Massive fraud on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress stores!

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But some reviewers have tested them before rating them and even provided tests? Actually many of them have done that.

Sorry for being contradictory, I’m just trying to learn. At the end of the day, I always trust you guys more. Like way more.

So often I see reviews that aren’t tech reviews. People give 5 stars because the cell is cheap and arrived quickly in a sturdy package.
Some ad some technical information how great it is that their previous AAA cell was just 700 mAh and the new one 2000 mAh Smile

But you are right some people have tested a certain cell before they ordered at the Liitokala store.
But… those tests are only useful if the (rewrap) they bought is really what they tested before.
And that’s the core topic of this thread; are the cells at Liitokala as advertized? That can only be known by testing.

I can add my personal experience with the official store is good. Runtimes are as expected. But then, I bought only 2 different types of cells, so in no way I’m qualified to claim all cells they sell are great or that types I bought before are still a good deal because a rewrap can contain even a piece of wood Smile

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I like the EBD-M05 device, the fact it can connect to a computer and obtain discharge graphs with adequate software makes it nifty. It would rock for it to have an Android app… 

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Barkuti wrote:

I like the EBD-M05 device, the fact it can connect to a computer and obtain discharge graphs with adequate software makes it nifty. It would rock for it to have an Android app… 

That’s mean!!!
I’m on a buying detox and now you post a gadget to feed my habit Smile
(10A max would make it even better)

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Anyone know if the “147”, “151”, etc., is the date code for 30Qs? Ie, the last line, under “SAMSUNG SDI“.

No, the code format has changed somewhat over the years, but it’s on the metal can itself. See HERE. We also recently discussed this somewhat HERE.

Kewl, tnx! I found that thread last night, didn’t realise it was just on the can and not on the wrapper. Facepalm

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Nismo wrote:
Damn, I bought six 21700 batteries from this seller https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32846442786.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.7...

It actually looked pretty legit, but I doubt the batteries are. Does anyone know where to get proper batteries with international shipping?

I’m not trusting eBay sellers even though their price seem realistic either.

I ordered from that same link a few weeks back , they are not terrible

Not sure id want to try dragging 10C out of them but they seem perfectly happy at 10 or so amps

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I ordered from that same link a few weeks back , they are not terrible

Good to know, they might not be that terrible after all. Might be worth their price.

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oh shit

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ZoomieFan wrote:
Barkuti wrote:

I like the EBD-M05 device, the fact it can connect to a computer and obtain discharge graphs with adequate software makes it nifty. It would rock for it to have an Android app… 


That's mean!!!
I'm on a buying detox and now you post a gadget to feed my habit Smile
(10A max would make it even better)

It is better to focus on things from a depolarized perspective. You must be obtaining tangible benefits from what you call a habit.

But not all habits render benefits (if any), drug addictions being one them. This is because any possible benefits are linked to the detrimental presence of the drug in your body, which is linked to the light-force draining presence of negative entities attached to your subtle bodies. Thus, only via mind-reprogramming it is possible to bring back the benefits without harm.

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I ordered from that same link a few weeks back , they are not terrible


The cells are good, pretty sure some decent standard 2C discharge high capacity cell from some OEM.

Getting good cells isn't the problem, the problem lies in the dubious nature of the rewraps, often with false advertising, and the corresponding lack of information concerning what we are really buying. This is wrong and it has my Seal of Disapproval®.

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I would also add single cells might perform good, but how they would work in series? Quality should be uniform, but we don’t know nothing about it nor we can be certain what we’ll get next time or even in the same batch.

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Your consistency concerns are understandable ledoman. From the standpoint of a battery pack builder, if cell consistency can't be guaranteed all units need to be carefully tested and binned. This takes time and effort which is money. I obtained channel measurement correction indexes for my Lii-500, just in case I were to need it for such role.

