LED test / review - SC5 based Cree LEDs (XP-L HD/HI, XP-G2 / -E2, XM-L2) - WIP!

11 posts / 0 new
Last post
koef3
koef3's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 4 days ago
Joined: 08/28/2017 - 14:04
Posts: 138
Location: Cologne, Germany
LED test / review - SC5 based Cree LEDs (XP-L HD/HI, XP-G2 / -E2, XM-L2) - WIP!

LED test / review
EN

 

 

Cree XLamp XP-L HD, XP-L HI, XP-G2, XP-E2, XM-L2

 

 

XPLAWT-00-0000-0000V5051
XPLAWT-H0-0000-0000V3051
XPGBWT-L1-0000-00L51
XPEBWT-L1-0000-00G51
XMLBWT-00-0000-0000U4051

 

 

 

 

 

In this thread I will present the widely used Cree SC5 based LED emitter line-up (3 V class currently), presented to the public in 2012 to 2014. My goal is to establish a single-post resource for raw data and other important values and measurements of these older LEDs, including the well-known over current diagrams.

If new results are available I'll update this post(s). Luminance results of all emitters shown here will follow soon. Raw data are also available in this post!

 

 

 

XP-L High Density (HD)

 

 

Tj 85 °C / If 1,050 mA unless noted otherwise


Order code: XPLAWT-00-0000-0000V5051


Type: single die (lateral)
Binning: V5 (typ. 460 lm)
Rated voltage: typ. 2.95 V (max. 3.25 V)
Forward current: max. 3,000 mA
Viewing angle: typ. 125° (FWHM)
Thermal resistance: typ. 2.2 °C/W
Junction temp.: max 150 °C

 
The official datasheet can be found here (offficial Cree website, pdf)

 

 

 

 

 

 

XP-L High Intensity (HI)

 

 

Tj 85 °C / If 1,050 mA unless noted otherwise


Order code: XPLAWT-H0-0000-0000V3051


Type: single die (lateral)
Binning: V3 (typ. 420 lm)
Rated voltage: typ. 2.95 V (max. 3.25 V)
Forward current: max. 3,000 mA
Viewing angle: typ. 115° (FWHM)
Thermal resistance: typ. 2.2 °C/W
Junction temp.: max 150 °C



The official datasheet can be found here (offficial Cree website, pdf)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

XP-G2

 

 

Tj 85 °C / If 350 mA unless noted otherwise


Order code: XPGBWT-L1-0000-00L51


Type: single die (lateral)
Binning: S4 (typ. 164 lm)
Rated voltage: typ. 2.8 V (max. 3.15 V)
Forward current: max. 1,500 mA
Viewing angle: typ. 115° (FWHM)
Thermal resistance: typ. 4.0 °C/W
Junction temp.: max 150 °C



The official datasheet can be found here (offficial Cree website, pdf)

 

 

 

 

 

currently only diagram of dedomed XP-G2 S4 is shown here. LED tested here is the 'old' version of XP-G2 in highest bin S4, before production process was changed.

 

 

 

XP-E2

 

 

Tj 85 °C / If 350 mA unless noted otherwise


Order code: XPEBWT-L1-0000-00G51


Type: single die (lateral)
Binning: R4 (typ. 130 lm)
Rated voltage: typ. 2.9 V (max. 3.25 V)
Forward current: max. 1,000 mA
Viewing angle: typ. 110° (FWHM)
Thermal resistance: typ. 9.0 °C/W
Junction temp.: max 150 °C


The official datasheet can be found here (offficial Cree website, pdf)

 

 

 

 

 

 

XM-L2

 

 

Tj 85 °C / If 700 mA unless noted otherwise


Order code: XMLBWT-00-0000-0000U4051

Type: single die (lateral)
Binning: U4 (typ. 340 lm)
Rated voltage: typ. 2.85 V (max. 3.15 V)
Forward current: max. 3,000 mA
Viewing angle: typ. 125° (FWHM)
Thermal resistance: typ. 2.5 °C/W
Junction temp.: max 150 °C


The official datasheet can be found here (offficial Cree website, pdf)

 

 

 

 

at 5,200 mA the test ended due to burnt bonding wires.

 

 

Note: this post is WIP.
Changes may occur at all times, so stay tuned and thanks for reading! Smile

 

 

Greetings, Dominik (aka BLF member koef3)

 

 

Mistakes, suggestions or offers / sponsoring of LEDs which I should test next are best sent via PM.

