The BLF GT70 "Giggle Monster" is here! 7,500lumens, 1,500m throw! Group buy Closed!

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Hmmmm…. that is strange. It worked for me. The Code knocked $20 off the price of the carriers….. making them $28 for a set of two.

Oh yeah, it seems they are just sold in pairs… no singles.

Worked fine for me too, I think that’s an excellent price for a pair a carriers, even if the are in fact different than the ones in the original GT.

What’s the purpose of a spare set of carriers?

Just use it as a spare carriers, or in the future, some machine shop will make a coupler which you can run 12 cells.


Vinh at Skylumen already has adapters available.

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DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html


Hmmm, is the Canadian government tampering with your internet access? Lol

So the website loads up fine? (I guess that’s the problem)

Can you choose the item you want to buy? If so, do the light blue buttons turn dark blue?

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just what I noticed in the GT mini and also seen on the GT conversion kit

Fake Atmel MCU from some chineese distributor

the original BLF GT driver had the orighinal Atmel chips, but someone decided to safe 30 cents or so and sourced fakes

GT mini vs original GT XHP35

it also uses a voltage divider to detect battery voltage, so likely code changes needed to get it work so it cant be just a mistake ordering from wrong source

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DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html

You are having a very strange issue. It works just fine for me.

Firstly I would clear all cache and cookies.

Next try starting your browser with add-on’s disabled (in firefox it is in the help menu).

If that doesn’t work then it would seem to be something with your ISP or DNS settings would be my next guess.

Try flushing your DNS by running :

ipconfig /flushdns

from the windows command prompt.

If that still doesn’t work do you have access to any other internet providers at work, friends house, library ect?

Can you access the plain lumintop site? : http://www.lumintoponline.com/

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JasonWW wrote:
DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html


Hmmm, is the Canadian government tampering with your internet access? Lol

So the website loads up fine? (I guess that’s the problem)

Can you choose the item you want to buy? If so, do the light blue buttons turn dark blue?

The website loads slow, and when it loads i can not select anything or add anything. (the buttons stay grayed out) here is their website as seen in the photo below. (just a blank page with no images or script) I tried two different computers and different browsers, ( chrome & firefox) nothing works.

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Lexel wrote:
just what I noticed in the GT mini and also seen on the GT conversion kit

Fake Atmel MCU from some chineese distributor

the original BLF GT driver had the orighinal Atmel chips, but someone decided to safe 30 cents or so and sourced fakes

GT mini vs original GT XHP35
!{width:70%}http://www.metronixlaser.de/bilder/flashlight/IMG_5594.jpg!

Lumintop is selling these with fake ( or knock-off) chips instead of the real Atmel chips?

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Lexel wrote:
just what I noticed in the GT mini and also seen on the GT conversion kit

Fake Atmel MCU from some chineese distributor

the original BLF GT driver had the orighinal Atmel chips, but someone decided to safe 30 cents or so and sourced fakes

My guess from working with china is not that they so much tried to save a little money but that the supplier sold them fakes as the real thing. China companies rip off other china companies just as readily as anyone else.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html

You are having a very strange issue. It works just fine for me.

Firstly I would clear all cache and cookies.

Next try starting your browser with add-on’s disabled (in firefox it is in the help menu).

If that doesn’t work then it would seem to be something with your ISP or DNS settings would be my next guess.

Try flushing your DNS by running :

ipconfig /flushdns

from the windows command prompt.

If that still doesn’t work do you have access to any other internet providers at work, friends house, library ect?

Can you access the plain lumintop site? : http://www.lumintoponline.com/

Tried two different computers, two different browsers, and two different ISP connections. its near impossible for them all to have the same exact issue. See my post above #1778.

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DBSAR wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html


Hmmm, is the Canadian government tampering with your internet access? Lol

So the website loads up fine? (I guess that’s the problem)

Can you choose the item you want to buy? If so, do the light blue buttons turn dark blue?

The website loads slow, and when it loads i can not select anything or add anything. (the buttons stay grayed out) here is their website as seen in the photo below. (just a blank page with no images or script) I tried two different computers and different browsers, ( chrome & firefox) nothing works.

!{height:800px; width:800px}https://i.imgur.com/E2DU7Sd.jpg!

That does look like some kind of local issue, could be your ISP’s local cache is the problem or who knows what. It is very strange you are the only one reporting the issue though.

And for the record, the lights will not be shipping for at least a weeks, most likely 2 weeks, so there is no major rush.

I would try the things I listed above and see what happens.

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DBSAR wrote:
Lexel wrote:
just what I noticed in the GT mini and also seen on the GT conversion kit

Fake Atmel MCU from some chineese distributor

the original BLF GT driver had the orighinal Atmel chips, but someone decided to safe 30 cents or so and sourced fakes

GT mini vs original GT XHP35
!{width:70%}http://www.metronixlaser.de/bilder/flashlight/IMG_5594.jpg!

Lumintop is selling these with fake ( or knock-off) chips instead of the real Atmel chips?

