[Review] Olight S1R Baton II

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[Review] Olight S1R Baton II

Received a new light from Olight a week ago, S1R Baton II, an upgraded S1R (Turbo S). The older S1R (Turbo S) made quite an impression to many flashlight enthusiasts world-wide when it came out. And for a while, it was the light to beat in terms of sheer output for its size: 900 lumens. Now, Olight not only up the output to 1000 lumens, it has also made some enhancement/improvement based on many of our feedback. First, let's take a look at the specifications:

 

and the box it comes in.

 

upon pulling out the inset from the box, a yellow "READ ME" note will grab your attention.

 

what's included in S1R Baton II package:

 

S1R Baton II flashlight, MCC II charger, User Manual, small pouch, wrist-yard, and a convenient storage box for the battery. Note that the battery is pre-installed in the S1R Baton II. Oh ya, and a thank you note too... LOL!

the User Manual

and a link to view the higher resolution of the User Manual
https://imgur.com/5yd17AB.jpg

 

a few pictures of the S1R Baton II...


It seems Olight has started to make this a standard feature of their blue bezel ring flashlight, the max output, in this case 1000 lumens, the colour temperature, CCT 6500K, and the CRI value, 70-CRI are laser edged on the bezel.

 

a top-down look at the bezel ring

now, a couple of things about UI on this S1R Baton II:

  • The UI is very much the trial and proven S-series UI, no surprises here
  • Single click to switch On or Off the S1R Baton II
  • The main mode cycle is Low, Medium and High, mode are cycle through long press of the side switch
  • Direct access to Turbo 1000 lumens by double-clicking in any mode (including from Off)
  • Direct access to Strobe by triple-clicking in any mode (including from Off)
  • From Off, long press (~2 seconds) to access Moon-mode, 0.5 lumens
  • From Off, long press (~3 seconds) to activate Electronic Lockout. If you think counting to 3 seconds is not cool, then just remember to activate Electronic Lockout, continue to hold the side switch when the light turned-on in Moon-mode and let go when it turned-off.
  • To deactivate Electronic Lockout, long press (~2 seconds) until you get Moon-mode. Or you could loosen the body half turn and Electronic Lockout will be disengaged.

There are 2 off-timer functions on this S1R Baton II:

  • A single flash signal a short 3 minutes off-timer is in effect, while double flash signal a long 9 minutes off-timer is in effect.
  • From On, double-click and hold the side switch to engaged one of the two off-timer.
  • Repeat the double-click and hold to alternate between the 2 off-timer

let's continue with some pictures of the light... here is the same familiar tail end of Olight's rechargeable flashlight.

the force is strong with this one... (magnetic that is)

what is different though, is this new S1R Baton II unscrew at the body. The tail and body is a single piece.

yes, don't forget to remove the yellow insulating film before using.

here are the two piece construction of S1R Baton II

 

inside the body is the positive and negative terminal contact


together with the spring at the head, this 2 springs design should provide more cushioning against drop and bump compare to the older S1R (Turbo S).

 

The new MCC II charger

 

this new MCC II charger provides much faster charging compare to the older MCC as it charges in higher current.

when finish charging, current drops to zero.

they have also change the indicator and I think this is nicer

it turns Red when in-charging...

 


and green when charging completed.

 


time taken from 2.85V to 4.2V A couple of close-up picture of S1R Baton II

 


notice the small LED indicator at the switch? it is the new battery level indicator. btw, looks at that aggressive knurling... such a beauty!

 


Green means battery has >60% of juice.

 


Olight says this is Yellow, but it looks more like Orange to me... this colour indicate there are 10%-60% juice left in the battery.

 


No question here, a Red means absolute low juice level and you should charge up the battery as soon as possible.

This new LED indicator will stay On automatically whenever you switch-on the S1R Baton II in all modes EXCEPT the Moon mode. Not sure why Olight decides to left out the Moon mode but it is what it is.

 

Following picture 2 years worth of Olight S-seris flashlight releases (missing S10R III here as I have give-away the unit):

from left, S1 Baton, S1R Baton (Turbo S), S Mini Baton, S1 Mini Baton, and S1R Baton II

 

and a quick comparison with the older S1R (Turbo S)


as can be seen here, Olight has manage to shortened the length of S1R Baton II and the height of MCC II.

