My second attempt at the ultimate “cop” belt light… we’re getting closer!

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Still looking -but getting closer with some better ideas...

All you "spamers" from manufacturing companies... please have a read!

My son and some friends are in Law enforcement and are "experimenting" using a small X2000 and other flashlights for their everyday carrying use on their belts. There is a GREAT amount of interest here (I and about 500 police departments and 150,000 officers)...but...we need something better...

So what I want:

Something like this: (perhaps a little smaller)

http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1329

BUT –with an aspheric zooming lens

OR .... something like this SS-A100: (very good on flood to throw) -but that can accommodate a 26650 like the Shadow JM07 as well... with a good sized 30mm glass optic (no bigger)… seems to work well

http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S020028

or this:

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/sky-ray-1200-cree-xml-t6-3mode-floodtothrow-glass-optics-led-flashlight-black-186503aaa-p-8635

The barrel needs to travel like this light...(SS-A100 –I only mention this because we are presently testing this light) - from right close to the led for maximum FLOOD –(when you walk into a room –you want to see everything –wall to wall) -to way out for tight focused hot spot (in this light about 23mm of travel)...The SS-A100 seems to do both these well.

Parameters of what we need:

-High brightness, and long life –which means being able to use an 26650, (like the Shadow JM07) – 18650/18700 –with sleeve, or 3 AAA as back up –we need several hours use on a charge… …(option for second ad on tube for addition battery –if possible?)

-Prefer 3 Run modes – High(1.5-2amps)...VERY low (just for reading)... Stobe... with memory

-Packaged in a small size...120-130mm long (the SS-A100 if there) –similar in style perhaps to the Solarforce L2T (or preferably shorter yet- but thick enough for the 26650) frame

-A Flood to Throw light, with easy SLIDING function...the “push and pull” must work in the design -one hand SLIDING zoom out/in function -your other hand stays free, -can’t be a “tube” as it is too hard to move the head back and forth... -the optics tailor made for the XML (Not -too many “rings” -not just a rehash of some old lens used for XRE’s or XPE’S) –design something that works!

-Rear button on/off –Glow in dark

-High quality for everyday use… BUT -does not have to be super heavy duty… if it is too big, even as big as a c8 size it will not be used as it is not very accommodating for everyday belt carry use.

-Large easy to use threads.. the battery will be changed daily... must still be fine after many changes.

-Of course –water resistant for use in rain... o-rings...

-High quality pouch that fits a 2” belt loop, flashlight goes in and out of pouch easily.

-option to add a small compatible diffuser wand to the head

-be relatively inexpensive… $30 bucks seems reasonable(between the price of the above two lights) , this cannot be an “expensive” flashlight... this is an every officer light so must reflect that in the budget or simply will NOT be purchased

This is NOT the multi cell “beat” light… we are examining them for other purposes… this is the convenient “keep on belt until I need it” –but when and if I do –it will work well for the given situation…

NOW… before I get flamed on this… This may seem like a lot… but really many of the lights currently available have some, but not all of the parameters we need… and are selling in the $20-40 range…some “combination” of the two lights I have mentioned above should seem like a good start… it seems to me –it really can be done… just a matter of design.

Someone do this and a million law enforcement personal and a few other millions like me will snap these up in a second!

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I'm sure you could get it made. It would involve laying down cash but for a large order you would get the price down.

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Well, since the first light you linked was from CN Quality Goods, I guess you probably already looked at and dismissed this light: http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1107

I believe this Yezl meets many of your criteria, and I believe it is higher quality than the "cheap" little zoomers you're already considering and/or evaluating.

I too am creating what I consider to be the "perfect" patrol light that is easily carried on a duty belt. However, I'm focusing on lights that produce combination flood/throw beams (not zoom).

My next host project is: http://www.hkequipment.net/index.php?p=6&sp=&cat2=40&cat1=11&cat0=1&id=513&new=&more=&lang=en&msg=Session%20Expiried!&s= arriving soon from HK Equipment, this light will feature a Cutter U2 1C emitter driven to 3.5A, three mode, and will be able to use 3xAA or 1x18650. I also plan to confirm for myself that 26650, 26500 and/or 22500 batteries can't be made to work in this light.

