But if you’re covered the same way if you send the payment to an individual, and you don’t mind paying the extra couple of bucks, then it sounds like Paypal works fine. For this deal, I’d definitely want some security if the batteries turn out to be fake.

I don’t expect they’re fakes, but perhaps they’re bottom-tier cells that can’t be used in battery packs? There’s got to be a reason why they’re half the price they normally are.


I had only good experience with AliPay. Many troubles settled, some complex, I always won.
So…if we can find any proof of wrongdoing, we have a good chance of ending up with cells that are bad, but free.
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Sooooooo, where are we now? Anymore links with authentic cells @ attractive prices in Aliexpress?

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Shipping cost for 6pcs 30Q costs $22.11 to my country… kills the deal. Sad

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Shipping cost for 6pcs 30Q costs $22.11 to my country… kills the deal. Sad

…and those 30q’s are 4-spoke positive ends, while the original only has 3.

Even if the shipping is free, it’s still scary.

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tatasal wrote:
Sooooooo, where are we now? Anymore links with authentic cells @ attractive prices in Aliexpress?

Since about a year ago, my supplier

https://sunway.aliexpress.com/store/3173029

I bought him some batches 30Q and 35E

Sorry for my bad English (gogole transtorla)

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g_sintornillos wrote:
tatasal wrote:
Sooooooo, where are we now? Anymore links with authentic cells @ attractive prices in Aliexpress?

Since about a year ago, my supplier

https://sunway.aliexpress.com/store/3173029

I bought him some batches 30Q and 35E

Yes, I bought Sony VTC6’s from that store earlier this year, and they’re genuine. Very slow shipping time, but I still recommend them. My latest bunch of cells I got from Illum in the US. A bit more expensive, but shipping was only about a week (though it cost $15).

However, that assumes the Littokala brand hasn’t started getting fakes, as it seems they may be from the other stores that are selling 30Q’s very cheap.

If it turns out the Sunway Store is still selling genuine cells, I might get some more. But at this point, I’ll wait to see if the fakes are a wide-spread problem. The 4-prong picture of 30Q’s on the Littokala Official Store definitely doesn’t give me a good feeling, and they’re supposed to be a reputable store.

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Mmmkay fellows, I have a feeling some of you may still “blindly” believe in whatever you're told as long as reasons, and reasons are rooted in your beliefs, which can be empowering… or not.

Well, as I am the law light, let me show you the only AliExpress shop I consider “official” and why: this is AliExpress store number 217753, and it is because in LiitoKala's official chinese website if you click/tap on the LiitoKala® banner at the bottom left of the page you're redirected there. I understand that store may be one of the most regarded ones, but this is no guarantee of a fair product. I can link you reports of fake Lii-35A cells bought there (maybe LG F1L cells, reports of 4-lobe tops and capacity only somewhat above 3Ah).

Oh! Did you noticed the most prominent ad in the store?

I'll “contact” you baby!  

 

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Barkuti wrote:

Oh! Did you noticed the most prominent ad in the store?



I’ll “contact” you baby!  



Lol. Looks like the batteries aren’t the only fake thing in that store!

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/young-beautiful-woman-headphone...

Stock model photo!

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I have bought there before, mostly the LiitoKala 26650s with good experiences. for 18650s, I have bought the Sony VTC6s and they were genuine. Recently I bought 8 Samsung 30Qs, 8 Pan NCR18650B flat-tops and 6 Sony VTC5s. I will report on them when they arrive but I am optimistic based on past dealings. The prices are excellent with free shipping to the US. Delivery time is always slow but that’s to be expected.

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I have purchased bad 18650 cells before that were claimed “Authentic” on a different website. When I opened them, there was nothing on the wrap to identify them. They looked exactly like Authentic batteries and weighed 2mg light. They only held 1850mah, so I requested a refund and returned them. So I lost time in this process. I am certain the batteries were in fact “Authentic”, but in a production environment you get scrap parts. These batteries were most likely defective and were being sold, not up to par. It’s your dollar, your choice, I was only bringing that to your attention.

For the ones here who are so positive these are good batteries trying to sell them, maybe they could offer to buy them from you if they turn out to be defective ……………

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Samsung specs the 30Q as “48.0g max.” If a cell’s weight is below that, that doesn’t mean it is fake. If a seller says their cells weigh 48g, that may just mean they are quoting the datasheet.

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It's either stevie ray vaughan ... or chicken little or a combination of both ..The sky is crying . Or maybe it's thisguy's cryin' ..the sky is falling.

