GB Clone Offically "SOLD OUT" 10/21/18 XPL HI 1300LM Focusing AKA Cometa 2016

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I bought one more. this time with out battery. anyway still good deal. Big Smile

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DENGOH wrote:
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They are available again. Just ordered one for 13 euros.
Wow! Even lower price than previous, but without the 26650. And who bought 10 pieces in one go? It was 14 in stock and suddenly dropped to 4 in stock. Cool

Me! Of all my lights that one seems to tickle friends and family’s balls the most.

I’ll won’t sell to them for a profit though.

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Plenty left in UK warehouse (143), the numbers are just a distraction and seem to change randomly.

And stock can be moved between (bonded ?) warehouses to suit market demand.

Price here (UK) has dropped to $23, which is correct, considering that that will include 20% tax, plus Royal Mail delivery throughout Europe which is not free, un-like subsidised China Post. (VAT applies on top of price, plus delivery, plus anything else).

Probably at least another $5 depending what deal they have done with RM.

I also feel some moral duty to pay my taxes. Seemingly many don’t, even to the extent of shipping bits of torches in separate deliveries with under-declared values to try to slide under the radar (shame on you, Lumintop, and Neal).

And you will probably get it in 2-3 days, with assurance.

Oh, and they will be tracked, end to end, in the EU. And no additional tax or import duty or customs delays (for now), this is an internal free-market.

Sometimes cheap, really cheap, on something this cheap, is not a track worth pursuing.

I suspect that they are also indulging in a psychological game to test out some algorithms. And getting rid of some pallet-loads of over-ordered, rapidly dating, stock. Or just incompetent, which I doubt.

By the way, some of you seem to assume that I don’t have one, and am blowing hot air. Has it occurred to you that you might be wrong ?

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1504 on the left Cometa on the right 2,5m away from the wall (Cometa with led coverplate, 1504 without). Both lights with XPL-HI and both with DD Fet driver. But i really have to find a white wall that is 5-10m away (better to see the spot size difference). Picture is not as clear as i want but phone cam is having a hard time with the spots. In real the edges are much clearer.

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Not read all too big topic..
What is wrong with this cometas ?
I get it and out of box I put a 26650 run it and all is working well..

Then I disassemble the light.

As it can been seen there is this plastic protection ring which is ok to me I do not mind.. It prevent that cells come in contact with this large pill.

Then upper part.

This black one ( don’t know how to call it ) can be very easy to have contact with this wires that are feed an LED.

But that can be solved if you there put another plastic protection ring like this one :

And then tighten this black thing on it so there is no possibility that can touch an soldered contacts for LED.

I would also put one more of this plastic protection ring in tailcap.

In this way all possibilities for shorts will be eliminated. Are I’m missing something since this is first time that I have this light ?

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Bought one and this time it’s shipped LOL

Wanted one for some time but not for high price with all the problems.

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Nice pictures vidraman! I think you've 'covered' the issues well. LoL

The extra ring over the LED may affect the zoom range. I suggest kapton or electrical tape.

Did you make 2 additional rings?

 

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Tom Tom wrote:
I also feel some moral duty to pay my taxes. Seemingly many don’t, even to the extent of shipping bits of torches in separate deliveries with under-declared values to try to slide under the radar (shame on you, Lumintop, and Neal).

The reason for me is not the taxes, I’m not a big fan of import taxes (but that is a political thing) but at least the money goes to the government, in principle for the good of all.
The reason is the DHL handling fees. If DHL smells that taxes need to be paid, they charge you a fixed ~20 dollar handling over here, which often almost equals the value of the item being taxed. That is not fair, probably much more than the actual costs they make, and the reason why I was not against sending the GT in 2 shipments.
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If it works flawlessly once you get it and you don’t mess with hard tightening or extra loosening things up assuming it comes with the insulation ring over the positive battery spring, then it is watt it is, safe to operate! You can do inadvertent damage that wasn’t there before by partly messing around. Point being if you’re gonna partly mess around here and there then you’re better off taking it all apart to see what’s watt.

Carry on. Grad

Ps. For non-modders especially, a good instant way to tell if things are edgy somewhere is to switch it on, then tap it on something like tight knapped carpeting from stem to stern and see if anything happens. If it stays lit, or doesn’t blink/flicker from whatever solid-on mode present then it’s good to go.

And…..one other thing.

If you’re really concerned about its integrity for whatever reason you can always open the circuit by loosening the tail cap by a half turn or so to lock it out.

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vidramon wrote:
Are I’m missing something since this is first time that I have this light ?

You have done a good job there. But the springs can also move sideways when the torch is closed. This does not matter at the tail, it would just turn on, but at the head it could short out. Clearances are small.