 

Difference in TIR

 

Comparing the battery of S1R Baton II and S1R (Turbo S)

top is S1R Baton II battery, ORB-16C05-10C

 


see the plastic disc surrounding the button top on the ORB-16C05-10C (on the right)? We will not be able to charge this new IMR battery in normal flat contact charger like those offering from XTAR. We will however still be able to charge this new battery in those charger with contact nipple (e.g. NiteCore chargers).

 

My measured output of S1R Baton II

The usual disclaimer: I do not claim the above measured lumens as authoritative nor an indication of over/under-stating the number given by manufacturer. It's calibrated against some known light output (e.g. SureFire, Elzetta, etc.) so take it with a grain of salt and just as a relative reading.

 

Small changes in Moon-mode output, left is older S1R (Turbo S), right is S1R Baton II

Notice that there are no ripple (PWM) on the newer S1R Baton II in Moon mode.

 

and now, some runtime test

let's zoomed-in to the first few minutes of the runtime test

well, I do get about a minute of Turbo 1000 (or 1100 lumens as measured) output and it gradually steps down to 300 lumens (or ~335 lumens) on it's way to 1.5 minutes. Note that these runtime test are not fan-cool. It runs in room temperature of ~26°C. and yes, upon stepping down from Turbo, you can immediately double-click and get another run at Turbo mode again. WARNING! watch out for the heat, it might burn your hand.

 

next, the runtime test in High mode

for High mode, I also did a runtime test using Olight's primary CR123A battery. The first minute or so of the runtime is similar to Turbo mode where it gradually drops to 300 lumens (~335 lumens) between 1 to 1.5 minutes. I'm quite impressed with the runtime on primary CR123A as it gives ~80 minutes of 300 lumens output and another ~45 minutes of very usable 80 lumens output (where just a decade ago, this 80 lumens is consider a tactical output).

 

In conclusion, I think Olight has another winner here besides the M1T Raider. Not only because it reaches 1000 lumens output, but the aggressive knurling, faster charging, improved(?) IMR battery and the battery level indicator all pointing to a manufacturer who are constantly listening to users' feedback and make improvements to their offering.

(pssst, but I do wish they would lower the retail price tho...)

 

 (?) see 2018.09.22 update in post #13

 

2018.09.24 Small Discharge Testing Update:

  • One significant runtime difference between S1R Baton (Turbo S) and S1R Baton II is S1R Baton (Turbo S) will switch off on ORB-163C05 Low Voltage (battery Over-discharge) Protection kicks-in, while the new S1R Baton II will turn itself off when ORB-16C05-10C is at ~2.4V (underload). In other words, this new S1R Baton II has battery Over-discharge Protection built-in.
  • When S1R Baton II battery Over-discharge protection kicks-in, the protection can be reset by connecting S1R Baton II to the MCC II. At ~3.5V, it will be reset as you can start the light back on.
  • The S1R Baton II battery Over-discharge Protection can be bypass (highly not recommended, unless you absolutely urgently need some lights) by loosening the body and tightening it back on, you should be able to get Low and possibly Medium Mode. However, note that the in-light Over-discharge Protection may not be activated as can be acknowledged via the non-functioning of the battery level indicator at the electronic side-switch.
  • If you go the bypass route, do take note that your battery, in this case, ORB-16C05-10C will be discharge as low as possible. I stop my discharge test when it reaches 1.8V underload to not risk further damaging the battery.

btw, just in case you are wondering, Olight has taken away the "feature" to light FIRE using steel wool in this new S1R Baton II. The exposed contacts at tailend has limited current, measured at ~2.4mA on my meter.

. -. -.. / --- ..-. / ..- .--. -.. .- - . ...

 

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Edited by: rookiedaddy on 09/24/2018 - 05:58
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Olight clearly is still king in small 16340s. Although I still like the clean s mini design best.

Do you know the RSP?

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I saw that Olight UK have it on sale for £109.95. It looks a good flashlight but when I can get an OTR M3 Pro for £15 it makes no sense.

Good review and I will be interested once I find a reasonably priced supplier.