My LED tests: Cree SC5 based LEDs (WIP!)  ---  Nichia 319AT 83 CRI - Optisolis (3000/5000 K) - Lumileds Luxeon LXML-PWD9 - Luxeon MZ 5700 K (90 CRI, 3 V) - Luxeon V (CSP) 4000 K 70CRI - Luminus SST-40-W (+ dedomed) - Cree XP-L2 (+ High CRI variant) - XHP35 HI - XHP70.2 - CXA1304 COB - OSRAM OSLON Black Flat HWQP - SYNIOS DMLQ31.SGLE UW Q8WP - unknown 5050 LED ---- finished: JAXMAN M8 (Mini C8) HighCRI Triple

Edited by: koef3 on 06/28/2018 - 20:31
koef3
koef3's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 4 days ago
Joined: 08/28/2017 - 14:04
Posts: 138
Location: Cologne, Germany

 

Raw data

Cree XP-L HD/HI, XP-G2, -E2, XM-L2

 

 

XP-L HD V5

 

Amps    lm    Vf

0,20    107    2,77
0,40    216    2,87
0,60    315    2,94
0,80    404    3,00
1,00    495    3,06
1,20    581    3,11
1,40    666    3,16
1,60    749    3,20
1,80    826    3,25
2,00    902    3,29
2,20    977    3,33
2,40    1045    3,36
2,60    1117    3,40
2,80    1183    3,44
3,00    1250    3,47
3,20    1316    3,51
3,40    1376    3,54
3,60    1438    3,57
3,80    1497    3,60
4,00    1553    3,64
4,20    1611    3,67
4,40    1666    3,70
4,60    1719    3,73
4,80    1769    3,76
5,00    1818    3,80
5,20    1864    3,83
5,40    1909    3,86
5,60    1950    3,89
5,80    1988    3,93
6,00    2025    3,96
6,20    2058    4,00
6,40    2093    4,04
6,60    2124    4,08
6,80    2152    4,12
7,00    2177    4,16
7,20    2201    4,21
7,40    2223    4,25
7,60    2246    4,31
7,80    2264    4,39

 

 

XP-L HI V3

 

Amps    lm    Vf
        
0,20    107    2,76
0,40    198    2,85
0,60    288    2,93
0,80    373    2,99
1,00    451    3,05
1,20    528    3,10
1,40    607    3,15
1,60    677    3,20
1,80    746    3,24
2,00    814    3,28
2,20    879    3,32
2,40    945    3,36
2,60    1010    3,40
2,80    1068    3,43
3,00    1127    3,47
3,20    1183    3,50
3,40    1238    3,53
3,60    1295    3,57
3,80    1345    3,60
4,00    1398    3,63
4,20    1445    3,66
4,40    1493    3,69
4,60    1540    3,72
4,80    1583    3,75
5,00    1627    3,78
5,20    1669    3,81
5,40    1711    3,84
5,60    1746    3,87
5,80    1782    3,90
6,00    1818    3,93
6,20    1851    3,96
6,40    1883    3,99
6,60    1909    4,01
6,80    1934    4,04
7,00    1959    4,08
7,20    1983    4,11
7,40    2002    4,15

 

 

XP-G2 S4 (old version, domed)

 

Amps    lm    Vf


0,20    111    2,82
0,40    202    2,94
0,60    288    3,03
0,80    366    3,11
1,00    443    3,18
1,20    512    3,25
1,40    580    3,31
1,60    643    3,36
1,80    703    3,42
2,00    761    3,47
2,20    816    3,51
2,40    869    3,56
2,60    918    3,61
2,80    968    3,65
3,00    1014    3,70
3,20    1057    3,74
3,40    1098    3,78
3,60    1135    3,83
3,80    1172    3,87
4,00    1208    3,91
4,20    1240    3,96
4,40    1269    4,00
4,60    1296    4,04
4,80    1321    4,08
5,00    1342    4,13
5,20    1360    4,17
5,40    1378    4,21
5,60    1390    4,26
5,80    1401    4,31
6,00    1407    4,36
6,20    1409    4,42
6,40    1407    4,48

 

 

XP-G2 S4 (old version, dedomed)

 

Amps    lm    Vf


0,20    89    2,82
0,40    162    2,94
0,60    231    3,03
0,80    296    3,11
1,00    355    3,18
1,20    411    3,25
1,40    465    3,31
1,60    515    3,36
1,80    565    3,42
2,00    609    3,47
2,20    654    3,51
2,40    696    3,56
2,60    738    3,61
2,80    776    3,65
3,00    813    3,70
3,20    847    3,74
3,40    878    3,78
3,60    910    3,83
3,80    939    3,87
4,00    967    3,91
4,20    994    3,95
4,40    1017    4,00
4,60    1039    4,04
4,80    1057    4,08
5,00    1074    4,12
5,20    1090    4,17
5,40    1103    4,21
5,60    1114    4,26
5,80    1123    4,31
6,00    1128    4,36
6,20    1129    4,42
6,40    1128    4,48

