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Like I said – my first quad flashlight and actually first with semi-clear optics. The beam is nice and even so not a real-life issue. Was just wondering if it looks simmilar in D4/D4S.

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Well, then I guess the quality of Fireflies flashlight really needs some extra attention as other manufacturers already rised the bar in this price point in the fit and finish department.
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Mine arrived today and I’m in love! This light is way more compact than I could imagine. The fit and finish are perfect and the optics look just as good as my D4.

The output on the Nichia version puts out much more lumens than I could ever need for my application (work). The tint…… absolutely beautiful!

I was waiting for this light to arrive before buying the E07, now that I have this light in hand I’m definitely picking the E07 up.

But, I understand Vinh will be putting Oslons in the E07, so I will likely purchase one from him. Thumbs Up

Also, the button seems fine to me…

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leaftye wrote:
0.4mm is a big difference. I’m measuring right at 22mm with calipers. Maybe later I’ll take a better measurement. I can tell you a 30T has lots of clearance.

Iirc, a shop I was at had a .003 allowance for anodizing, but that difference in 1382 and my measurement is more like 24 thou, or for machinists, it’s a mile. First google result says anodizing is 5 thou thick, so 10 thou total. The difference between colors would be significantly less than that. Maybe he forget to account for anodizing, set the tolerances poorly if at all, didn’t touch off tools, or didn’t measure parts.

Just replacing battery tubes is going to leave some people upset since matching non-black colors from different batches is difficult. It’s going to be expensive for a new company to fix this problem well. That’s the cost of doing a quick rollout after taking shortcuts in development.

It’s looking like these should be 31mm +0.2/- 0.1 in diameter before anodizing, and the length should be 2-3mm longer. That would eliminate all the 18650 and 21700 issues so far.

.003” (76 microns) would be a large tolerance even for mil spec thick hard anodising. More likely 50 microns at most.

Ordinary cosmetic coloured anodising would be no more than 25 microns thick. (that’s just .001”), and probably much thinner, even as thin as 5 microns. And by some early accounts, it is on the thin/soft side.

Then, the rule of thumb is that the anodising thickness is 50:50 build-up vs. reduction of the metal. I.e. if looking at the inside diameter of a tube, even a top-notch mil spec thick hard anodise might result in no more than 76 microns overall reduction, compared with the thinnest cosmetic treatment. That’s an improbable absolute most, and that’s being generous.

https://metalfinishingsltd.co.uk/articles/anodising-dimensions/

0.4mm actual difference ? That’s an order of magnitude worse than even my most worst case 0.07 mm estimate. So no, this theory doesn’t work. It does not explain the large difference in dimensions being reported.

I would suggest that these were two separate batches of tubes, machined slightly differently (I could also speculate why, but am trying to stick to only the facts and data that are beginning to build here, as precise people begin to receive theirs, and maybe post more photos).

Then anodised as separate batches (the colour dying is the second process (followed by the sealing) after the actual anodising, so no reason why a single run of tubes and other pieces etc. could not have all been machined in one run, then run through the treatment process simultaneously, with only the secondary dying and sealing different, as the final steps.

More flexible too, when you are only offering pre-orders, and not sure what the proportion of the two colour choices (nor emitters) will turn out to be.

Initial photos showed a hybrid colour scheme, black head and tail, champagne tube, which would have solved any colour mis-match issues, but turned out not to be popular.

Really not being negative here, just trying to reach out to FF to help them consider some basic stuff, and maybe make a few suggestions to those already with them, or on order.

Isn’t that why FF are offering BLF these first things first, to “kickstart” a run, shake out the bugs, get some revenue, hopefully generate a good buzz ? I’d hope they are in the mood to listen, and learn, and react swiftly, though it might seem a bit overwhelming to them at the moment. If so there could be a great future ahead.

It’s only their second attempt, after all. This is still recoverable.

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Tom Tom wrote:

… This is still recoverable.

Its a 50 dollar flashlight, its not a mercedes. I find that it is a bargain versus what i got and paid for at zebralight. And i love me some zebralight. Acebeam wants 120$ for a 70.2/21700. I really dont understand the problem.

There seems to be a minority here who have really specialized standards who speak loudest and longest and most often and just keep going on about it—and ultimately appear to be the sort that would argue about the color blue.

It might be appropriate in the spirit of objective analysis to preface some of your comments with, “i am really, really fussy. My expectations of a 50$ light is that it be a 100$ light.”