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rookiedaddy, thanks for your review!!
This is a quite nice light, indeed, and I guess there were some improvements, comparing with the S1R Baton I. I would emphasize that it only takes 1x double click to get to max output (S1R I was 2 x double clicks).

Am I right to say that this new cell won’t work on the S1R I? I don’t have mine currently, so I cannot check the design of the tailcap, but it seems that both battery and charger are “proprietary” to this flashlight, ain’t them?

Thanks for the review once again Wink

(BTW, and just among us, a warmer emitter wouldn’t hurt anyone on this new version Big Smile Wink )

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TheAuditor wrote:
I saw that Olight UK have it on sale for £109.95. It looks a good flashlight but when I can get an OTR M3 Pro for £15 it makes no sense.

Good review and I will be interested once I find a reasonably priced supplier.

Actually ignore that. Its £54.99 on the website. My bad.

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Nice review. Smile love the knurling on the new model.

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Thank you all for the kind words.

 

Geuzzz wrote:
...Do you know the RSP?

The US RSP is USD 64.99. At the moment, Olight US (OlightStore.com) and Olight UK (Olightstore.uk) is having a 25% discount for 1 piece and 30% discount for 2 pieces on the 28th September 2018. It's a time limited sales promotion.

 

 

MascaratumB wrote:
...Am I right to say that this new cell won't work on the S1R I? I don't have mine currently, so I cannot check the design of the tailcap, but it seems that both battery and charger are "proprietary" to this flashlight, ain't them?...(BTW, and just among us, a warmer emitter wouldn't hurt anyone on this new version Big Smile Wink )

You are right! The cell from this new S1R Baton II -- ORB-16C05-10C won't work in the older S1R. Likely due to the plastic disc surrounding the button is blocking the contact to the tailcap as there are no Voltage reading from the tailcap when using ORB-16C05-10C. and yeeeessss, a warmer emitter would be nice!

 

 

TheAuditor wrote:
...Actually ignore that. Its £54.99 on the website...

Thanks for the heads up. laughing

 

 

DBSAR wrote:
...love the knurling on the new model.

Yes, totally agreed. cool

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rookiedaddy wrote:
You are right! The cell from this new S1R Baton II — ORB-16C05-10C won’t work in the older S1R. Likely due to the plastic disc surrounding the button is blocking the contact to the tailcap as there are no Voltage reading from the tailcap when using ORB-16C05-10C. and yeeeessss, a warmer emitter would be nice!

Thanks for confirming it Wink Olight is good at creating new products, and new needs for those products. Some compatibility for this cell would be appreciated, to use it on the old S1R Silly

But I get their point! Thanks again for the review and…what a nice Olight family you got there Thumbs Up

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This thing with Olight continuing to introduce new proprietary batteries is becoming troubling.

I already have a bunch of their batteries with the negative ring around the positive terminal for some of their other tailcap charging lights (both 550 mAh ORB-163C05 and 650 mAh ORB-163C06 versions).

I see no caution statements in the S1R Baton II instruction scan about not using those batteries in this light so I wonder why a new bastard ring configuration 550 mAh battery is necessary. Is it a safety feature (shorting barrier?), a way to tie a higher current capable battery to this particular new turbo light, or are they just trying to tick people off?

I have a thing about not buying lights with proprietary battery packs any more, this is becoming almost as bad.

At least it looks like conventional 16340/RCR123A (or even USB charge port Olight 550 mAh ORBC-163C06) batteries can be used in this new S1R Baton II if one is willing to give up the convenience of in-light tailcap charging. Some rechargeables (like higher mAh rated ones) will behave like CR123A primaries and not allow full turbo output, but that’s always been the case with pocket rockets, one just has to use something that can provide more than a couple of Amps without too much sag (I’ve been having good luck with 2.4 Wh Nitecore RCR123A NL166s lately).

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Thanks for the review great, interesting light but the 16340 suprised me Sad i thought it was gonna use 18650 finally… shame i feel the batons i have will have to do for now. I mean look at emisar its not that much bigger then smallest baton and it takes 18650. Olight need to start change this they cant release batons year after year and only use a small 550mah battery for a light that pushes 1000 lumens, its imo not really useful.

proprietary batteries can be a big turnoff for many, it shouldnt have to rely on those at all. Atleast it could take 18350 also like the astrolux s41 a little extra runtime would have been great.