 

 

XP-E2 R4

 

Amps    lm    Vf


0,20    94    2,95
0,40    172    3,10
0,60    239    3,20
0,80    294    3,28
1,00    343    3,35
1,20    386    3,42
1,40    422    3,47
1,60    453    3,53
1,80    477    3,57
2,00    495    3,62
2,20    509    3,66
2,40    519    3,70
2,60    523    3,74
2,80    520    3,79
3,00    510    3,83

 

 

XM-L2 U4

 

Amps    lm    Vf


0,20    133    2,75
0,40    248    2,84
0,60    358    2,92
0,80    463    2,99
1,00    561    3,05
1,20    655    3,10
1,40    747    3,16
1,60    837    3,21
1,80    926    3,26
2,00    1009    3,31
2,20    1092    3,36
2,40    1169    3,40
2,60    1248    3,44
2,80    1324    3,49
3,00    1397    3,53
3,20    1470    3,57
3,40    1538    3,62
3,60    1609    3,66
3,80    1677    3,71
4,00    1744    3,75
4,20    1807    3,80
4,40    1867    3,85
4,60    1926    3,90
4,80    1983    3,96
5,00    2033    4,03
5,20    2077    4,10

 

 

As usual, if you create diagrams / comparisons with this data, I would ask you to publish these charts in this topic and also to specify the source of the data used. Smile

My LED tests: Cree SC5 based LEDs (WIP!)  ---  Nichia 319AT 83 CRI - Optisolis (3000/5000 K) - Lumileds Luxeon LXML-PWD9 - Luxeon MZ 5700 K (90 CRI, 3 V) - Luxeon V (CSP) 4000 K 70CRI - Luminus SST-40-W (+ dedomed) - Cree XP-L2 (+ High CRI variant) - XHP35 HI - XHP70.2 - CXA1304 COB - OSRAM OSLON Black Flat HWQP - SYNIOS DMLQ31.SGLE UW Q8WP - unknown 5050 LED ---- finished: JAXMAN M8 (Mini C8) HighCRI Triple

koef3
koef3's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 4 days ago
Joined: 08/28/2017 - 14:04
Posts: 138
Location: Cologne, Germany

<reserved>

My LED tests: Cree SC5 based LEDs (WIP!)  ---  Nichia 319AT 83 CRI - Optisolis (3000/5000 K) - Lumileds Luxeon LXML-PWD9 - Luxeon MZ 5700 K (90 CRI, 3 V) - Luxeon V (CSP) 4000 K 70CRI - Luminus SST-40-W (+ dedomed) - Cree XP-L2 (+ High CRI variant) - XHP35 HI - XHP70.2 - CXA1304 COB - OSRAM OSLON Black Flat HWQP - SYNIOS DMLQ31.SGLE UW Q8WP - unknown 5050 LED ---- finished: JAXMAN M8 (Mini C8) HighCRI Triple

MRsDNF
MRsDNF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 30 min ago
Joined: 12/22/2011 - 21:18
Posts: 12600
Location: A light beam away from the missus in the land of Aus.

Thanks koef3. Info like this is invaluable when modding and building lights. Cheers. Beer

My current and or voltage measurements are only relevent to anything that I measure.

Budget light hobby proudly sponsored by my Mastercard and unknowingly paid for by a hard working wife. 

djozz said "it came with chinese lettering that is chinese to me".

old4570 said "I'm not an expert , so don't suffer from any such technical restrictions".

Old-Lumens. Highly admired and cherished member of Budget Light Forum. 11.5.2011 - 20.12.16. RIP.

 

CRX
CRX's picture
Offline
Last seen: 39 min 49 sec ago
Joined: 04/02/2013 - 15:27
Posts: 3008
Thumbs Up
The_Driver
The_Driver's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 6 min ago
Joined: 10/20/2016 - 05:51
Posts: 1237
Location: Germany

A big thank you, especially for the data of the de-domed XP-G2 S4 2B. Wink

luminarium iaculator
luminarium iaculator's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 52 min ago
Joined: 07/07/2013 - 09:09
Posts: 2174
Location: X

Thank you koef3… Thumbs UpBeer

Modding is making something how you want it to be, not how it comes stock...