My other lights that fall into your backup duty belt light that I use include:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-nh-t60-ha-ii-xm-lt60-5-mode-1200-lumen-white-led-flashlight-with-strap-1-x-18650-57005

The UltraFire NH-T60 impresses me most by its relatively small size -- it is only a little bigger than a regular P60 light, but it out throws P60 lights with its powerful flood/throw beam

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/trustfire-ter2-led-5mode-memory-led-flashlight-118650-p-5634

This one is my current favorite, as the TF-R2 takes standard P60 drop-ins that screw into the massive head for great heat dissipation. The aluminum reflector is slightly deeper and wider than a C10-class light. The throw is quite impressive, and the light exhibits a nice flood beam as well. This one is getting a U2 emitter driven at 4.2A regulated in three-mode.

For an "off-the-shelf" back up duty light, I'm very fond of the: http://www.lightmalls.com/rq-07-cree-xml-u2-5-mode-led-flashlight-1-18650 (and the T6 version of this host works just as well). I just happen to like this P60 host over other lights in this class. You should see how E1320's emitters work in this host -- extremely impressive (as his drop-ins always are).

Then there is the flood-to-throw version of the above light, but I don't know about its performance (however it does have a T6): http://www.lightmalls.com/lm-cree-xm-l-t6-zoomable-high-brightness-5-mode-led-flashlight-torch-2-18650

And if I was stuck on wanting a zoom, I'd look at this, probably because I like the clip, which frees the light up for clipping into a pocket rather than being limited to belt carry only. Again, I don't know about performance of this light: http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/202403/210941331-511784552/New-1000-lumens-Adjustable-Focus-Spot-To-Flood-5-Modes-CREE-XML-XM-L-T6-LED.html

This is my 2 cents on flood-to-throw lights. Honestly, I don't like them all that much. I prefer belt-carry patrol lights with U2 emitters driven hard with three-mode operation.

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Thanks Night Breaker…

- you have some great ideas, experience and suggestions…

You are equally on a “high quest” for that “right” light… and if you can find a light that does both flood/throw then of course there would be no reason for a zoomie…

I guess I should have posted a link to my first post:

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/4969

There is a pic there of “my stuff” –just so you know some of what I have experimented with.

Some thoughts…

This is the current “favorite”…the SS-A100 - but still could be driven better and have more run time when it is.. Currently 3.5 hrs… thus the need for the 26650… I have the new 3040mA drivers from Kaidomain on order to see how they go…

The light: http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S020028

The Drivers: http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S020073

If you don’t have one I encourage you to add one to your collection… we are all pretty impressed, especially the wall to wall coverage…it has potentially the ability to not have to “scan” left and right when you enter a room…IF you have enough light… and a good spot as well…(but not both at the same time)… you just “may” be impressed.. Especially if it can be moded to higher output…. The advise was “most of the time” –you will need the light for a 5-20’ distance

-the Yezl T9 although meets many of the specs, is just too bulky for a EDC belt light and was “voted” down

-the Ultrafire C88 does as you say looks promising… I would be interested to see how your mods turn out

-the UltraFire NH-T60 size is nice –although we have tried many of the P60 droppins in the L2T’s and L2P’s we have, including a 2.8Amp U2 solid copper droppin I made, just not enough flood… maybe this T60 could be better?

The TrustFire TE-R2 looks like a great thrower… but most have disregarded the similar C8 size I have already as being too big for an EDC… they actually like the X2000 size best for EDC… but I know I am not going to get what we want in this size.

-The lightmalls RQ-07 I have in a zoomie from here:

http://www.ultraok.com/supper-bright-cree-q5-led-zoomable-adjustable-focus-3-modes-340-lumens-aluminum-alloy-flashlight-torch-rubber-rings_p1972.html?cPath=882_884&zenid=cc04ebd7db44144acf0e14f181e168bc

-Probably the “best” of the small cheap dozen or so zoomies I have

That’s the problem… I have a dozen or so zomies, C8’s, Hs-802, L2P’s P60’s –the closest anything is to suitable is the SS-A100 –all the other cheap zooms are Ok.. just that -OK… but not quite what everyone wants… If we can push the output of the SS-A100 higher… AND get on with the 26650…. It could work out… big IF –right

Let me know some more of your thoughts???