Hopefully the spring (or both springs) would fry and collapse. Which used to happen regularly with this thing.

Since I don’t have a recent one, I can’t advise on further measures. Problem is, that it has, I think, the standard 17mm BLF driver in a pill that would be ideal for 18650 cells. But they put it into a body sized for 26650 and failed to understand that there is a significant difference, particularly at the positive contact.

Also a pity that they don’t supply a 26650-18650 adapter.

I think that you have done a good job with the extra insulation.

Then there is the issue with the driver, which can get flaky at high current levels. I’ve not seen this myself, but it is real. Particularly if you decide to mod. it with e.g. spring by-passes and stronger LEDs. It was fixed in later BLF designs, and if you are very handy with a soldering iron you might manage to retro-fit the fix.

Finally, the brass pill is a weakness. It looks pretty and shiny, but brass is a very poor material thermally. and a screw-in pill is always a compromise.

Due to the zoomie head there is almost no thermal path to it, so it all has to go back into the body. So putting more powerful LEDs into this may stress the driver, and the thermal capability.

Plain Al alloy pill, or an integral design with no pill, just a shelf, would have been better.

The LED was also a poor choice even at the time, for a thing like this. Something with the best surface brightness would have worked much better, which is why you will see talk of modding with e.g. a de-domed XPG2. No doubt newer technology is better.

Still, the basics are all there, particularly the optics, and if you are prepared to do some work it is a great place to start experimenting. Definitely a bargain.

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Hey Vidramon, Check the material for the black centering ring, on mine it was plastic (non-conductive) and milled out so it only contacts the painted portion of the MCPCB and not the exposed solder on the wires like the original aluminum one.

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djozz wrote:
If DHL smells that taxes need to be paid, they charge you a fixed ~20 dollar handling over here, which often almost equals the value of the item being taxed.

That is harsh.

Royal mail handling fee if duty is required is £8 (seems fair enough, it does take some paperwork), but I can honestly say that I have never ever had anything stopped by UK customs (and I’ve bought a lot of stuff, sometimes quite expensive). We seem to be open for business, for the time being.

Once stuff is in the UK, it can be sent throughout the EU with no further issues.

And we appear to be very friendly to trade with China.

https://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/files/International-customs-char...

You might also want to look at import tariffs, which is a complex subject, and you might be surprised by how much stuff is totally exempt, if properly declared.

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Tom Tom, you mention more problems than there are in reality.

*I have not seen the drop-out-of-turbo problem of the X5/X6 driver on a single led, it happened to me only with triples and especially when low voltage leds are used. In fact the X5/X6 driver was fine-tuned on the XP-L HI which is also used in the Cometa. The drop after 10 seconds that I noticed on one of my copies seems related to not yet setting the thermal stepdown temperature (I will just turn the stepdown off, not needed on the Cometa)

*the incredibly chunky brass pill is thermally overkill for a single XP-L Hi, even with light meters you will not measure output increase if that pill was made of aluminium or copper. Same for the thermal path further to the outside of the light (large and wide threaded area, wide tube etc.) , more than adequate to transfer the heat of a single XP-L Hi (and a bit more, would you use a more powerful led).

*given that only a handful manufacturers ever made (expensive!) flashlights with factory-dedomed leds, so a dedomed XP-G2 was out of the question, the XP-L HI was a pretty good choice I think, good output and very decent throw, it would at this moment even still be a good choice for this flashlight.

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vidramon, great pics. Thanks for posting. The black piece that go over the mcpcb seems plastic to me instead of aluminum. Also don’t think there’s any using putting that plastic washer at the bottom (negative) terminal. Seems like they fixed all the problems with the Cometa in this version.

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Bribo wrote:
Hey Vidramon, Check the material for the black centering ring, on mine it was plastic (non-conductive) and milled out so it only contacts the painted portion of the MCPCB and not the exposed solder on the wires like the original aluminum one.
SKV89 wrote:
vidramon, great pics. Thanks for posting. The black piece that go over the mcpcb seems plastic to me instead of aluminum. Also don’t think there’s any using putting that plastic washer at the bottom (negative) terminal. Seems like they fixed all the problems with the Cometa in this version.

It is aluminum ! At least in my case.

Cell also can short if touch tailcap bottom. For example if you use this light as a hunting light and after a big and strong recoil there are a very big chances that it will short !

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You have done a good job there. But the springs can also move sideways when the torch is closed. This does not matter at the tail, it would just turn on, but at the head it could short out. Clearances are small.

Hopefully the spring (or both springs) would fry and collapse. Which used to happen regularly with this thing.

Since I don’t have a recent one, I can’t advise on further measures. Problem is, that it has, I think, the standard 17mm BLF driver in a pill that would be ideal for 18650 cells. But they put it into a body sized for 26650 and failed to understand that there is a significant difference, particularly at the positive contact.