But i like the knurling on it looks great.

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Wow fast review. Did you check battery and light’s over discharge protection? Runtime on moon is a lot shorter than other similar lights.

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Also, Olight is lagging in implementing proper thermal control, still relying on timers. Kind of outdated in late 2018.

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due to my curiosity... I ran 2 more runtime test against the older S1R and S1R battery -- ORB-163C05 and I'm surprise by the results... I guess what I'm posting below may upset certain quarter... haha... anyway, here goes... first, I perform a runtime test using older S1R Baton to give a comparison of how the high mode on this new S1R Baton II stack against the older S1R Baton...


Looks like no surprises here, the lower output of S1R (2016) resulted in longer runtime for the battery.

 

and next, I use the older model ORB-163C05 battery (note this is a fresh new battery never used before to give a fair comparison) in the new S1R Baton II, and following is the results:

errr... so... hmmm... it looks like I need to stand corrected, now I'm not so sure about the improvement to the IMR battery... (question remains if the new ORB-16C05-10C is more durable? 10C discharge claim? or...), from the chart, you can clearly see that the older ORB-163C05 gives a bit longer runtime, ~4 minutes longer.

 

 

EDCba wrote:
Wow fast review. Did you check battery and light's over discharge protection? Runtime on moon is a lot shorter than other similar lights.

yes, there is over discharge protection in S1R Baton II, the light will turn-off when the battery running out of juice.

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mortuus wrote:
…But i like the knurling on it looks great.

When I saw that “knurling” I knew I was a goner, and put the time of the flash sale on my calendar.

I tend to only use my Batons as backups, for short periods of time (duh) , and turbo mode in short bursts, so I’m willing to put up with their short runtimes because I love the form/cute factor.

Some of my lights that I like the most also have some serious shortcomings, so this one might fit nicely into that group.

Thanks for the update rookiedday, you addressed some battery questions that were fermenting, without me having to ask.

As far as I know, ALL Olight RCR123As/16340 batteries have been protected, and/so prior Batons did not have low voltage cutoff built into the light. I’ve seen debate about the later on the intenets, but have never personally tested any of my Batons, just always used protected batteries (generally not a problem at these low current draws).

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Outstanding review!

Thanks.

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Is there a way to lose/destroy the magnet so i can hang the light to nu keychain without the light sticking to nu keys.

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rookiedaddy wrote:
see the plastic disc surrounding the button top on the ORB-16C05-10C (on the right)? We will not be able to charge this new IMR battery in normal flat contact charger like those offering from XTAR. We will however still be able to charge this new battery in those charger with contact nipple (e.g. NiteCore chargers).

yes, there is over discharge protection in S1R Baton II, the light will turn-off when the battery running out of juice.
If you get a chance to check, I would be curious to know at what voltage the S1R v2 Built in OverDischarge Protection turns the light off?

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jmm244 wrote:
As far as I know, ALL Olight RCR123As/16340 batteries have been protected

True, those are Protected ICR chemistry (low drain, they wont give max lumens in the S1R)

the S1R lights use UNprotected IMR batteries (high drain, required for max lumens in the S1R models)
I do not recommend using S1R batteries in other Olight models that, as you said, have NO OverDischarge protection built into the light.

imo, the UNprotected IMR batteries are best used ONLY in the S1R not in other Olights that have no built in OverDischarge protection in the Light itself.

Note also that the latest S1R v2 battery cannot be charged on flat contact chargers.. they are intended to be charged IN the S1R v2

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…the S1R lights use UNprotected IMR batteries (high drain, required for max lumens in the S1R models) I do not recommend using S1R batteries in other Olight models that, as you said, have NO OverDischarge protection built into the light…

I don’t think so. If I recall correctly, the S1R I used to have came with a protected Olight branded 2.0 Wh 550 mAh RCR123A ORB-163C05 battery with markings indicating it was for “HIGH DRAIN DEVICES” and “BUILT IN CIRCUIT BOARD PREVENTS OVER CHARGING, OVER DISCHARGING AND OVERDISCHARGE CURRENT”. Although I gave a couple of spares away with the light, I still have more because they’re also use in other Olights and I just checked their labels.