Alot of people seem to be happy with theirs.

Recoverable? You sound like the guy on the corner holding a cardboard square with, “the end is nigh” written on it in sharpie. You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.

Just breathe.

Oh and you apologized to the forum for being a grumpy pants. But as expected not to the individuals whom you chose to vent your angsty negative mental energy on.

Still waiting.

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[/quote]You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.[/quote]

Why is this so stinking funny. I just keep laughing, than reading again, then laughing some more. I’m so immature.

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noboneshotdog wrote:
Mine arrived today and I’m in love! This light is way more compact than I could imagine. The fit and finish are perfect and the optics look just as good as my D4.

The output on the Nichia version puts out much more lumens than I could ever need for my application (work). The tint…… absolutely beautiful!

I was waiting for this light to arrive before buying the E07, now that I have this light in hand I’m definitely picking the E07 up.

But, I understand Vinh will be putting Oslons in the E07, so I will likely purchase one from him. Thumbs Up

Also, the button seems fine to me…

As someone not familiar with Oslons how do they compare to say XPL HI? Lumens?
Throw? Heat? Thanks!

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you make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.
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Why is this so stinking funny. I just keep laughing, than reading again, then laughing some more. I’m so immature.

Youre not immature

Because it -is funny. I laughed too, as i thought of it…As i was typing rational thoughts and common sense into my phone…

—i pictured a wild haired crazy man, in a dark smokey room, banging away hate and fear and desperation into his computer with reckless abandon, and the guys from fireflies were there with a bucket of sardines just slipping them into his skivvies one by one as he grumbled and banged away on the keys. Shaking his head violently. Raising a fist every now and again and shaking it all about, as he beat the hell out of his poor keyboard. As if to say, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!”

And i did it again. Well maybe i am immature as well.

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leaftye wrote:
I’m tempted to cram a 22mm OD copper washer in the tailcap so I can use my 50E without crushing it.

I am already using just that – 23 mm would be a better fit but this works well enough.

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leaftye wrote:

The apologists are back again!

That feels a wee bit perjorative. Almost like you are insulting me. Kind of a wee bit richard-ish, no? It feels like we are no longer friends the way you said that with a sneer—and exclamation. Dont like it bub. Not one bit.

Therefore,

I think you also have fish in your underpants.

My batteries fit fine. You might also consider in the spirit of objective analysis to preface your comments with, “i am also fussy with undiagnosed aspergers, and my social graces are shall we say lacking.”

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Leafeye, I’m with you. There’s a lot of unknowns. It’s not perfect, but I broke the rule, it worked with the awesome Q8. I’ll wait on mine there still on New Jersey!

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leaftye wrote:
Mildlyangryjohnny wrote:
Tom Tom wrote:

… This is still recoverable.

Its a 50 dollar flashlight, its not a mercedes. I find that it is a bargain versus what i got and paid for at zebralight. And i love me some zebralight. Acebeam wants 120$ for a 70.2/21700. I really dont understand the problem.

There seems to be a minority here who have really specialized standards who speak loudest and longest and most often and just keep going on about it—and ultimately appear to be the sort that would argue about the color blue.

It might be appropriate in the spirit of objective analysis to preface some of your comments with, “i am really, really fussy. My expectations of a 50$ light is that it be a 100$ light.”

Alot of people seem to be happy with theirs.

Recoverable? You sound like the guy on the corner holding a cardboard square with, “the end is nigh” written on it in sharpie. You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.

Just breathe.

Oh and you apologized to the forum for being a grumpy pants. But as expected not to the individuals whom you chose to vent your angsty negative mental energy on.

Still waiting.

The apologists are back again!

Expecting unprotected flat top 21700 batteries to fit a 21700 flashlight isn’t a specialized standard. Any flashlight at any price should be able to fit its specified batteries into the battery tube, and then have its tail cap screwed on without crushing the battery. This only works with some 21700’s. That’s quite some logic you got there that it takes a $100 flashlight for it to fit the batteries its made for.

The 50E wasnt even available when this light was being designed IIRC. I think some fault falls on battery producers if the dimensions of cells that should be identical in size are different enough for some to barely fit.

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Tue 50e was well released bro. Go back to bed.

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noboneshotdog wrote:
Mine arrived today and I’m in love! This light is way more compact than I could imagine. The fit and finish are perfect and the optics look just as good as my D4.