I highly doubt that they know they are fake, unlike some manufactures lumintop has never complained about the cost of components for their lights, they will simply pay what is needed to get what is needed to make it work. Except in cases where they simply can not source the components at all.

They appear to work fine though, so it is possible that they are “real” but made “off-the-record” which is another common Chinese trick when making products for overseas companies. I am not going to speculate as long as they do the job though.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
Lexel wrote:
just what I noticed in the GT mini and also seen on the GT conversion kit

Fake Atmel MCU from some chineese distributor

the original BLF GT driver had the orighinal Atmel chips, but someone decided to safe 30 cents or so and sourced fakes

My guess from working with china is not that they so much tried to save a little money but that the supplier sold them fakes as the real thing. China companies rip off other china companies just as readily as anyone else.

Fake uses a voltage divider to detect battery voltage on Pin 7 from what I measured with DMM 0.7V and 2 resistors
I removed one of them and it works not sure why the voltage divider is there it increases parasitic drain

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DBSAR wrote:
Texas_Ace wrote:
DBSAR wrote:
- There. Is. nothing. more. frustrating, than having lumintop keep sending me emails to “ try the link again” on their website, but every time it does NOT work. I can not get the add to cart to work or the buy it now to work. at all. I tried two computers, and two different browsers. is there a trick to this?

this link: http://www.lumintoponline.com/lumintop-gt70-conversion-kits-p1523919.html

You are having a very strange issue. It works just fine for me.

Firstly I would clear all cache and cookies.

Next try starting your browser with add-on’s disabled (in firefox it is in the help menu).

If that doesn’t work then it would seem to be something with your ISP or DNS settings would be my next guess.

Try flushing your DNS by running :

ipconfig /flushdns

from the windows command prompt.

If that still doesn’t work do you have access to any other internet providers at work, friends house, library ect?

Can you access the plain lumintop site? : http://www.lumintoponline.com/

Tried two different computers, two different browsers, and two different ISP connections. its near impossible for them all to have the same exact issue. See my post above #1778.

Have you cleared your cache and cookies?

Run the browser with add-on’s disabled?

Flushed your DNS cache?

I did not see these things mentioned before and could effect 2 separate computers if they were used to access the lumintop site before they updated it.

Also can you access the base site? http://www.lumintoponline.com/

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Lexel wrote:
Fake uses a voltage divider to detect battery voltage on Pin 7 from what I measured with DMM 0.7V and 2 resistors if I remove one of them lets see

I don’t understand what this has to do with the MCU?

That is simply how the firmware is setup, to detect the voltage with a voltage divider. They copied the TA drivers that used a voltage divider.

That is just a design choice, not a problem or an indication of an issue.

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Fake uses a voltage divider to detect battery voltage on Pin 7 from what I measured with DMM 0.7V and 2 resistors if I remove one of them lets see

I don’t understand what this has to do with the MCU?

That is simply how the firmware is setup, to detect the voltage with a voltage divider. They copied the TA drivers that used a voltage divider.

That is just a design choice, not a problem or an indication of an issue.

some MCUs need a external divider, this one not as I tested it without resistor

but still bad move to go to some cheap chineese distributor, its not that hard to see it is not original

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Lexel wrote:

some MCUs need a external divider, this one not as I tested it without resistor

but still bad move to go to some cheap chineese distributor, its not that hard to see it is not original

!{width:50%}http://www.metronixlaser.de/bilder/flashlight/IMG_5472.jpg!

As I said, I don’t think they did go with a “cheap chineese distributor”. That is not what they have shown to do in the past, even with some really expensive parts we worked with on another project.

It is very hard for them to see it is not original if they do not have one to compare and the one they get works as it should. I doubt they even see the components before the drivers are delivered. Most of the time the assembly house sources these things and then just delivers the final drivers.

Just ask anyone here to look at a chip by eye with nothing of reference and tell if it is a fake, same thing with lumintop. Heck I could not tell it is a fake without them side by side.

On top of all that, if it does what it is supposed to do, why would they even look? They would just assume that the parts delivered were the parts they ordered. I bet if I looked at the prototype drivers they sent me they would have the same MCU, I didn’t even notice because the MCU worked as intended so why assume that it was not the right one?

While it is not ideal, it works and has not had any issues. Lots of possible explanations, could even just be old stock from 10 years ago with different markings for all we know.

Lastly that is a GT-mini driver, not a GT70 driver. So isn’t this the wrong thread anyways?

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Texas_Ace wrote:

Have you cleared your cache and cookies?

Run the browser with add-on’s disabled?

Flushed your DNS cache?

I did not see these things mentioned before and could effect 2 separate computers if they were used to access the lumintop site before they updated it.

Also can you access the base site? http://www.lumintoponline.com/

I discovered my ISP is blocking their site because it says its an un-secure site.

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DBSAR wrote:
Texas_Ace wrote:

Have you cleared your cache and cookies?

Run the browser with add-on’s disabled?

Flushed your DNS cache?

I did not see these things mentioned before and could effect 2 separate computers if they were used to access the lumintop site before they updated it.