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Hmm, “L0J4” on all the cells under the wrap, so acto this

3rd Digit:
A = 2010
B = 2011
C = 2012
D = 2013
E = 2014
F = 2015

4th Digit:
1 = Jan
2 = Feb
3 = Mar
4 = Apr
5 = May
6 = Jun
7 = Jul
8 = Aug
9 = Sep
A = Oct
B = Nov
C = Dec

it’d be April 2019, so not bad at all.

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The links above are for archive purposes. The seller has commited FRAUD and is not trustworthy

He has sold fake Samsung 30Qs, and therefore, he probably sells other fake cells.

The Liitokala Factory store IS FAKE, and is not the real Liitokala Official store.

UPDATE 2!!!

DO NOT BUY ANY 18650s from the Liitokala store, ALL OF THEM!

THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAMES FROM SAMSUNG 30Q TO LIITOKALA 30Q

Sigh. Thanks for the warning in the original post. I came across these “30Q” cells in Ali and actually thought, briefly, that they might be a good deal.

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Yep. Still really salty that they changed the name and photos.

Getting them to give you a refund with that change back in late 2017 made me auite angry.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

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I'd like to make a brief comment here. I often see people complaining that this is fraud and blah blah blah. Well, from their perspective what they're doing is 0K, and to some point it is because they're not selling cells under a trademark they don't own, technically their trademark is LiitoKala. On a shadier note they use big brand cell model numbers, and on an even more shady note “they” wrap their cells making 'em look like cells from the big brands. I do not endorse this but it has its reasons, one of them is they're serving a market of uninformed people who may be thinking they're buying the real deal, and also a market of consumers who don't give a flunk. Bad and bad, and to cap it all the lack of information concerning the industrial products they're selling under the wraps. And it's not only LiitoKala, you know.

For now the best you can do is deal with it, spread knowledge and raise the vibration of those who don't know. The big brands don't give (much of) a flunk about this, their stuff is cut and dried.

Chinese cells can be bought with non or a lot less spurious wraps, see for example this Colaier G35 cells advertisement (looks like some sort of high capacity cell from BAK). 

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That was brief? LOL

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Wellp, that was brief. I could over-analyze the situation, even start blaming here and there but no point, nothing good would come out. Let's en-lighten people, creating for the better. 

People needs to understand the battery market is a lot bigger and more widespread than some may believe. I recently discovered how behemothly sized is PLB's marketWhy U.S. Cities Aren’t Using More Electric Buses @ CITYLAB

China has an incredibly big e-bus market.

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Helo all
I read few pages where not to buy batteries…Has anyone some shop name from EU or Ali, where I will recieve genuine Panasonic for reasonable price.
I recieved fake from Banggood, fastech, liitokala, varicore,… last “NCR18650B 3400mAh” protected from varicore (ali), was less than 3000mAh, the protection cut off at 2V.
Where to buy???

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I’ve been told that these two stores sell genuine batteries. I have an order on the way, so I’ll find out for myself in a few weeks.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1191644?spm=0.8937474.0.0.2cf52e0eIgFK6p

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1382210?spm=0.8937474.0.0.2cf52e0eIgFK6p

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svicar1 wrote:
Helo all I read few pages where not to buy batteries…Has anyone some shop name from EU or Ali, where I will recieve genuine Panasonic for reasonable price. I recieved fake from Banggood, fastech, liitokala, varicore,… last “NCR18650B 3400mAh” protected from varicore (ali), was less than 3000mAh, the protection cut off at 2V. Where to buy???

In the EU, you could try nkon. I haven’t used them myself, but I’ve heard only good things about them, so you should get genuine cells.

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jigsaw wrote:
I’ve been told that these two stores sell genuine batteries. I have an order on the way, so I’ll find out for myself in a few weeks.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1191644?spm=0.8937474.0.0.2cf52e0eIgFK6p

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1382210?spm=0.8937474.0.0.2cf52e0eIgFK6p

ok…great…report if the batteries are like it must be (when you will recieve it)
Thankyou

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nkon.nl is best and proven source for EU customers. I won’t buy from Ali anymore. Se ne splača (it’s not worth it).