Old-Lumens

Barkuti
Barkuti's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 02/19/2014 - 14:46
Posts: 3135
Location: Alhama de Murcia, Spain

Hello! Smile

New high CRI XP-E HEW sightings at Kaidomain. See here.

Any chance for a review? I believe one could make a really interesting aspheric build with 4x of these emitters, particularly if dedomed. Quite appealing for triples too.

Reviewers djozz and Texas_Ace already declined. Crying

 

Cheers Party

koef3
koef3's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 4 days ago
Joined: 08/28/2017 - 14:04
Posts: 138
Location: Cologne, Germany

I'm not sure if these emitters are suitable for clear optics or dedoming.

At first glance they seem to be similar designed to the new Cree platform (XP-G3, XP-L2), with known disadvantages in color uniformity if used in conjunction with clear optics (lenses / reflectors).

Actually after very stressful last weeks I have now some free time to publish some upcoming tests and I could test also these (new?) emitters. I would very happy if someone of you send me some of them (both CCTs) for testing. Smile

My LED tests: Cree SC5 based LEDs (WIP!)  ---  Nichia 319AT 83 CRI - Optisolis (3000/5000 K) - Lumileds Luxeon LXML-PWD9 - Luxeon MZ 5700 K (90 CRI, 3 V) - Luxeon V (CSP) 4000 K 70CRI - Luminus SST-40-W (+ dedomed) - Cree XP-L2 (+ High CRI variant) - XHP35 HI - XHP70.2 - CXA1304 COB - OSRAM OSLON Black Flat HWQP - SYNIOS DMLQ31.SGLE UW Q8WP - unknown 5050 LED ---- finished: JAXMAN M8 (Mini C8) HighCRI Triple

Barkuti
Barkuti's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 02/19/2014 - 14:46
Posts: 3135
Location: Alhama de Murcia, Spain

koef3 wrote:

At first glance they seem to be similar designed to the new Cree platform (XP-G3, XP-L2), with known disadvantages in color uniformity if used in conjunction with clear optics (lenses / reflectors).

Actually after very stressful last weeks I have now some free time to publish some upcoming tests and I could test also these (new?) emitters. I would very happy if someone of you send me some of them (both CCTs) for testing. Smile

Does that mean throw improvement would suck when dedomed? Flat Stare

Some of these emitters are dedoming bitches for a reason or the other. Already killed 3 XHP50As, tried the razor blade plus fine grit sanding method, but the later procedure messes up or kills the bond wires unless you do it slowly and geeeeently. In fact, I believe the sanding thing is sort of unnecessary. 

With regards to getting someone to send you the aforementioned emitters, I can honestly say even that trifle would make me Crying a bit nervous right now. But I'll drop a line somewhere.

 

Thanks and cheers Smile 

koef3
koef3's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 weeks 4 days ago
Joined: 08/28/2017 - 14:04
Posts: 138
Location: Cologne, Germany

Barkuti wrote:
Does that mean throw improvement would suck when dedomed? :|

Unfortunately, it might be so. Unlike earlier SC5 based emitters the mentioned XP-G3 / XP-L2 has a much bigger die size because of sideways lighted LES (light emitting surface) which has a negeative impact at luminance - even in dedomed state. More informations about this here.

From quick look at first (blurry) pictures I would estimate the die size of XP-E HEW could somewhere in the range of dedomed XP-G2 or domed XP-E2, which means 1,7 to 2,4 mm². I don't think that the dedomed XP-E HEW have the same die size of dedomed 'classic' XP-E / XP-E2.

Barkuti wrote:
In fact, I believe the sanding thing is sort of unnecessary. 

I never sanded my emitters after shaving. I used the razor and that's it. Wink (But if possible, I consider the classic 'full' dedoming which is more considerable for maximum luminance and therefore throw.)

Barkuti wrote:
With regards to getting someone to send you the aforementioned emitters

That would be great, thank you! Smile

My LED tests: Cree SC5 based LEDs (WIP!)  ---  Nichia 319AT 83 CRI - Optisolis (3000/5000 K) - Lumileds Luxeon LXML-PWD9 - Luxeon MZ 5700 K (90 CRI, 3 V) - Luxeon V (CSP) 4000 K 70CRI - Luminus SST-40-W (+ dedomed) - Cree XP-L2 (+ High CRI variant) - XHP35 HI - XHP70.2 - CXA1304 COB - OSRAM OSLON Black Flat HWQP - SYNIOS DMLQ31.SGLE UW Q8WP - unknown 5050 LED ---- finished: JAXMAN M8 (Mini C8) HighCRI Triple