Thanks

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Copper Top, I'm following your threads with great interest. Your "perfect" light is very close to mine, if it ever goes on sale I'd buy several. Home, car, toolbox, spare. The only thing I would suggest is a side switch for ease of operation, perhaps this could be used for mode change, combined with an on/off tail switch? And I'd add a medium setting as well to make four modes, maybe the civilian version, which would run on AA/14500. Just my 2p worth, I know it's not my project.

I too have never understood why manufacturers refuse to simply combine the best features of different models. As you say: "Someone do this and a million law enforcement personal and a few other millions like me will snap these up in a second!" The Sipik 68 doesn't fit your cop-belt criteria, but I cannot fathom why they don't make a three mode version of it. Like your ideal cop-belt torch, it would surely sell an instant million units.

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Hey Coppertop, I’m trying to follow along with what you’re looking for just for fun. Can you repost a short list of what is really important?



The 26650 I’m not familiar with. Is this a thicker 18650. In other words is the idea that you need more capacity than a single 18650?



The requirement for a push/pull…is that absolute or would you consider twist if it could be done with one hand?



Is XM-L a requirement for this light?



This is a backup smaller type light if I understand you so I’m wondering why or if it matters so much what the emitter is. Is this an output issue or a runtime issue or a throw issue or what?



Also, just to make sure I’m following everything what specifically isn’t being met in the AA-A100?



I’m sure you’ve addressed all this but and I have read your post but I’m still a little unclear. Thanks.

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Although I have nothing related with law enforcement I an really interested in this thread as it proposes to give an idea of the real need in the field. Pocket rockets, and lumen beasts many times are just matters of show business. Like I have many lights those I only keep for special occasions, while there are some very well thought ones, lower in max ratings but better in everything.
All I can say to contribute this thread is that I always found a nicely designed reflector light more usable than a push pull. And also, an XPG emitter is usually much better in throw and respective sense of bright while an XML needs much more current for the same throw or much bigger reflectors for this.
All in all, I have a 4sevens Quark S2 that I think is fairly enough for my needs in a tiny package. Maybe carrying a set of extra batteries can be a better deal?

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Hi CopperTop,

Now I have to check out the SS-A100, since you've recommended it so highly.

You own way more than the handful of "good" flashlights I own.

BTW, I completely understand the need for a flashlight that floods an interior room (or lights my path at night, whether indoors or outside) with a very wide and diffused (non-blinding) wall of light. In fact, my "flooder" solution -- an UltraFire P10 (R5) that resides in a Nite Ize swivel holster -- is my most used flashlight when I'm out on patrol.

Lightly modded, my P10 was converted into a flood light by removing the reflector and bezel. Then using gray silicone adhesive I attached the glass lens to the pill's raised rim, and then I screwed the pill all the way forward. Basically, the bare emitter (which is pretty far forward) shines through the lens to emit an extremely large/round and useful curtain of light. The swivel holster always points the light forward, operation is hands free, and turning the light on and off only requires a quick and easy push of the tail switch.The light can be removed from its holster quite easily in case I need to hand-direct the flood light. But honestly, I never have the need to.

This "patrol flood" solution works extremely well for me, and I use it constantly. Previously I used a diffuser on this holstered light, then I tried this this sans reflector/bezel approach, and I found this produces far more light, and the R5 generates little/no heat.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-p10-r5-cree-xr-g-r5-5-mode-350-lumen-memory-led-flashlight-1-18650-42972 (Sky Ray sells this same R5 light as well)

http://www.niteize.com/collections/flashlights/products/lite-holster-stretch

I guess my holstered P10 floodlight frees me up to pursue my fun quest to create what I consider to be the "perfect" patrol light. My criteria mostly matches yours, except for the flood-zoom capability. So I'm creating compact, powerful flashlights that exhibit combination flood/throw beams (wide spill and tight/bright hotspots).This is the light-output characteristic I find most useful for illuminating nighttime areas and activities...