If my ex S1R had had some other Olight battery in it, I think I would have noted it at the time and ordered some of as spares, and I didn’t.

I do remember trying some unprotected AW cells (the red ones) in the S1R to see if the supplied Olight cells were current limiting the light, and the output bump was very slight, within the realm of statistical noise. Olight 650 mAh ORB-16306 batteries will definitely current limit an S1R and reduce output though.

Do you have an Olight part number off one of the unprotected IMR S1R batteries you referred to?

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2018.09.24 Small Discharge Testing Update:

  • One significant runtime difference between S1R Baton (Turbo S) and S1R Baton II is S1R Baton (Turbo S) will switch off on ORB-163C05 Low Voltage (battery Over-discharge) Protection kicks-in, while the new S1R Baton II will turn itself off when ORB-16C05-10C is at ~2.4V (underload). In other words, this new S1R Baton II has battery Over-discharge Protection built-in.
  • When S1R Baton II battery Over-discharge protection kicks-in, the protection can be reset by connecting S1R Baton II to the MCC II. At ~3.5V, it will be reset as you can start the light back on.
  • The S1R Baton II battery Over-discharge Protection can be bypass (highly not recommended, unless you absolutely urgently need some lights) by loosening the body and tightening it back on, you should be able to get Low and possibly Medium Mode. However, note that the in-light Over-discharge Protection may not be activated as can be acknowledged via the non-functioning of the battery level indicator at the electronic side-switch.
  • If you go the bypass route, do take note that your battery, in this case, ORB-16C05-10C will be discharge as low as possible. I stop my discharge test when it reaches 1.8V underload to not risk further damaging the battery.

btw, just in case you are wondering, Olight has taken away the "feature" to light FIRE using steel wool in this new S1R Baton II. The exposed contacts at tailend has limited current, measured at ~2.4mA on my meter.

. -. -.. / --- ..-. / ..- .--. -.. .- - . ...

 

jon_slider wrote:
If you get a chance to check, I would be curious to know at what voltage the S1R v2 Built in OverDischarge Protection turns the light off?

Hi jon, see my updates above for additional discharge information. Basically S1R Baton II built-in battery Over-discharge protection kicks-in at ~2.4V underload.

 

jon_slider wrote:
the S1R lights use UNprotected IMR batteries (high drain, required for max lumens in the S1R models)...

The older version of S1R depends on the ORB-163C05 battery's own LV protection. So that IMR battery is in fact a protected battery.

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I was just wondering…this battery won’t even charge on the Olight UC Magnetic charger, will it? Flat Stare

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jmm244 wrote:
I don’t think so. … Do you have an Olight part number off one of the unprotected IMR S1R batteries you referred to?

I have no reason to doubt the S1R and S1r v2 use IMR batteries. The part numbers are posted by rookiedaddy in the first post..

a search of this thread for the keyword IMR, shows rookiedaddy used the term no less than 3 times, before I posted:

rookiedaddy wrote:
We will not be able to charge this new IMR battery in normal flat contact charger

faster charging, improved(?) IMR battery

I’m not so sure about the improvement to the IMR battery

he goes into more detail further down:

rookiedaddy wrote:
S1R Baton II built-in battery Over-discharge protection kicks-in at ~2.4V underload.

The older version of S1R depends on the ORB-163C05 battery’s own LV protection. So that IMR battery is in fact a protected battery.

Thanks for the details rookiedaddy
My prior reading of your posts left me to believe I should treat the IMR in the S1R v1 as unprotected

rookiedaddy;4960555 wrote:
TJZ;4960321 wrote:
Is the IMR battery that comes with the flashlight a protected battery?
According to Olight, they are… well, somewhat. The specification table I received says that the Olight IMR battery has a max constant discharging current of 2.75A, and a protective discharging current of 5A. However, I would still treat them as unprotected regardless.

Maximum Discharge Current is not the same as OverDischarge Protection. So, now that Im totally confused about the use of the term Protected, I think I will simply avoid the S1R v1 and V2, so I dont have to deal with a unique, proprietary battery, that may or may not be protected, and may or may not be IMR, and may or may not be chargeable outside the light, which may or may not have built in OverDischarge Protection..

harrumph.. Im taking my ball and going home to play by myself.. LOL

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Just curious, can the V1 (slower) MCC be used with the V2 light? I prefer slower charging at the rates these batteries are being charged at.

