Massive sale on 18650s in the Littokala Aliexpress store!

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2$/cell could be possible if they had almost no margins and buying the cells in the 10000s, but only if you bought 10 cells, and not 6 and less.

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It’s possible but not realistic a company runs for profit. If the cells are good there not going to just dump them for no profit. Rewrappers have good margins or they wouldnt do it. The parent cell is always cheaper Cells last for years at the factory charge state. And the cells could only be around 2015 at the latest. And the amount of cells they turn over the likelyhood of old stock is even less. There’s really no reason besides dumping fake cells to just give them away. Find me any other example of 30qs in single cells going for 2.50 a cell since their release. Just one.

I just purchased some blue 25 r that are new but 5 years old and they still test around 2600mah lithium cells last for years from the factory. There is no need to dump them because you have a bunch you’d hold and sell them. No for profit business has the customer in mind to basically give products away. I personally don’t believe a rewrapper company has it in the kindness of their heart to lose 2 to 4 dollars profit a cell for their customers. If the cells were 6 7 years old possibly. But even the oldest 30q possible are still just as good as today’s date codes

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This is starting to anger me. This would have never happened if they used a different shipping method for the cells that was way less expensive, like Turkey post, so I could easily get the cells and test them. I would advise buying from the Sunway store instead. If you want to buy 10 cells, they probably have the best prices of 18650s. I got 6x30Qs on promo from them at about 4$/cell. Should have told that deal instead.

Don't sweat it bro.  Everyone knows there is risk with any deal alert.  I have held off on announcing finds only for the deals to disappear before I verified they were legit.  I've also alerted to deals that ended up being scams.  Both situations suck.  I prefer someone announce a deal as early as possible so that members can make their own decision.  Thank you for starting this thread regardless of how this all falls out.  I have purchased 30Q's for $2.50 a couple times on special promotions before.  It wasn't out of the realm of possibility.

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Also, I meant 4$CA, not 4$US. So about 3$US actually.

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I’m also glad that you anounced this deal. I placed my order prior to reading about the 4 leg positive end but I figured it was a gamble. Haven’t put these cells to use yet but hopefully someone that placed an order can do some extensive testing on them so we know their limitations.

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All of the cells I ordered test genuine. Specifically the Samsung batts arrived with 3-pillar button tops and weights are identical to 30q’s I bought from Illumination Supply months ago. I have purchased the following and would do so again from the Aliexpress Liitokala store:
Panasonic NCR18650B flat tops
Samsung 18650-30Qs
Liitokala Li-50A 26650
Sony VTC6
Sony VTC5

Out of these batteries, all markings and positive posts check out.

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Which store? The Liitokala Factory store or Liitokala Official Store?

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Liitokala Official Store in AliExpress

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Oh, you bought at the real store then.

I suggest removing the link to the Factory store in my original post. Who is with me?

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BlueSwordM wrote:
This is starting to anger me. This would have never happened if they used a different shipping method for the cells that was way less expensive, like Turkey post, so I could easily get the cells and test them. I would advise buying from the Sunway store instead. If you want to buy 10 cells, they probably have the best prices of 18650s. I got 6×30Qs on promo from them at about 4$/cell. Should have told that deal instead.

Don’t sweat it bro.  Everyone knows there is risk with any deal alert.  I have held off on announcing finds only for the deals to disappear before I verified they were legit.  I’ve also alerted to deals that ended up being scams.  Both situations suck.  I prefer someone announce a deal as early as possible so that members can make their own decision.  Thank you for starting this thread regardless of how this all falls out.  I have purchased 30Q’s for $2.50 a couple times on special promotions before.  It wasn’t out of the realm of possibility.

I would prefer it be posted too. It’s not your fault if the deal isn’t as good as advertised. But if it is real batteries, we’re all happy. If not we will get money back. No biggie
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The pictures from LiitoKala Original store have now also 4 legs.

Has Samsung something changed?
On the other hand they sell them as Samsnu

LiitoKala 100% original New for Samsnu INR 18650 battery 3.7V 3000mAh INR18650 30Q li-ion Rechargeable Batteries
http://s.aliexpress.com/2yAjYF77

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Speed4goal wrote:
Look at the post above the polar bear, for your answer. And also in my other post I’ve said if this store is in anyway affiliated with the real liitokala store they should be black listed.