Currently, the best patrol light I own that has the best balance of compact form factor and powerful light output is the UltraFire NH-T60. I wouldn't characterize this light as "better" than traditional P60 hosts. Honestly, output is very similar, except that the slightly larger reflector also produces a tighter/brighter hotspot that enables this light to "outthrow" P60 lights significantly while retaining the same spill area -- all in a compact package that is only slightly bigger than other P60 lights, and which uses a screw-in pill for improved heat dissipation.

To answer your question about the NH-T60; I don't think the NH-T60 would produce more flood than your L2 lights. Probably about the same I'd guess, but I'd bet the NH-T60 would outhrow your L2s quite a bit, and it's only slightly larger

Taking this concept further, I'm excited to see how the Ultrafire C88 will perform modded with a U2 1C (Cutter) emitter and 3.5A H-M-L driver (I might do H-M-strobe on this one). However, this project falls outside the parameters of your project in terms of per-unit cost, as does my next "off the shelf" light I plan to purchase: http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1177

The reason for wanting the "DRY": IMO there is nothing like 3xT6 output for nighttime patrol duty. I have a Sky Ray 3800 (Rev 2) with the screw-in design, and this has proven to be a very solid, reliable and powerful light that produces massive flood, as well as fairly far throw -- by virtue of 3xT6 brute force as opposed to refined reflector size/design.

The problem is the 2x18650 Sky Ray is noticeably present on a duty belt -- not surprising, because to me it falls into the lower echelons of the "searchlight" class of lights. You do grow accustomed to wearing the SR3800 after a few shifts (or perhaps I tolerate the size because of the light's performance). But there's no getting around its bulkiness. Sometimes I'll wear it on a Fri/Sat night, otherwise it is often sits in a cupholder in the vehicle in case I need to grab it real quick. My TF-R2 is quickly becoming my new duty belt "patrol/search" light.

Later on I plan to improve my P10 flooder in terms of performance -- I'm wondering what I would gain by modding this light with an underdriven U2 emitter, but I have no idea what I might gain in terms of light output, and whether I could retain the low-heat characteristics of the R5.

Thinking about upcoming projects and continual improvements is half the fun...

Joe

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Fun read Joe! Very detailed and well thought out.



Regarding the mod for your P10 from XP-G to XM-L (under driver)and heat output…it should be better if I’m understanding you correctly since the XM-L is more efficient than the XP-G and therefore produces more light/less heat at a given output.

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The “Condensed” list of what we need:

-High brightness in flood and throw, and long life (3 plus hours at full)

-Run AAA or AA battery back up (with the most capacity primary)(see below*)

-Prefer 3 Run modes – High..VERY low (just for reading)... Stobe... with memory

-Packaged in a small size...120-130mm long … not too thick.. 40mm max +/-

-Max high power flood… with good throw ability…(see below*)

-One handed operation

-rear On/Off (see below*)

-Large easy to use threads.. for easy battery change.

-High quality pouch that fits a 2” belt loop, flashlight goes in and out of pouch easily.

-Of course –water resistant for use in rain...

-be relatively inexpensive (see below*)

-Does not have to be super heavy duty…just everyday belt carry use

-option to add a small compatible diffuser wand to the head

*I am quite happy to have it run off a 18700 we use.. but NEED at least AAA backup… if we have a long term power outage… we want to still be able to acquire a power source.

About the 26650:

-Because I have stipulated a need to be able to run off AAA as a backup…

AND, if the LED is run at a higher amperage… then runtime becomes an issue…

Seeing as the inside of a typical AAA tube is already 23mm or so… then the natural solution is to bump out each side at least 1.5mm and just use a 26650… currently at 4000 mAh… then you have the ability to use a three battery types (or more)

*Night Breaker had a very good point… IF the same results –Big bright flood AND good throw combined can be achieved in a design that meets the size and other specs… then the “zoomie” feature would not be needed

*The rear button as opposed to the side button is because most people will use this light brought up to eye level with their thumb naturally on the tail button for on/off, that being the case then a sliding zoom would be preferred over a rotating one.