BTW, nice review Beer

Also curious to see how this protected vs unprotected battery discussion plays out.

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Just curious, can the V1 (slower) MCC be used with the V2 light? I prefer slower charging at the rates these batteries are being charged at.

BTW, nice review Beer

Also curious to see how this protected vs unprotected battery discussion plays out.


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Yes, the S1RII is compatible with the MCC1, and the dock too
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very interesting flashlight, olight USA sept 28 -25%. At when a discount code for us BLForumer?

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sbslider wrote:
curious to see how this protected vs unprotected battery discussion plays out.

you could do a test with your S1R v1 battery to prove or disprove whether it has OverDischarge Protection

Put the S1R v1 battery into one of your UnProtected Olights, such as an Olight S Mini, and run it down until the light shuts off, or voltage goes below 2.5v..

IF the light shuts off, AND the S1R v1 battery reads 0 volts, then that IMR battery has built in OverDischarge Protection..

from what rookiedaddy posted of his test of the S1R v2 battery going down to 1.8volts, it clearly does not have OverDischarge Protection built into the battery. Otherwise the S1R v2 batteryt would have gone to 0volts when OverDischarge Protection kicked in at 2.5v, which is not what happened.

So, IF the S1R v1 battery goes below 2.5volts, then it is also UNProtected, the same as the S1R v2 battery.

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sbslider wrote:
Just curious, can the V1 (slower) MCC be used with the V2 light? I prefer slower charging at the rates these batteries are being charged at.

BTW, nice review Beer

Also curious to see how this protected vs unprotected battery discussion plays out.

I don’t think the cable determines the charging rate, it only supplies 5 V, right?

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EDCba wrote:
I don’t think the cable determines the charging rate

The S1R charger is not just a cable, there is a blue charging disc on the end, that has different electronics inside. Version 2 cable charges at a higher rate, and the Version 2 IMR battery has double the maximum Discharge Rate as well. Version 1 Battery says 5C, Version 2 battery says 10C on the label:
you will find these details mentioned in the first post:

rookiedaddy wrote:
this new MCC II charger provides much faster charging compare to the older MCC as it charges in higher current.

see the plastic disc surrounding the button top on the ORB-16C05-10C (on the right)

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I believe I would still be carrying my ugly beam S1R to this day if it was not for one (for me) fatal flaw. The battery, make that the proprietary battery, that makes it possible to charge inside the light with the MCC, does not do well with high loads at COOL, not even cold, temperatures. I experienced this a few times on evening walks with my wife, as noted in this thread. The final straw was on a camping trip this past May, when I had the light off in my pocket at night and tried to see something away from the campfire using the 600 lumen mode and it stepped down to medium or low after a few seconds.

I am wondering if you could do a cool temperature test with the new battery to see if it is at all improved. The Olight (and most 16340) cells do better at full charge, but at less than full the sag is bigger, and the voltage change required to cause the S1R to step down to lower levels is smaller.

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Would be nice if olight could use a design that doesn’t require proprietary batteries, like nitecore does on many of their rechargeable lights.
It would require having the charging circuit in the head.
Maybe they could make it USB-C compatible too, even better.

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sbslider wrote:
I believe I would still be carrying my ugly beam S1R to this day if it was not for one (for me) fatal flaw. The battery, make that the proprietary battery, that makes it possible to charge inside the light with the MCC, does not do well with high loads at COOL, not even cold, temperatures…

Same here. It seemed my S1R “Turbo” Baton was always stepping down to ~300 lumens before I thought it should, while my S1, S Mini and S1 Mini Batons seem to be able to hold their 550-600 lumen high setting for a more usable length of time, so I still have and use them.

Although I still have several other tailcap charging Olights, that feature has lost a lot of its initial appeal. I’d rather have spare batteries ready to go when a light needs them, rather than having the light tied to a charger that won’t let me select current or tell me where the battery is in the charge cycle.

Even so, I’ll probably try one of the new S1R IIs since I got an email from Olight today saying they were extending this Fridays 2 hour flash sale by 24+ hours (running through Saturday), which is way too long for me to resist that kind of temptation.

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