The output on the Nichia version puts out much more lumens than I could ever need for my application (work). The tint…… absolutely beautiful!

I was waiting for this light to arrive before buying the E07, now that I have this light in hand I’m definitely picking the E07 up.

But, I understand Vinh will be putting Oslons in the E07, so I will likely purchase one from him. Thumbs Up

Also, the button seems fine to me…

As someone not familiar with Oslons how do they compare to say XPL HI? Lumens?
Throw? Heat? Thanks!


Can someone please answer this fine gentleman. I don’t know the answer. I just know the Oslon is a SUPER THROWER!

Thier ain’t no bones in a hot dog. F. York

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Mildlyangryjohnny wrote:
mildlyangryjohnny wrote:
you make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.
noboneshotdog wrote:
Why is this so stinking funny. I just keep laughing, than reading again, then laughing some more. I’m so immature.

Youre not immature

Because it -is funny. I laughed too, as i thought of it…As i was typing rational thoughts and common sense into my phone…

—i pictured a wild haired crazy man, in a dark smokey room, banging away hate and fear and desperation into his computer with reckless abandon, and the guys from fireflies were there with a bucket of sardines just slipping them into his skivvies one by one as he grumbled and banged away on the keys. Shaking his head violently. Raising a fist every now and again and shaking it all about, as he beat the hell out of his poor keyboard. As if to say, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!”

And i did it again. Well maybe i am immature as well.

Bro, we could be good friends. You are my kind of funny. Thanks for the comic relief. LOL

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leaftye wrote:
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That feels a wee bit perjorative. Almost like you are insulting me. Kind of a wee bit richard-ish, no? It feels like we are no longer friends the way you said that with a sneer—and exclamation. Dont like it bub. Not one bit.

Therefore,

I think you also have fish in your underpants.

My batteries fit fine. You might also consider in the spirit of objective analysis to preface your comments with, “i am also fussy with undiagnosed aspergers, and my social graces are shall we say lacking.”

Yes, the “got mine, screw everyone else” mentality is what you consider social grace.

You still miss the point. Again, and again, and again….I’m fussy. You’ll love this too. I also expect the gasoline nozzle at every gas station to be able to fit into the filler tube of the gasoline tanks of my vehicles. I’m so fussy!

You are wrong about many things. And there have been alot of people who seem to have bought the right batteries, so not a “got mine” scenario.

It is obvious to me you should not have purchased this light until after it has had some bugs worked out. You are to excitable.

As i have mentioned before in all of my apologizing: They have one battery listed on the website under pl47. An lg i think. That one is the one you should have bought—if you needed the light right away. As i have mentioned zebralight only lists under the light they sell the batteries guaranteed to fit. Mtn electronics also lists batteries guaranteed to fit.

Only 1 battery is listed under the pl47. Just the one. Caveat emptor. This is true with all non-walmart flashlights. Derp.

I have alot of flashlights in the 18650 format. I also have alot of 18650 batteries and none of those batteries are the exact same size. Should be 18mmx65mm. Do you think even one of them is that actual size? A 21700 should be 21mmx70mm. I would not expect this to be the case, especially as this appears to be a new format on the heels of tesla packs.

‘Freedom’ went on and on about battery fitment. He was obsessed earlier in this thread—wouldnt stop talking about it—but no one had an answer because no one had a light tj measure. He was right to have concerns, but he needed to wait until we could measure the battery tube. Then you measure the batteries or take a battery manufaturers word or their vendors word that that is the precise size. Assuming every battery made by a manufacturer will also be identical is silly, and to think across brands? There are what 5 major manufacturers and the rest are rewraps. So lg, panasonic, sony, sanyo and samsung are originals any other name is going to be fatter because they rewrapped.

As for your gas nozzle analogy i agree a gas nozzle should fit. It is national/ global infrastructure the whole planet falls apart if it doesnt. Thats why it has a weights and measures sticker on the pump.

You are comparing apples to penguins. Flashlights are not standardized, the batteries most certainly are not stadardized. If you want any battery to fit you should stick with alkaleaks and nimh. I suspect they have to meet certain criteria.

But to take it a step further even within a set cell size you have considerable variance just with chemistry those that require protection Circuits and those that dont. Flat tops button tops and weld tops. Just look at the 18650 cell, look at your own batteries biggest to shortest. Fattest to skinniest. This format has been around and still wildly fluxuates. 21700 only seems to have come to the fore about a year ago. How the hell do you think that will all of a sudden have a weights and measures standardization. Thats just silly.

