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One more question to all those who received lights already.
Can you see any AR coatings on the glass? I’m pretty sure there is no ’98% AR coating glass lens’ as it stands in the product description. Can’t see any tint shift looking on it at an angle.
Can it be some colourless coating? I’ve only seen purple and yellow coatings on flashlights.

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Not that I can see

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SKV89 wrote:

One thing I just realize last night looking at my numbers is that the PL47 is the BRIGHTEST SINGLE CELL production flashlight in the world (until the E07 comes out). If you think of it this way, it is an even bigger bang for the buck.

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That is pretty impressive.

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Has anyone tried the orange Rofis 21700 protected battery?
Also does anyone know the discharge Amps on that battery? I have a 219b coming and I only own the Rofis and Acebeam 21700s

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Mate, forget about protected 21700 for this flashlight.

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Freedom wrote:
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The following 21700 cells slides easily into both PL47:
unlabeled Samsung 30T
Vapcell 40T
QSO 40T
Vapcell VTC6A
QSO VTC6A
Vapcell NCR21700GA button top
Vapcell NCR21700GA recessed top
Efest LG M50

Only the Acebeam Protected cell is too long to fit but slides in without problem. ******I dont think the FET driver would work with protected cells anyways so no point for FF to size the light for something that is not compatible, although I doubt they even have a protected 21700 to test with.******.

Pointless for anyone to even so much as comment on that one after all that has been asked and ignored not to mention (angrily) defended. This post/thread should be referenced the next time that anyone asks dumb questions as to cell fitment.

Please see post 1254.

You should be able to use protected 18650 with adapter. Fireflies advised to remove brass insert.

As mentioned though, the light may work rather wimpishly with a protection circuit, if at all. It seems to have been designed for max output and minimum size, therefore if a protection circuit is a requirement, you will need an 18650. In which case you have better options in an 18650 designed light. Especially given the limitation the circuit will likely put on the output of the pl47, i dont see a reason why one would even want the pl47 under those circumstances. It is bigger than many popular 18650 headlamps, in diameter—and a protected battery will likely diminish the output gains you would get with a hotrod. And using an 18650 is going to limit your runtime.

As to fitment, people have just started getting their lights and the reports are still coming in as to what people are finding will fit.

I have been using samsung 50e and 40t 21700 cells, with no fitment issues. But these are not protected cells.

There appears to be only 2 protected 21700 cells thus far. A rofis and an acebeam.

These unfortunately are way too big.

But 18650 protected could fit with adapter without brass plug, according to post 1254.

Hope this helps.

Please keep in mind we all just started receiving lights within the last week or so. People are only now learning what fits. There is only 1 cell listed with the pl47 on their website.

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That battery model does not fit any other flashlights or chargers (99%).

nokoff wrote:
Has anyone tried the orange Rofis 21700 protected battery? Also does anyone know the discharge Amps on that battery? I have a 219b coming and I only own the Rofis and Acebeam 21700s

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My 219B black anno model came today.

First impressions:
-Unprotected flat-top 18650s work perfectly with the spacer, and strangely, they make contact without it too. Battery rattles in that case but now I know in some weird scenario I can rely on that. NCR18650B, NCR18650GA and 30W tested.
-Tint is amazing as expected. Top of the ramp matches the max brightness of my SC600 MK IV HI (1400) lumens and the turbo is a very noticeable step above that using a NCR18650B.
-NCR20700B is the only 20700/21700 cell I have right now and fits with no rattle, no excess tightening required for contact. Didn’t test turbo on it due to >10A continuous.
-Anduril is absolutely as intuitive as I imagined and a huge step above RampingOS and Narsil. Definitely going to flash it to my Q8 now. I NEED a 3000K or less light to use with the candle mode after trying it and the adjustable hz strobe is so fun! Love (I might have waved my hand around and looked at… “water” streams under the strobe)
-Milling is harsh but no edges Id be worried about cutting myself on. I HAVE cut myself on $400+ paintball guns so that seems acceptable for the price of this light. Certainly not as ergonomic as a Zebra but fits in my pocket just as well as a SC600.
-Anno is average. I’ve handled the absolute top of the line hardcoat on firearms and both the cheapest wal-mart trash and several hundred dollar custom screen print and multi-color splash anno jobs on $1000+ paintball guns. I would say this is definitely passable for the price. Good texture though, neither slick nor “chalky”.
- Button is easy to press but the rubber cover seems to be inserted slightly wrong. One half sits lower than the other so its slanted basically. This makes it easier to press the button I think but just looks weird and TRIGGERS my OCD. I don’t want to screw with it and try to align since functionally its more than fine and there is no spare cover included.
-Clip is stiff, hard to clip onto anything but some elbow grease could fix that with bending it out a bit. Haven’t bothered to yet.
-Some knicks similar to the pictures here in the optics of mine. Zero noticeable effect on beam profile.