*if it is too expensive then you may find individuals purchasing them –but will never find wide spread departmental use, also –a very expensive light –seldom gets used for fear of breakage or loss, and besides… no real reason from what I see that this should not cost about $30

*the type of LED is immaterial… except from my experience the XM-L seems to stand the best chance of achieving these goals…the XM-L has the most efficiency per watt for our purposes…I know… I know.. I hear it all the time… you can’t get the throw with an XM-L…I don’t need a SUPER thrower… just a good one… I know we are not going to get –Maximum throw out of an XM-l –but I have been told that in a situation where great throw is needed then a small belt light would be impractical anyways and the “big guns” would come out… the multi cell big reflector lights would be brought out –already probably accessible in the larger belt ring if they are carrying one on their “beat”, or available in the car. In other words if we have to place a “weighted” preference - then we want a Fantastic - Most light we can get – Wall of light -Big Flood… But with good throw…rather than a GREAT throw with mediocre flood… make any sense? I plan on purchasing (I have bought too many this month) the SS-A100 in the R5 –just to test out as well. But we are after a SMALL everyday carry multipurpose light.

About the two flashlights I have listed above: -Why I think we need a “combo of the two”

*** I only have the SS-A1000 –so am comparing this to reviews on the JM07

The SS-A100 (a couple pics to follow)

PROS:

The Parts

(edit) I forgot the Triple AAA adapter in the pic

The Nice Big (huge) flood... from 12"...and good throw

-nice compact size

-decent build quality, definitely not your average “zoomie” well worth the $21

-uses full width of lens, great for flood mode

-OK run time for -now -3.5 hours (confirmed)

-great design -23mm travel for the lens… giving Maximum Flood to Focused Throw

-easy to change out star and driver

-runs AAA as well as 18650

CONS:

-while has some pretty good light -still under driven (sorry my multimeter is out on loan…will read when I get it back) –but compared to another T6 zoomie –I know I can about double the output

-when moded out to higher driver 2-2.5A… -heat may be a question, runtime will likely be under 1 hour… thus the need for more capacity

The Shadow JM07 -(really could be any compact XM-l with 26650 capacities here)

Pros

-runs a 26650, 18650 and AAA

-Large pill –looks great for heat sink and moding

Cons

-no zoom… appears to have inferior flood, more a thrower

-a good size, but could still be a little smaller

You can see more of the pill of the JM07 here: (note the sleeve for the 18650 as well)

http://www.intl-outdoor.com/shadow-cree-xml-jm07-1x26650-flashlight-p-234.html

About the P10…It does look good… it sure sounds like we are after more or less the same thing... if the manufatures would only hear us...

- I melted the U2 emitter off the 20mm star in about 15 seconds @ 2.8 amps in a poor heat sinked zoomie I tried…

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I was thinking that an underdriven U2 would work, but I wasn't entirely sure. And I'm still unsure what amp-level would work well in my P10 floodlight. Perhaps 1.7A or 1.4A? I guess we'll have to play around with this to find out for sure...

I'm not an expert on LED technology, although I've learned quite a bit from BLF members, including E1320, who creates my drop-ins and does my mods. Someday I would like to learn how to do all this stuff myself. I'm sure the BLF members will continue to help me in this regard with everyone's expert knowledge and friendly advice...

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Night Breaker… Interesting thought about what you did with your P10…

-if you did this to the SS-A100: because the led sits so close to the lens currently in Flood mode (pulled in real tight) If you took the aspheric out and replaced it with a glass lens…and “foyized” (sanded down the bezel crown a bit -easily done with a belt sander) … you would have a dispersion of all the light over as close to 180 degrees as I think you could possibly get… it would be a great design for something wanting that application, and very easily done... a massive room flood light…maybe worth a try... at least to see how it would compare to your current P10

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Well I got my new 3A driver and very disappointingly it made little difference to my SS-A100

I also got my multimeter finally back and from the tail on High the SS-A100 originally drew a respectable 2.21A (tested on a second light I have now)… not the original 1.2A as had been advertised… had I known I would not likely have done the upgrade.