Then if you are a flashloght maker. Do you pick the longest cell? Shortest cell? To base your tube on? Like my zebras they picked the tiniest cell they could find that pushed at least 10a. To keep those buggers small. So this means bigger batteries may be problematic. This is logic working. You cannot make a standard tube for a battery that does not have a standard size. Too big wont fit in, too small wont engage contacts.

IF THERE WAS NO INFO ON BATTERY SIZE THEN IT WAS NOT YET ESTABLISHED AND IT IS ON YOU TO BUY LIGHT THEN MEASURE LIGHT THEN BUY BATTERY.

this really is simple. You bought your batteries first just like i did—and hoped for the best. But that was a silly and uninformed decision. Now you want fireflies to make you a new battery tube to fit your favorite battery.

Thats absurd. Buy the battery they sell. Or wait too see what people say will fit. Period.

Easy peasy. This is the same throughout the industry.

Not dor nothing, but there was an episode of southpark not to long ago where they poked fun at yelp reviewers. This reminds me of that. In fact i have been singing about boogers and gum as i typed.

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Another thought.

They only have to have 1 battery fit. If other batteries fit that is just swell.

Look at battery operated power tools. Lets take a dewalt 18v li-ion drill. Should makita batteries be expected to fit this drill? OF COURSE NOT. That would be considered silly and rediculous.

Oh no my milwaukee battery wont fit in my bosch drill. And my bosch battery wont fit in metabo. And metabo isnt interchangeable with festool, and kobalt doesnt like ridgid….

Another analogy might be comparing pcs with macs. Everything apple is licensed, software peripherals etc. Designed and licensed to work together. Pc not so much, the advantage of apple is whatever you are able to find branded apple will work together, but not all manufacturers will develop products for your system because of the hoops. Alternatively, pc has all kinds of products made for it but it is an utter jungle of chaos. Driver this compatibility that. More choices but more difficulty getting it to jive.

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I just got my pl47 xpl hi 5000k today. The beam looks great on the white wall and outdoor.. all the 21700 batteries fits perfectly and no rattle..

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leaftye wrote:
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You missed the main point again. My primary desire is that FF succeed.

Well now i’m a bit miffed.

I highly doubt this is your primary desire.

Because when providing critical feedback it is necessary to provide negative “and” positive analysis. You have with others zeroed in on a series of subjective faults and dug a foxhole around it.

How about the candle. The thunderstorm effect.

The coolest feature i have ever seen in a flashlight. If your claimed want is to have fireflies succeed you did not sing praise on what has actually been a good thing, or a bonus feature or anything that will get the rotten taste of leaftye out of their collective minds or the minds of readers of this thread. If your supposed want is to see them succeed you have pooped all over their product publically. And maybe some have decided that this is the venue for that. BUT that is not wanting to see someone succeed that is peeing in their cheerios.

This makes you a narcissist and a liar. If you wanted to focus on fixing their design you should have reached out to them privately. You tom tom and lohtse should have all reached out privately to one another and or fireflies to discuss the problems. Instead of soiling the opinions of people just learning about this company or light.

You chose to stink it up with math and nuanced language to clearly influence people/noobs who may have taken an interest with the light/ company.

you made it about you

I got to be honest with you, i hold people like this in the lowest regard. I make things. I guess i identify with the makers more than the whiny crabby spoiled consumer types. So there is your apologist.

If you wish for them to do well you say the sorts of things you said in this public forum in a private message.

In public, if what you say is true you provide balanced criticism. You preface your arguments properly. There are alot of people who peruse these posts, certainly many do not require the level of specificity, and precision that you do—do not use technical specs the way you do, which would be swayed quite easily by someone who seems expert on the subject. You did nothing to help fireflies. In fact i submit that you did everything in your power to put a boot on their throat.

You can use words to say both sides of the argument without sh!++ng all over them or their product.