That’s what I’m pointing out, nobody in this thread has confirmed they’re affiliated and certainly, nobody has confirmed the “factory” store is genuine and not a fake. There’s no links to the factory store from the Liito Kala site, which suggests that it’s a fake store.

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And if the above post is true. Then it is connected. If the offical store has a picture of a 4 pronged 30q then they are in on it as well. Unless the official store is fake as well. Either way in the end I’ll avoid their products.

That’s a bit of a leap of logic – just because both stores are using the same images, doesn’t mean they’re connected, or that the products in the image are fake – it could be that there’s a different type of genuine Samsung battery which does look like that, even if the items most people have received turn out to be fake.

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I don’t put much of anything past overseas company it seems that PayPal doesn’t have a contract with aliexpress anymore that it’s alipay now. A lot I mean a lot of counterfeits are sold on there. I wouldn’t be surprised if PayPal was tired of the massive amount of claims.

That’s not how it works – different retailers on Aliexpress use different payment methods, some use PayPal and others don’t. The fact the store you bought from doesn’t use PayPal and the official Liito Kala AliExpress store does, may be further evidence the factory store is a fake and isn’t affiliated with Liito Kala.

PayPal won’t care too much about the claims from AliExpress, it still makes it profit, it’s the retailer which loses the money from a claim.

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I’ve had problems with aliexpress before and my bank card. I’ve learned to use a prepaid throw away card when ordering from there. Your bank info isn’t so secure as you would think. Anything is possible it could be fake stores, the company could have sold out to another CEO with different ethics using the name to make money. Who knows what the truth might be. In the end the whole situation sucks for everyone. Best case is refund and keep the cells. Worst case is no refund since product picture was shown beforehand. If they are decent drain cells it’s a learning experience don’t spend money on a deal that’s seems to good to be true unless your willing to lose that money. I almost ordered myself but decided to wait until some orders landed since I already have new cells not being used. Even from China the price just didn’t seem right for the amount of cells. For 100 200 cells but 2.50 a cell for single cells was a red flag. I’d rather pay a extra dollar a cell and know what I’m getting and this event just reinforced that since I almost took the chance as well. China is the counterfeit king of the world with no consequences for it. No morals no sympathy just about money. You don’t see that as much with American or European sellers. And when a rare bad batch comes along they replace the order no questions asked even contacting you about the cells and replacing them. I’ve seen imr and liionwholesale do this. Plus like I said I’d rather spend my money when possible in America and keep some of it here. Even if it’s a little more expensive. I’ll get peace of mind they stand behind their products.

Well yes, it looked too good to be true and it probably was.

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Oh, you bought at the real store then.

I suggest removing the link to the Factory store in my original post. Who is with me?

I would agree, I don’t think it’s good to promote it in any way…

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I think the links should remain so that the history remains intact.  Too many Ali vendors with similar names.  It gets confusing and the links provide a way to verity which vendor.  It might be a good idea to post a warning above the original OP saying some members are reporting that the cells they have received are not the same as advertised in the below links and that we are awaiting more definitive testing results.

 

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Done and done.

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Speed4goal wrote:
… It use to be a reputable company that's not your fault

Let's say you and maybe others too presumed they were reputable.

Advice: extinguish expectations, presumptions, etc.

BlueSwordM wrote:
2$/cell could be possible if they had almost no margins and buying the cells in the 10000s, but only if you bought 10 cells, and not 6 and less.

Do you actually know actual China inland wholesale/trade factory prices for these cells? 

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Liitokala Official Store in AliExpress

As far as my understanding goes, the only univocal identifier for AliExpress stores is their store numberIs store number 217753 the store you are referring to?

AliExpress stores can change their names and I can share proof for you to see: "AM battery Store" Google search

Store number 1721160 first named itself (or as far as I am aware of) as “Colaier Direct Sales Store”, later they changed their name to “AM battery Store” and now they're called “liitokala 0fficial Store”.  All names exactly as I have written them.

ImA4Wheelr wrote:

I think the links should remain so that the history remains intact.  Too many Ali vendors with similar names.  It gets confusing and the links provide a way to verity which vendor.  It might be a good idea to post a warning above the original OP saying some members are reporting that the cells they have received are not the same as advertised in the below links and that we are awaiting more definitive testing results.

Agree, but store numbers and or pure & shitless links. Format: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/STORENUMBER

The “www” can be changed with locale prefixes (es, de, ru, etc.) for translation but please avoid them here. 


