[BLF special edition light] new Sofirn AAA twisty with two tints of high CRI Yuji leds for 6 dollar

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Since it seems very unlikely to reach the quantity of 1000, would it be worth asking Fenix to quote a quantity of 100-200 lights? For example, if the 1000 LED order costs $120, and they build 120 lights, that is only an additional $1/light to cover the cost of the LEDs, which I believe most of us would be willing to pay. For sure, Fenix has a cost model for every light they make, and there is a price that they would accept to build 100-200 E01s with Yuji LEDs. Now is that price $100, $50, or $15, I don’t know, but my point is that if the minimum order of 1000 LEDs from Yuji is driving the minimum order of 1000 lights from Fenix, maybe this doesn’t have to be a showstopper since the cost of the LEDs would be a fairly low percentage of the cost of 100-200 lights even @ $15 each.

So what would happen to the remaining 800-900 LEDs? It would be awesome if Fenix shipped a few of the bare LEDs with each light they build, say 9 extra LEDs per light that we could use for projects, although personally I wouldn’t care if Fenix threw them in the trash as long as this project became a reality.

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The Whispering Gallery wrote:
Since it seems very unlikely to reach the quantity of 1000, would it be worth asking Fenix to quote a quantity of 100-200 lights? For example, if the 1000 LED order costs $120, and they build 120 lights, that is only an additional $1/light to cover the cost of the LEDs, which I believe most of us would be willing to pay. For sure, Fenix has a cost model for every light they make, and there is a price that they would accept to build 100-200 E01s with Yuji LEDs. Now is that price $100, $50, or $15, I don’t know, but my point is that if the minimum order of 1000 LEDs from Yuji is driving the minimum order of 1000 lights from Fenix, maybe this doesn’t have to be a showstopper since the cost of the LEDs would be a fairly low percentage of the cost of 100-200 lights even @ $15 each.

So what would happen to the remaining 800-900 LEDs? It would be awesome if Fenix shipped a few of the bare LEDs with each light they build, say 9 extra LEDs per light that we could use for projects, although personally I wouldn’t care if Fenix threw them in the trash as long as this project became a reality.


The minimum order of LED’s is probably not even a factor. The cost of the LED’s is so small. The cost of machining is about half per unit for 1000 vs 100, possibly more depending on their setup.
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the Fenix Minimum Order Quantity is 1000.

nothing to do with the LEDs,

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The Whispering Gallery wrote:
asking Fenix to quote a quantity of 100-200 lights?
not an option
jon_slider wrote:
Fenix told me the minimum order quantity is 1000 units.
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I do not see a 1000 units interest list being generated, it would take a long time and we may not get there at all.

But I do see a 1000 units being sold once they are available for a reasonable price ($15 shipped)

I suggest contacting someone in China to take the risk of order them from Fenix and then sell them. I think of Neal, he may be crazy adventurous enough to do this. Smile

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djozz wrote:
I do not see a 1000 units interest list being generated, it would take a long time and we may not get there at all.

But I do see a 1000 units being sold once they are available for a reasonable price ($15 shipped)

I suggest contacting someone in China to take the risk of order them from Fenix and then sell them. I think of Neal, he may be crazy adventurous enough to do this. Smile

Good idea djozz, something like this may get this get this project going.

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Djozz: great suggestion.
Do you have contact with Neal?

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Djozz: great suggestion.
Do you have contact with Neal?

No, I don’t. He is a member on BLF though (Neal).

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Great idea djozz!

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If these do remain potted, with the existing driver , I will be in for 4. I was able to source a few 3200k Yuji LEDs from a Australian vendor last year. I’ve put them, mostly, in LRI Photon Freedoms, for work cap duty. Doesn’t every flashophile keep a light source in their cap? Really like the warm flood for reading nameplate ratings etc. Keeping positive thoughts for 1000 takers.

![IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/15×4pqr.jpg[/IMG]!

Not to hijack the thread but these LED’s seem to be ideal for upgrading Photon type mini lights like Archibald Tuttle did. Anyone know of a source to buy just a few of these instead of a hundred?

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It is a thousand even, at the moment.

I used to have a small stash of both 3200K and 5600K but resold most of them (for cost price) so I stopped selling to have some leftover.

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djozz wrote:
It is a thousand even, at the moment.

I used to have a small stash of both 3200K and 5600K but resold most of them (for cost price) so I stopped selling to have some leftover.

Wow, 1,000! Wish I could have scored a few of your 5600K’s!

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Gebe wrote:
Not to hijack the thread but these LED’s seem to be ideal for upgrading Photon type mini lights like Archibald Tuttle did. Anyone know of a source to buy just a few of these instead of a hundred?

There have been a couple group buys, but I don’t know of any active right now. I suspect if given long enough, there will be another group buy in the future. The most recent one I know of wrapped up just a few months ago at CPF, give it a while.

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A new twist in the development of this light. I have been in contact with Barry about this, who in the meantime started working for Sofirn, and after some information exchange between us, and him some consultation with Sofirn engineers and some calculations, they are willing to make this light with Yuji leds.