IMPORTANT POINT
The headband works perfectly for me once the clip is installed in the normal direction. Light is secure, I can adjust vertical angle and simply need to offset the light/holder a bit horizontally on my forehead since the clip angles the head forward more. Light is comfortable to wear in it with an 18650. IDK about bouncing while running if using either 18650 or 21700, haven’t tried it yet because… its really damn cold here.

Bottom line… for the price I paid I am very satisfied. Its the angled head, 21700 compatible, Anduril-flashed, 219B emitter D4 I always wanted. If the MCPCB was easily accessible I’d probably buy more for emitter/driver swaps. We’ll see how the modding goes and if there are some tricks to removing the bezel. No idea if its glued on mine.

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Some pics of the oddly aligned button and a size comparison to SC600 Mk IV: https://imgur.com/gallery/BzDQ5xt

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BurningPlayd0h wrote:
“water” streams under the strobe

It turns every bathroom trip into a disco adventure, no?

Or if you set the party strobe to a slow speed and walk around, it’s like being in a horror movie.

Candle mode is a little weird on the PL47 though, since it really needs a diffuser cone to work properly, and it’s not easy to fit one on the PL47. I think FF should make one available for the ROT66 though; it’d work well as a lantern.

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Size comparison pic with other multiple-Nichia-LEDs flashlights:

from left to right: Emisar D4, Fireflies PL47, Mateminco X6S, Emisar D4S, Fireflies ROT66

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Sort of a modern day Cyclops isn’t it, one big eye that’s subdivided into 4 eyes, an alien Cyclop? Smile

Looking forward to getting mine, for several reasons… first factory installed Anduril, first quad 90 degree , first SST-20’s, first Fireflies light, and first dual layer backlit board….

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Some pics too

- Champagne SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95
Two Scratchs, a bit too warm for me color rendition it’s good but unnatural, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Black XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K Neutral White
Missing “Hot”, fragile “Fireflies” marking, the most powerful, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Champagne Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 (with clip)
Best color rendition for me more natural than SST20, a bit more cold than my nichia Rot66, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.



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Vince? Is that one in the center by any chance the SST-20 variant? (in the pic of three shining on the wall)

Also, do you find these useful as a headlamp?

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I might have fallen prey to picture gazing before reading. lol Sorry.

I have the high CRI SST-20 due in probably tomorrow, have been wondering if it was going to be too warm for my taste. May gift it to my S-I-L for Christmas as it is looking like I probably won’t like the 20’s for my own use.

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Some pics too

- Champagne SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95
Two Scratchs, a bit too warm for me color rendition it’s good but unnatural, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Black XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K Neutral White
Missing “Hot”, fragile “Fireflies” marking, the most powerful, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Champagne Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 (with clip)
Best color rendition for me more natural than SST20, a bit more cold than my nichia Rot66, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

Salut Vincent,

Thanks for sharing information and photos.
Based on the images, it appears as if the SST20 is significantly throwier than the 219b. Would love to hear your comments about the beam between the two.

Thanks

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Pavlo wrote:
vincebdx wrote:
Some pics too

- Champagne SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95
Two Scratchs, a bit too warm for me color rendition it’s good but unnatural, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Black XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K Neutral White
Missing “Hot”, fragile “Fireflies” marking, the most powerful, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

- Champagne Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 (with clip)
Best color rendition for me more natural than SST20, a bit more cold than my nichia Rot66, good power, belt is free but useless, anduril is perfect, no problem with my 21700, without grease on O ring, magnet Ok, Overall with GB price i like it.

Salut Vincent,

Thanks for sharing information and photos.
Based on the images, it appears as if the SST20 is significantly throwier than the 219b. Would love to hear your comments about the beam between the two.

Thanks

I dont remember the actual numbers but yes SST-20 has significantly smaller die than 219B or C and will be throwier.