I still like the SS-A100, but still looking for something better…

On Another note: I just got this in:

http://www.focalprice.com/LFD47B/TANK007_TK736_CREE_Q5_5Mode_230LM_White_WaterResistant_LED_Flashlight_Torch_Black.html

It has replaced my previous favorite in the small cheap zoomie category…(like the X2000) - very well built, triple o-rings for the head movement, nice and small… very smooth, nice brass pill and reflector, clear lens… available in an XML as well (but $10) more.

Thanks for your updates Night Breaker.. please keep me posted please on how your new lights are coming along

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I will.

So far, the C88 E1320 modded for me is real nice. Great thrower. High quality light. Current plans for this C88 light are to test these batteries: http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Capacity-Pre-Charged-Rechargeable-Batteries/dp/B0058GZWXQ/ref=pd_cp__2

with this charger: http://www.amazon.com/Maha-Powerex-MH-C9000-Advanced-Analyzer/dp/B00454YCWY/ref=pd_sim_p_4

I believe my C88 falls outside your parameters in several areas. I like it a lot, and I'm glad I have it, but I don't believe this is the "ultimate patrol light." I do like the versatility of its AA battery usage.

My TF-R2 resides on my duty belt as my current compact patrol/search light. No downsides to this light. But it falls outside your parameters in terms of size. I don't mind it's size, and I like the form factor better than the C88, but your criteria seems to call for a P60-size light.

Current plans for the TF-R2 are to put in a Cutter U2 1C emitter driven at 4.2A, in either H-M-L or H-M-strobe. This light is awesome, takes P60 pills, and it throws. My modding plans also push this light past your criteria in terms of price. I paid $20 for the light with a Q5 LED, but I put in a generic T6 I had laying around, and a custom U2 drop-in will cost about $50.

I ordered http://www.tmart.com/BeamTech-BT4000-CREE-XMT6-18W-2700LM-5-Mode-Flashlight-Gray_p136640.html on 12-11-11, I think the day it was listed. Now I got a message this is backordered. I'm very hopeful about this configuration. Do you own a 3xT6 light? If not, you have to use one on patrol at night to appreciate it. While my SR3800 is uncomfortable on the duty belt, it does sit by my side in a cup holder in the patrol vehicle...

I ordered http://www.dealextreme.com/p/fandyfire-hd2010-cree-xm-l-t6-600lm-5-mode-white-led-flashlight-1-x-18650-107154 and like the TF-R2 this is getting a U2 LED emitter.

However, I'm most curious about getting the BT4000 into my hands for testing. But its $50, $30 over your price criteria. But a 3xT6 and 1x26650 at $50 is well worth it, if you users would be willing to carry it...

I still have yet to order one of these: http://www.lightmalls.com/rq-07-cree-xml-u2-5-mode-led-flashlight-1-18650 I can't help but think your users would find this useful. I use (carry daily) this host with a T6 created by E1320 (Erik). It is a T6 1A (but tint looks like a 1C) driven at 3.1A and H-M-L. Damn near perfect patrol light. Compact, and with Erik's drop-in it actually throws okay. I have a U2 3.1A drop-in I've tested in this host, but Erik's T6 is better. Nonetheless, I'm curious about that U2 version for $20 I linked above...

This is where I stand right now.

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The next thing on my list to look into as well with you… The BT4000… looks exactly ideal… (but with an option for an add on tube for a second 26650)… I don’t think the price on this is too bad actually, the $30 price that I was looking at earlier is for a small pouch light, not really a patrol search light…the belt light would be really an EDC -every person carry … light on the belt 24/7… for those many times you may be in a situation, basement etc… where you want or need that accessory –that you did not think you “would” have needed (or forgot it stuck between the seats) but now have available…with the amount of stuff needing to be fitted on the belt – I have been told –if it is to be there 24/7 it had better be small, (P60 or smaller size) -not something that’s needs taken off or out or it will defeat the purpose and then we go on to the situation of just using the bigger beat light… and this is not meant to replace that…maybe the more I look at the Tank007 736 or the SS-A100 –these will have to foot the bill for now…small and leave it there until you really need it.