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I wondered when I saw the Colaier G35 cells advertisement if that was as good a deal as it appeared. Thanks for commenting on it.
Hm, Colaier also sells the Lii-202 charger for several dollars more than other places that have it marketed under their own brand. Hmmm.

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By the way:

 

Photos from a french fellow review in this sale ad: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32811943155.html

 

Wow! Facepalm He built an e-bike battery pack where he is using a thin wire to carry all the current from each battery stage (up to 30A or more). Creepy! Hope he is fine, really. I would have used ≈5x AWG20 wires or 5x (2 × 0.25) mm² solder wick patches for that same requirement, better safe than sorry. 

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ledoman wrote:
nkon.nl is best and proven source for EU customers. I won’t buy from Ali anymore. Se ne splača (it’s not worth it).

+1
I don’t care of Ali will save me shipping and a few cents on cell price, I go with nkon for peace of mind.
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Looking for a cheap single-cell charger to include with flashlight gifts. Had my eye on the Liitokala Lii-100, but can’t find it from a US supplier.
Does somebody know where to get it in time for Xmas?

Or can you suggest another?
Must have
Less than ten bucks, preferably a lot less.
Single-cell, multi-size.
Lithium or NiMH Charging (I think NiMH capability is important when giving to muggles, a bit of idiot-proofing.)
A charge percentage indicator, not just a red-green light. 25-50-75 percent.
Power bank is a plus, not required.
USB, no wall wart needed.
Deliverable in less than two weeks.

Woke up to this one day…

Good morning OCF&BD,
I’ve created a new disorder for you. OCF&BD
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delusional wrote:
Looking for a cheap single-cell charger to include with flashlight gifts. Had my eye on the Liitokala Lii-100, but can't find it from a US supplier.
Does somebody know where to get it in time for Xmas?

If you wanna gamble, these may arrive on time with ePacket or AliExpress Standard Shipping:

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delusional wrote:
Looking for a cheap single-cell charger to include with flashlight gifts. Had my eye on the Liitokala Lii-100, but can't find it from a US supplier. Does somebody know where to get it in time for Xmas? Or can you suggest another? Must have Less than ten bucks, preferably a lot less. Single-cell, multi-size. Lithium or NiMH Charging (I think NiMH capability is important when giving to muggles, a bit of idiot-proofing.) A charge percentage indicator, not just a red-green light. 25-50-75 percent. Power bank is a plus, not required. USB, no wall wart needed. Deliverable in less than two weeks.

I bought and tested 4 of these. Not for NiMH but good product, great service and close to you too!

And they have name brand 18650s for less than $3!

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I like the idea with a voltage display on a single cell charger.
The multi chemistry feature can also be very useful and the two currents means more battery sizes can be charged at a good rate. It seems that Liitokala is the only one doing this on a single cell charger.
Can insert the battery in either polarity, another unique feature.
It looks like they started in business by selling more complex cell analyzers, and only then moved to regular chargers, and that’s why they continue with the extra features.

However, on further inspection I decided the user interface is too many options to gift to The Muggles. I will give them plain Li-Ion chargers.
I had not yet seen the new S1 charger with digital display. Will get one of those for when I’m traveling light.

Thanks for the help.

Woke up to this one day…

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Since I don’t vape anymore I’m less concerned with a battery blowing up in my face as I once was. I’ve personally bought 8 of these. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888419252.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5...

All tested above 3200 mah and 6 months later have not had any issues with them. These are Chinese batteries. Do I trust Chinese batteries? If they test right and are consistent, then yes I do but hey that’s just me. I trust my wife too, though she could be out blanking sancho every day, I don’t have evidence of it so I’m good. I would buy them again without thinking about it.

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