So, [for example] if you were looking for them to succeed, you could say it this way:

… for 50$ it is a sound light, the battery i chose to use does not fit well, the manufacturer provides a battery that i chose not to use. I did not design the light so i did not get a vote on which battery will fit, i am diasappointed that not all 21700 batteries will fit this light, it does seem like their aim was to make the light as small as possible though. However i should mention as we know there isnt a standard in place to keep cells a consistent size with a variance as much as 5mm+! Within the same format, at this early date we know of only a few proven to fit and this may be due to a production flaw and sizing of the battery tube. We are looking into it. Keep in mind the 21700 battery is a bit heavier than an 18650—DONOT drop battery into tube as the weight may dent your batteries positive contact if it drops down onto the spring. Instead slide flashlight onto battery. I really like the quality of the beam, although there is an artifact in the lens on my sample and at least 2 others, probably a machining issue (you did say this part!) But it does not affect beam in practice. The color of the beam on my sample is flat out marvelous. I could not test actual lumens but texastoast measured 1800 at turn on. This is to be expected with a 219b 9080 emitter, although it falls short of the 2500lumen listed on their site. In fact some were expecting 1400output based on the s41 so to get to 1800 lumens with this ancient diode is an outstanding accomplishment. It does get hot quick though as expected.the sst20 4000k was tested and shows 2520 lumens at turn on. /edit/: these mentijned are both listed as high 95cri emitters and komekos test of the sst 4000k shows below the bbl line so no green! Also newlumen reports for xpl 5000k at 3930 lumen at turn in which is a little less than advertised but 4000 lumens aint too shabby for a 3.5 inch lite. The size and shape of this diminutive light itself is fun, but i found the “pocket” clip too small to clip over my belt. the color of my sample is consistent but there is some evidence of rough handling that should get ironed out in later production. As this is early into the run. The user interface is simply aces. It does require a bit of commitment though due to the sheer number of things you can tweak. I particularly like the candle effect and thunderstorm, and being able to set floor and ceiling on the ramp function. Word of caution 2 clicks from off gets ramp ceiling. 2 clicks from on gets turbo. Kind of like a high and turbo. Manufacturer ships in muggle mode which is a safety feature you would let a child use—no turbo, so read your manual. Make sure you are using turbo for reals. Hats off to toykeeper, lexel, tom e and fireflies for putting together what has the potential to be a really nifty little light with expected astounding runtimes due largely in part to the new 21700 format batteries, we will try to iron out just what sizes will fit and have been in discussion with ff to provide rhis information on their site. If they get their production issues sorted out this might be one of my favorite picks for 2018, maybe even 2019.

Said all the negative crap with some positive crap. Balanced criticism. No wierd taste in my mouth, now.

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leaftye wrote:
Mildlyangryjohnny wrote:
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… This is still recoverable.

Its a 50 dollar flashlight, its not a mercedes. I find that it is a bargain versus what i got and paid for at zebralight. And i love me some zebralight. Acebeam wants 120$ for a 70.2/21700. I really dont understand the problem.

There seems to be a minority here who have really specialized standards who speak loudest and longest and most often and just keep going on about it—and ultimately appear to be the sort that would argue about the color blue.

It might be appropriate in the spirit of objective analysis to preface some of your comments with, “i am really, really fussy. My expectations of a 50$ light is that it be a 100$ light.”

Alot of people seem to be happy with theirs.

Recoverable? You sound like the guy on the corner holding a cardboard square with, “the end is nigh” written on it in sharpie. You make it sound like they just put fish in your underpants.

Just breathe.

Oh and you apologized to the forum for being a grumpy pants. But as expected not to the individuals whom you chose to vent your angsty negative mental energy on.

Still waiting.

The apologists are back again!

Expecting unprotected flat top 21700 batteries to fit a 21700 flashlight isn’t a specialized standard. Any flashlight at any price should be able to fit its specified batteries into the battery tube, and then have its tail cap screwed on without crushing the battery. This only works with some 21700’s. That’s quite some logic you got there that it takes a $100 flashlight for it to fit the batteries its made for.


I completely agree… This is advertised as a 21700 flashlight not a suitable for some 21700 batteries flashligh!!! I feels like FF just tested with what he had to had and they fit ok so thats fine. Never taking into account slight differences… When I crushed two of my 18650’s people was quite happy to point out the differences based on this, that and the other and then to point out it is a 21700 flashlight after all type comments. SO now another issue comes up relating to 21700 batteries and thats ok… No it’s not. How many in this thread purchased batteries based on othe BLFer’s advise ? and how many will possible find they don’t fit? STOP defending a rather huge mistake that shouldn’t have happened.

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I normally don’t jump in to the middle of keyboard squabbles, but imma take one for the team here.