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@Barkuti, yes I do.

I have asked companies on Alibaba their prices on their 30Qs and VTC5s, and they quoted me around 2$ if I bought in the 1000s of 10000s.

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Was trying to post a picture but it says I need to have a link for a photo no clue how to do that

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@Barkuti, yes I do.

I have asked companies on Alibaba their prices on their 30Qs and VTC5s, and they quoted me around 2$ if I bought in the 1000s of 10000s.

A 6-pack of 25R cells quoted to me for $12.98/€11.39

 

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So which one is the real LittoKala store? I see these mentioned in this thread.

liitokala 0fficial Store – since this has the number 0 + fficial in the name I assume this isn’t it (store # 1721160)
LiitoKala Official Flagship Store (store number 133859)
liitokala Official Store – lower case name (store number 217753)
liitokala Factory Store – lower case name (store number 725333)

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Update: Edited the "Q30" typos to "30Q."  Thanks!

Used my LiitoKala Lii-500 to analyse the six Q30s  30Qs just received from the AliExpress LiitoKala Factory Store, and got the following results (in mAh):

2935, 2825, 2899, 2962, 2963, 2908 Average = 2915.

They have four fins on the positive end which indicates that they are NOT Samsung Q30s 30Qs.

The results of primitive load tests I did with one of the LiitoKala Q30s 30Qs and a Samsung Q30 30Qs I received from Orbtronics in May is illustrated in the line graph below.  

 

The A6 stayed in Turbo mode for about 35 seconds and then dropped down into High2 for the rest of each minute. After the flashlight was turned off, the battery was removed and its voltage tested.  This was done 66 times for each battery. It took almost two hours to test each battery. 

it seems to me that the Orbtronics Samsung Q30 30Q and LiitoKala Q30 30Q performed about the same in this primitive test. The LiitoKala battery came out a little ahead but this is probably because it was charged to 2935 mAh and the Samsung Q30 30Qwas charged to 2828 mAh. The LiitoKala Q30 30Q will probably not be a bad battery for my application if it holds up to the test of time. 

 

 

 

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@ActiveAI, do you have a way to test high drain cells?

Because there are 10A 3000mAh cells on the market, and they probably used it to fake the 30Qs since not many people have the equipment to test cells, let alone at >10A.

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@ActiveAI, do you have a way to test high drain cells? Because there are 10A 3000mAh cells on the market, and they probably used it to fake the 30Qs since not many people have the equipment to test cells, let alone at >10A.

 Update: Edited the "Q30" typos to "30Q." Thanks!

No sir I don't. I am fairly certain that the max current drawn by the A6 is significantly less than 10 amps so your premise is quite valid. The only thing my test shows is that the LiiKola Q30 30Q can power an A6 flashlight. Perhaps lumen output should be tested to see if it really matches the Samsung Q30 30Q in performance.   

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I don’t mean to be picky, but some people not familiar with these batteries may think you are referring to a battery other than a Samsung 30Q, since you refer to it as a Q30. Just thought I’d mention it.

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BlueSwordM, do you think that the SM8124A Battery Resistance Voltmeter Internal Impedance Meter discussed in this BLF thread could provide the resolution to differentiate between a real Samsung 30Q and a re-wrapped 10 A, 3000 mAh 30Q fake? According to this data sheet, A real 30Q should have an internal impedance of ≤ 26 mΩ. A 30Q fake would have an impedance significantly higher. Right? Thanks! 

 

GreenLights, thanks for pointing out my 30Q typos!

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Got my 6 today:

Doing a NOR TEST on my lii-500. If they come out at ~3Ah, I’m happy.

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@Barkuti, yes I do.

I have asked companies on Alibaba their prices on their 30Qs and VTC5s, and they quoted me around 2$ if I bought in the 1000s of 10000s.


A 6-pack of 25R cells quoted to me for $12.98/€11.39


 


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That doesn’t really apply for newer cells. We were talking above about how cheap over the last year the 25 r has become but it’s been out for several years. 30q and vtc5 came out to the public in 2015 I believe. There’s still a premium price on them and hg2 because that’s what the world is purchasing more then the older cells. The he2 and he4s are coming way down in price as well with the 25r. Even the 20r is down to about 3 dollars a piece now in small quantities

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Doesn’t the lii-500 indicate internal resistance on one of the bays? What does that show for these?

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