The BT4000 would be a different scenario all together…the “real” light… and something I (and some others too) really want to have a look into as well, ( I have been reading some mountain bike forums that are looking for the similar throw/flood light combined as well) I only have some Rebel, XPE and XPG triples, no triple XML’s yet… still holding out for ones like the BT that can accommodate the greater capacity of the 26650…glad I waited… a few friends have commented that a smooth bezel in this size light would be preferred over the slight “tactical” one… I hate to say why –but for the odd time it may be used for other purposes….

I have the Sky Ray SR5 in a T6 –just like the RQ07 and have tried it with my U2 P60 drop in… you are right it is a nice light, but my personal preference is the same drop in the L2T , as I mentioned I have the same in a Q5 zoom aspheric as well, too many options…and it still seems to me in that RQ07 size light that the SS-a100 has far more flood (I really like the “size” of the flood) and a brighter hot spot on zoom (just not at the same time)…than even my U2 P60… it would be nice if you could get one of these sometime and test it out compared to what you have there in your experience to see if rates any better... or could be moded out better, I see that the Tank007 736 is available in a T6 –I may look into this or mod one out and push it up to the 2.5-3A… it has a good heavy pill that should work good, but it seems I am not going to beat the flood of the SS-A100 so maybe not... the wallet is really hurting this month… so we’ll see.

It seems we like a lot of things… but are seeking something just a bit –better… then everyone buy’s into it…

I have two of the C9000 chargers on constant go with 2000mAh duraloops… three kids still at home, 2 Xbox’s, Wii and the like keep it going… great chargers.

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Just an FYI shot... Tank007 736 -second from left.... SS-A100 to the Right of the L2T in Centre... C8 to the right of L2T on right.

Might not seem like a big difference but in a holster on a belt it is significant.

Enjoy...

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Intresting light...lots of questions...

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/5447

Quote from my old thread: "What I want...I can't find the "perfect" light for me."

"So back to my “theory” –about the XML… I believe with the right collimator…55° -I hope as small as 20-37mm to fit the size I would like… coupled with a plano-convex (maybe?) … “could” give us what we want. The Led is fixed with the collimated lens inside the housing and the convex slides from right touching the collimator to maybe about ¾” slide away –where ever the focal plane is, but both collimator and lens have to be optimized and designed to work together. I have many lens and collimators for different LEDs… probably a hundred or so… but only recently did anything with some XML’s jacked into the X2000, and was not inpressed. So I may be way out in left field here…. But… some thought went into it anyways … we’ll see....And... regardless the LED... I still want an L2T sliding zoom!!!"

Seems someone else had similar thoughts...

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What is the light next to (right side) of the SS-A100?

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The one to the right of the SS-A100 is my home made... "Yezl T9"

Has the head off this:

http://www.ultraok.com/newest-version-zoomable-focus-3-modes-cree-led-aluminum-flashlight-torch-400-lumens_p1864.html?cPath=882_884&zenid=7b0389ab89cf77164f6ed9ccf7a398a0

It has the same 38mm lens as the T9 and it seems the zyc10 but is mounted into an X2000 body... it is my single best very tight thrower... tried an XML into it then went back to a XRE Q5

The spot is about 4 time’s brighter and 1/4 the size of the X2000 light ... great for just lightsaber throw

But… the flood is so much smaller… ½ the size... if only the lens could be pulled closer to the led...

Many have talked about this and I have one on order... so slow getting here... this light seems to accomplish the same:

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/small-sun-zyc10s-cree-q5-260lumen-3mode-zooming-glass-optics-led-flashlight-black-18650-p-8459

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Here is another zoomie with what appears to have a good travel flood to zoom , meaning it may have a very big flood as well, -just give us one in a 26650 will ya!

http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/trustfire-z6-cree-xml-t6-1000lumen-5mode-floodtothrow-glass-optics-led-flashlight-battery-charger-box-set-18650-p-8751