 

 These guy's is crying,
Can you see the tears roll down the street.
This guy is crying,
Can you see the tears roll down the street.
I've been looking for my battery
And I've been wondering where can they be
I saw a battery early one morning
they was in the mailbox waiting on me
I saw my batteries early one morning
with Mr mailman walking on down the street
You know it hurt me, hurt me so bad
It made my poor meter over-heat
I got a real, real funny feeling
That my baby lily kala she don't love me no more
I got a real, real funny feeling
That my baby Liito.. she don't love me no more
You know these guy's been crying
When you see the amps... only go to four

 

 

 

Fake fake fake .....fake fake fake

 

 

καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν

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I ordered before from all mentioned Liitokala stores on aliexpress (i look which one is cheaper at that time) and always got genuine and quality batteries.
It’s only “trusted” place that will ship batteries to Croatia for reasonable price.

I am talking about at least 100 cells ordered, different models, for me and friends.

Now I have 12pcs 30Q ordered, and I hope this is also good product as before.

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XXX-Man wrote:
I ordered before from all mentioned Liitokala stores on aliexpress (i look which one is cheaper at that time) and always got genuine and quality batteries.
It’s only “trusted” place that will ship batteries to Croatia for reasonable price.

I am talking about at least 100 cells ordered, different models, for me and friends.

Now I have 12pcs 30Q ordered, and I hope this is also good product as before.

Yes, I don’t think there are valid complaints about fakes from the good stores in the past. I have received genuine cells as well. The issue seems to be that the stores are now showing a picture of a 30Q cell with 4 prongs on the positive terminal, which indicates they are fake.

I guess there are 3 possible explanations:

1. They are fake.

2. The picture is wrong, but the actual cells have 3 prongs and are genuine.

3. Samsung has a production facility that is now making 30Q’s with 4 prongs.

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On cells in first post link I see only 3 prongs Smile

We will see Smile

If someone ordered from other store with 4 prongs picture, let us know what you got.

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looks fantastic.. My problem is the samsung 30 Q doesnt work in my newer zebralights.
I mean, if I tighten the cap HARD, the tail cap makes contact , but it’s a lot different than the one sanyo cell I have.

You can see the samsung is a mm taller or so.. I need to start rolling into cells that work in all lights..regardless of length.
It’s a pain have light specific cells

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justanotherguy wrote:
looks fantastic.. My problem is the samsung 30 Q doesnt work in my newer zebralights.
I mean, if I tighten the cap HARD, the tail cap makes contact , but it’s a lot different than the one sanyo cell I have.

You can see the samsung is a mm taller or so.. I need to start rolling into cells that work in all lights..regardless of length.
It’s a pain have light specific cells

Are you using a button-top 30Q cell? Because, the flat-top 30Q’s work fine in my latest MkIV Zebralight.

If anything, I’d say the (flat-top) 30Q is slightly shorter than a Sanyo GA or Sony VCT6 (which I also use).

Are you sure your 30Q is genuine?

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They are genuine, I got them with the Q8’s….
I guess they are flat top? They look flat….

google pic

If mine are button top, I am pouncing on this deal then…. Flat tops would pretty be perfect

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Those on your picture are button top.

Q8 needs button top to work.

And you crushed them if I see good…

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ok thanks… I dont think I crushed them.. Only one was tried in the ZL… otherwise all 8 30q go in the Q8 only

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Upper one looks like it is little crushed, but maybe just bad angle of picture.

And I use old low resolution tablet now so I cant really see good.

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ok thanks… I dont think I crushed them.. Only one was tried in the ZL… otherwise all 8 30q go in the Q8 only

You may have crushed the one a little. For a button-top to fit in a Zebralight, you’d have to screw the tailcap down really tight, which would probably dent the positive button top. But it should still work fine in the Q8, since it doesn’t require much of a button to make good contact with the brass ring in the head.

Make sure to only use flat-top unprotected cells in any of the new 18650 Zebralights. Pretty much any good brand should fit, as there’s a little bit of tolerance over 65.0mm, but not much.

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They are a reliable seller. Plenty of guys and gals have bought cells from them, no problems at all.

Button top Samsung 30Qs:
https://www.banggood.com/4PCS-Samsung-INR18650-30Q-3000mAh-Unprotected-B...

From the US:
https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/products/samsung-inr186...


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I ordered 4 x Panasonic NCR18650B end of march for $11.99, free shipping, from https://liitokalahongkong.fr.aliexpress.com/store/217753 and received them last week after almost two month transit time which is quite slow. Whatever i order from china usually gets delivered in two weeks from most vendors including AE various shops.

Cells look genuine and had 3.7-3.8V out of the box. I haven’t tested them further though.

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