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vincebdx wrote:

Left : XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K
Center : SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95
Right : Nichia 219B-V1 R9080

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Yes Thumbs Up

I’ve tested with my smartphone, high/turbo mode at 1m :

XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K : ~11 500 / ~29 000 lux
SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95 : ~9 800 / ~21 000 lux
Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 : ~4 900 / ~9 000 lux

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I’m curious if anyone in Canada has a working tracking number. I was giving a Deutche Post tracking number on Nov 18 so I assume they are consolidating shipments in Germany, but there is no tracking data. It’s registered mail so there will be nothing available on the Canadian end.

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Nope, absolutely nothing.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
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DB Custom wrote:

I have the high CRI SST-20 due in probably tomorrow, have been wondering if it was going to be too warm for my taste. May gift it to my S-I-L for Christmas as it is looking like I probably won’t like the 20’s for my own use.

Before you decide to give it away, try to use it outdoors a bit. If you just shine it on a white wall, it might look too warm if the light fixtures in your house are CW. However, at nighttime outdoors, I find my E21A 4000k and 219B 4500k resemble sunlight the most. Colors are much more saturated too. CW light looks more like light from a cloudy day.

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Nope, absolutely nothing.

It’s kind of frustrating because at least the insanely slow ePacket shipments from China for previous FF orders showed they were actually mailed at the origin. Either the German tracking isn’t working or they haven’t even made it to Germany to be re-shipped yet.

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I have the impression that the reason tracking has not been updated once is because of the ceasing of international shipments to Canada.

So, unless Fireflies shipped via Direct Mail/Express shipping, there will be no tracking of sorts.

Which is very puzzling since Sofirn actually shipped using Direct Mail during the strike, and actually has tracking back in Winnipeg, with a cheaper overall package.

The Sofirn lights got shipped earlier than the PL47, and yet, I might get it before the PL47.

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
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vincebdx wrote:
Yes Thumbs Up

I’ve tested with my smartphone, high/turbo mode at 1m :

XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K : ~11 500 / ~29 000 lux
SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95 : ~9 800 / ~21 000 lux
Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 : ~4 900 / ~9 000 lux

I wonder how the lux figures would compare at an equivalent regulated output. If high is the pwm ramp ceiling driven on FET, the SST and xpl can be driven harder meanwhile the 219b output curve reaches it’s max potential. At a regulated level, I would think 219b would do better relative to its current standing based on high and Turbo.

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Pavlo wrote:
vincebdx wrote:
Yes Thumbs Up

I’ve tested with my smartphone, high/turbo mode at 1m :

XPL Hi V3 3A 5000K : ~11 500 / ~29 000 lux
SST20 10W NW 4000K CRI95 : ~9 800 / ~21 000 lux
Nichia 219B-V1 R9080 : ~4 900 / ~9 000 lux

I wonder how the lux figures would compare at an equivalent regulated output. If high is the pwm ramp ceiling driven on FET, the SST and xpl can be driven harder meanwhile the 219b output curve reaches it’s max potential. At a regulated level, I would think 219b would do better relative to its current standing based on high and Turbo.

The lux reading is so much higher on the SST-20 because it has higher illuminance/throwier beam.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
I have the impression that the reason tracking has not been updated once is because of the ceasing of international shipments to Canada.

So, unless Fireflies shipped via Direct Mail/Express shipping, there will be no tracking of sorts.

Royal Mail and other international postal services resumed shipments to Canada right after the strike ended almost three weeks ago. There should at least be tracking at Deutsche Post if the packages have been dispatched from Germany (Canada Post disabled tracking on inbound registered mail in 2015). It would be nice to hear from Freeme/FF whether shipments to Canada have actually been mailed yet.

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I got my PL47 in today. Black body, blue board lights with purple switch lights. Looks sharp, the SST-20 95 CRI emitters are a pleasing tint, as it so happens it is very close to what I get from the mixed tints of 17 emitters in my 458 Ham’r, so it’s a big win! Big Smile

Now, to decide, gift it to my Son-in-law (a monster I created) or keep it and find him something else? lol

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My aux leds are also similar to the D4S on low, the PL47 aux might be slightly brighter. I don’t think they are adjustable like the D4S right?

Also can anyone confirm if a Samsung 30T is ok to use with XPL HI? Ever since fireflies issued the warning I haven’t tested the 30T on turbo. I’m running a 40T but I think the 30T might be brighter? Cool

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The 30T will be brighter but I think the 40T is a better option. The flashlight will get very hot very quickly already with the 40T, so I think the 30T is not worth the shorter runtime and shorter high/turbo. Note that the 40T already has higher current than the 18650’s and 26650’s.

I’d use the 30T with the E07, that has 7 emitters.

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