Also can you access the base site? http://www.lumintoponline.com/

I discovered my ISP is blocking their site because it says its an un-secure site.

Yep, that would explain it.

Maybe go to a starbucks or library to use the internet there?

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ok, i logged into the internet using my phone & cell carrier to get it to work. Just curious, is the short tube still available for the GT, and will the conversion GT70 kit still work with a the single battery carrier in the short tube with the GT70 kit? ( not sure if i missed the info on that mentioned before as this tread is huge.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
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Texas_Ace wrote:

Have you cleared your cache and cookies?

Run the browser with add-on’s disabled?

Flushed your DNS cache?

I did not see these things mentioned before and could effect 2 separate computers if they were used to access the lumintop site before they updated it.

Also can you access the base site? http://www.lumintoponline.com/

I discovered my ISP is blocking their site because it says its an un-secure site.

Yep, that would explain it.

Maybe go to a starbucks or library to use the internet there?

I used my phone hot-spot to get the site to load. Smile

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DBSAR wrote:
ok, i logged into the internet using my phone & cell carrier to get it to work. Just curious, is the short tube still available for the GT, and will the conversion GT70 kit still work with a the single battery carrier in the short tube with the GT70 kit? ( not sure if i missed the info on that mentioned before as this tread is huge.

The short tube should be available, I will see if it is out of stock. If it is out of stock you can order it later.

The GT70 will work with 4 cells but the output will be less of course.

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Texas_Ace wrote:
Lexel wrote:

some MCUs need a external divider, this one not as I tested it without resistor

but still bad move to go to some cheap chineese distributor, its not that hard to see it is not original

!{width:50%}http://www.metronixlaser.de/bilder/flashlight/IMG_5472.jpg!

As I said, I don’t think they did go with a “cheap chineese distributor”. That is not what they have shown to do in the past, even with some really expensive parts we worked with on another project.

It is very hard for them to see it is not original if they do not have one to compare and the one they get works as it should. I doubt they even see the components before the drivers are delivered. Most of the time the assembly house sources these things and then just delivers the final drivers.

Just ask anyone here to look at a chip by eye with nothing of reference and tell if it is a fake, same thing with lumintop. Heck I could not tell it is a fake without them side by side.

On top of all that, if it does what it is supposed to do, why would they even look? They would just assume that the parts delivered were the parts they ordered. I bet if I looked at the prototype drivers they sent me they would have the same MCU, I didn’t even notice because the MCU worked as intended so why assume that it was not the right one?

While it is not ideal, it works and has not had any issues. Lots of possible explanations, could even just be old stock from 10 years ago with different markings for all we know.

Lastly that is a GT-mini driver, not a GT70 driver. So isn’t this the wrong thread anyways?

Even the marking has a spelling error
its always been a 20SU code for size and while the fake shows 20U
and there is no MCU that has not the triangle on it

if you google for attiny85-20U we land here
https://shopee.tw/78933626-i.78933626.1368210563

Fireflies had the excact same fake MCU from a chineese distributor and huge programming issues with it
receiving prototypes with it I was also not able to flash it

all Atmel MCUs even the cheap 13A have always markings on the back side

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Texas_Ace wrote:
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ok, i logged into the internet using my phone & cell carrier to get it to work. Just curious, is the short tube still available for the GT, and will the conversion GT70 kit still work with a the single battery carrier in the short tube with the GT70 kit? ( not sure if i missed the info on that mentioned before as this tread is huge.

The short tube should be available, I will see if it is out of stock. If it is out of stock you can order it later.

The GT70 will work with 4 cells but the output will be less of course.

I had completely forgot to order the short tube when it came available as i was going through a family disaster and away out of town during that time i believe, so i missed it. >.<

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Even the marking has a spelling error …Snip…

Seeing as I did not even notice that they were fake since they worked fine and I had no issues, I sure as heck can’t blame them for the same thing.

They do the job, that is all that matters. They also work with the normal Tiny85 Narsil Firmware I sent them. So I am not complaining.

Plus the more I learn about how things really work in China, the more I understand how things like this can happen even with the best of intentions.

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Looks like I didn’t receive the NW email. Can someone send me the info?

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Looks like I didn’t receive the NW email. Can someone send me the info?

Sent

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Same here, I didn’t receive the info email for the NW BLF GT70.

Please send me the info.

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verge wrote:
Same here, I didn’t receive the info email for the NW BLF GT70.

Please send me the info.

Sent

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I ordered a NW kit, too bad I entered my address incorrectly. Not sure if I did it or the website glitched. It ended up being a mix of my billing and shipping addresses. I contacted Lumintop via their message feature with the correct address. I hope it makes it to me lol.

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Thank you Texas_Ace for the information

I just placed my order for the BLF GT70 (NW), 8 batteries, and shoulder strap + lens cover.

The order detail showed a total amount of $290.00 without showing the itemized price for each item.

The $290.00 appears to be the bundle price for the BLF GT70 + 8 batteries + shoulder strap + lens cover.

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Is it to late to order ??

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