It’s apparent to me that a couple of you gentlemen need to step away from the thread for a while. Your conversation is getting personal and it’s clogging up the thread with bickering back and fourth. Each of you are warranted your own opinion, no need to continue this rubbish of trying to prove who’s right and who’s wrong.

It’s time to shake hands, drink a beer, and act like men, not girls.

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Coyotehawk wrote:
I normally don’t jump in to the middle of keyboard squabbles, but imma take one for the team here.

It’s apparent to me that a couple of you gentlemen need to step away from the thread for a while. Your conversation is getting personal and it’s clogging up the thread with bickering back and fourth. Each of you are warranted your own opinion, no need to continue this rubbish of trying to prove who’s right and who’s wrong.

It’s time to shake hands, drink a beer, and act like men, not girls.

Thumbs Up Beer I want to be a girl they have more fun Big Smile

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If that’s fussy, then yes, I’m fussy. You’ll love this too. I also expect the gasoline nozzle at every gas station to be able to fit into the filler tube of the gasoline tanks of my vehicles. I’m so fussy! I also expect E27 bulbs to fit into E27 sockets. Fussiness is off the charts!

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I think those analogies are pretty ridiculous. Very different tolerances, ESTABLISHED standards, and the manufacturers of the “male” components follow the standard. For li-ion batteries – especially 21700/20700 from what I’ve seen – none of those are the case.

Yeah, the tube should be bored a bit larger most likely, but if 21700 batteries stuck to what they are supposed to be by name that wouldn’t be an issue.

I’ll hold off any discussion of the actual build quality until mine (ordered the first couple hours of the GB… hopefully no magnet in the tailcap Tired ) shows up.

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Coyotehawk wrote:
I normally don’t jump in to the middle of keyboard squabbles, but imma take one for the team here.

It’s apparent to me that a couple of you gentlemen need to step away from the thread for a while. Your conversation is getting personal and it’s clogging up the thread with bickering back and fourth. Each of you are warranted your own opinion, no need to continue this rubbish of trying to prove who’s right and who’s wrong.

It’s time to shake hands, drink a beer, and act like men, not girls.

I’d say it’s a wise comment but you had to make it sexist and parochial in the very last sentence.
I’d say act a little bit less like a man and more like a human being.
You sound like a reasonable guy, try to rethink that. There’s nothing to be afraid of in women! They do drink beer and even have hands where I come from.

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act like men, not girls.

FWIW, they are acting like men, not women. Aggression is one of the most sexually-dimorphic behavioral / psychological traits, with men having much higher rates of aggression than women.

Coyotehawk wrote:
I normally don’t jump in to the middle of keyboard squabbles, but …

Yeah, people keep escalating conflicts and it kinda turns the whole thread into trash. Sad

It’d help if people would avoid adding fuel to the fire — avoid insults, avoid emotional and moral-emotional language, avoid speculation, and generally try to ignore flame bait instead of responding to it.

As a general guideline, if there’s an argument and we feel like it’s our duty to reply, or if the reply feels satisfying, it’s probably a sign that the reply will only make things worse. De-escalating conflicts is not a satisfying activity.


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I finally recieved my two PL47 ordered on day 1 of the GB. Tracking number never worked and I was going to ask FF in another week why tracking number cant be found.

The PL47 is much smaller than I thought. It is shorter than about every single 18650 lights on the market. I tried over half a dozen 21700 cells and they all fit without any problems except for the Acebeam protected which is too long. But dont think the FET driver would work with protected cells anyways so no point to size the light for something that is not compatible.

The XP-L Hi version is brighter than the D4S. I’m still testing them out while charging up a bunch of cells. Will post more data tomorrow. So far they are real fun to play with and pretty to look at.

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Newlumen wrote:
I just got my pl47 xpl hi 5000k today. The beam looks great on the white wall and outdoor.. all the 21700 batteries fits perfectly and no rattle..

3930 lumen ..
Magnetic tailcap is weak.. it will not stick.

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I wonder if they accidentally sent you one of the lights that had the magnet removed? My magnet works fine.

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The magnet in mine works well. It’s not as strong as the one in my Emisar D4S, but that light has a ridiculously strong magnet- I love it Big Smile

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FWIW, they are acting like men, not women. Aggression is one of the most sexually-dimorphic behavioral / psychological traits, with men having much higher rates of aggression than women.

You’re only saying that because there are NO women in the NFL Big Smile Beer

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