These are the specs that I communicated to him:

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1x AAA battery

one mode

Yuji 5mm led (they come in two colour temperatures, 3200K and 5600K,

both very good leds, I suggest to make both options)

low output is fine, these Yuji leds run at 20mA and 8 lumen

simple twisty switch on/off

very small, like the E01 (I think the Boney is too fat)

still a well-looking design would be nice

cheap to buy (the Boney is under 5 dollar shipped, so 6 dollar max I

guess)

always works!!!

absolutely bomb-proof (i.e. the E01 has the driver filled up with glue)

 

The last two specs are the most important, people will buy this light

for in their pocket, their handbag but also as the ultimate backup

light: small, bomb-proof and no matter what it always works. There are

video’s of torturing the E01 in all possible ways and it keeps working,

that kind of light.

It looks like they are starting with it, that 6 dollar will indeed will be met as the selling price, that both colour temperatures will be made, they are making it as tough as possible and will proof that with some video’ed torture.

In the event that this will stop further effort to work with Fenix, perhaps the interest list of the OP needs adapting (people will drop out and people will want to get in), but it is up to Stef if he wants his thread to go that direction. Sofirn is going to see if a discount for list members will be possible but are at least very much interested how many people are in for the 6 dollar Sofirn AAA twisty with Yuji led.

When design pics are available we will get to see them.

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Amazing!

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I am in!

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Holy smoke, at $6. I am in for 2 5600k

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Perfect! I’ll take 3 in 3200k.

Thanks for the efforts Jos.

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Two 3200K, two 5600K.

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Plan B was to go to another manufacturer if Fenix wouldn’t bite (and the 1000 MOQ+ likely needing to organize our own shipping makes it extremely difficult).

If Sofirn can really make an extremely tough, small, simple light using the Yujis at the lower price point, I think that would be amazing. Bonus points if it comes in pretty colours!

Assuming the spec is met, I’d be in for 3 warm and 2 cool, minimum.

Thanks for the work, Djozz!

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djozz wrote:
A new twist in the development of this light. I have been in contact with Barry about this, who in the meantime started working for Sofirn, and after some information exchange between us, and him some consultation with Sofirn engineers and some calculations, they are willing to make this light with Yuji leds.

These are the specs that I communicated to him:

Quote:
1x AAA battery

one mode

Yuji 5mm led (they come in two colour temperatures, 3200K and 5600K,

both very good leds, I suggest to make both options)

low output is fine, these Yuji leds run at 20mA and 8 lumen

simple twisty switch on/off

very small, like the E01 (I think the Boney is too fat)

still a well-looking design would be nice

cheap to buy (the Boney is under 5 dollar shipped, so 6 dollar max I

guess)

always works!!!

absolutely bomb-proof (i.e. the E01 has the driver filled up with glue)

 

The last two specs are the most important, people will buy this light

for in their pocket, their handbag but also as the ultimate backup

light: small, bomb-proof and no matter what it always works. There are

video’s of torturing the E01 in all possible ways and it keeps working,

that kind of light.

It looks like they are starting with it, that 6 dollar will indeed will be met as the selling price, that both colour temperatures will be made, they are making it as tough as possible and will proof that with some video’ed torture.

In the event that this will stop further effort to work with Fenix, perhaps the interest list of the OP needs adapting (people will drop out and people will want to get in), but it is up to Stef if he wants his thread to go that direction. Sofirn is going to see if a discount for list members will be possible but are at least very much interested how many people are in for the 6 dollar Sofirn AAA twisty with Yuji led.

When design pics are available we will get to see them.

Djozz: I think this is fantastic news!

To summarize:
Plan A: the 1000 pieces minimum order for a special Yuji Fenix E01 is a goal that will be difficult to meet, and would probably take a very long time to generate enough interest.

Plan B: a Sofirn made E01 clone with Yuji led, in both 3200K and 5600K version, and with potted electronics for 6 USD would be amazing. And certainly something I would be very interested in.

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I’d be in for one of each tint, if the resulting product was of comparable quality to an E01.

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I would suggest completely abandon project Fenix E01 and go with Sofirn.

Sofirm is half the price and seems more approachable.

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I second on ditching the fenix idea.

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Personally I think the Sofirn proposal Djozz wrote about is fantastic news.

I myself am interested in the specific combination of a light with the following features:
- 5mm high CRI Yuji led
- potted driver
- AAA battery
- “twisty” light
- low price

Personally, I do not really care if it Fenix or Sofirn is the manufacturer.

This also means that I think it is probably best to close this specific Fenix E01 thread, and open a new Sofirn one.
At least I personally do not see a future in trying to gather a 1000 orders for a special edition E01.

Also I think it is best if the new BLF thread for a Sofirn 5mm high CRI flashligh is coordinated by a team, instead of a single person.
And if we could use some kind of Google Forms solution where people can express their interest through an online form.

So who is willing to actively help with setting up a new BLF thread with the specific focus of creating the best possible AAA twisty bombproof high CRI 5mm led flashlight that will be produced by Sofirn?

Also does somebody know how to set up a team account for a BLF special interest light?

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This is huge news! Is there any chance they can implement the momentary press that some twisty lights have?

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2 of each tint please.

Sofirn is really winning my respect (and cash) with their willingness to build custom lights for us.

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This is huge news! Is there any chance they can implement the momentary press that some twisty lights have?

For $6. I strongly doubt it. Would be nice tho.

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djozz, that is awesome! I’d be in for 4

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