Also a pity that they don’t supply a 26650-18650 adapter.

I think that you have done a good job with the extra insulation.

Then there is the issue with the driver, which can get flaky at high current levels. I’ve not seen this myself, but it is real. Particularly if you decide to mod. it with e.g. spring by-passes and stronger LEDs. It was fixed in later BLF designs, and if you are very handy with a soldering iron you might manage to retro-fit the fix.

Finally, the brass pill is a weakness. It looks pretty and shiny, but brass is a very poor material thermally. and a screw-in pill is always a compromise.

Due to the zoomie head there is almost no thermal path to it, so it all has to go back into the body. So putting more powerful LEDs into this may stress the driver, and the thermal capability.

Plain Al alloy pill, or an integral design with no pill, just a shelf, would have been better.

The LED was also a poor choice even at the time, for a thing like this. Something with the best surface brightness would have worked much better, which is why you will see talk of modding with e.g. a de-domed XPG2. No doubt newer technology is better.

Still, the basics are all there, particularly the optics, and if you are prepared to do some work it is a great place to start experimenting. Definitely a bargain.

Sideways touching of springs is almost impossible a battery will compress a spring and there is no space for such a big movement there. Only if spring completely loses its shape but that is 0.001% that will be happen.. Also this protection plastic white ring is closer, so if spring go on side it will first hit on it.

They supply an adapter at least in my case !

A b158 also use a brass and also it have a pill, and many people mod it with a fet drivers as far as I know no one is complain, don’t know I don’t play to do anything with this light in terms of change a led or driver just use it in this condition and try to prevent sorts.

@Others I will check after putting a white plastic ring on mcpcb to protect from short is focus changing dramatically or not.. Will post results here.

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I think there’s perhaps a hint of irrational rampant malfunction paranoia about this light that somehow translates it into being a veritable pipe contraption ready to go BOOM! at any given moment. Davie

If you’re not an experienced modder and know what you’re doing then at least use a protected cell otherwise. IMO that goes for any light for an inexperienced user.

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Ok, I have two samples, measured on one.

30 sec – 907 lm
1 min 886 lm
After about 1:10 it steps down to 764 lm.

Look here, you can believe me or not but which is better one to you ?

I don’t have time for better shoot because I’m in big hurry, this is just for reference, but right one is without white plastic ring on led ( stock, how I got it ), and a left one is with white plastic ring on led like I post here :

With my eyes I see that better focused beam is this one with plastic ring than this one without it ! Also camera pick it up as you can see but I don’t have time in this moment for better shot I need to get to bed right away.

So don’t know it will this be in only my case or at the others, try then post results here. Led on my both samples was not perfectly centered just to mention.

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Swap the plastic ring to the right one and see if you get the same results.

If not the left one is somewhere set up differently than the right one and thus doesn’t necessarily prove that the plastic ring will tend to work for all samples recently received out there.

Worth a shot for others to try the same experiment though. Couldn’t hurt.

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Mine come with 2 white plastic rings on both LED side and driver side out of the box.

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Flashaholics wrote:
DENGOH wrote:
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They are available again. Just ordered one for 13 euros.
Wow! Even lower price than previous, but without the 26650. And who bought 10 pieces in one go? It was 14 in stock and suddenly dropped to 4 in stock. Cool

Me! Of all my lights that one seems to tickle friends and family’s balls the most.

I’ll won’t sell to them for a profit though.

For this kind of price, I think it can be a good gift for friends and relatives too, Christmas is coming. I don’t see any real safety concern of my two stock Cometa. The safety concern is definitely there if one to modify it like using higher gauge wire that will have higher solder blob and higher chance to scratch the alu. disc, also higher chance to cut the high gauge wire with the sharp edge of brass pill if tighten until the MCPBC rotated.

For those who still worry about getting a bomb, I think you better don’t over modify this light out of its design tolerance and you might tighten the MCPCB until it rotated. If you are really concerned, just use a layer or two of klapton tape under the alu. disc.

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Satan@103TFS wrote:
Mine come with 2 white plastic rings on both LED side and driver side out of the box.

does it look like the pictures in post #467? Thanks.

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US$14.95 (Earn 14 BG points)
Sold Out
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Is EU warehouse still in stock?

cool i'll see you when you get there

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saypat wrote:
Satan@103TFS wrote:
Mine come with 2 white plastic rings on both LED side and driver side out of the box.

does it look like the pictures in post #467? Thanks.

Yes exactly like that pict.

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Still shows 3 in stock for CN Warehouse

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shirnask wrote:
Still shows 3 in stock for CN Warehouse

Ya, a few minutes ago was sold out.
I looked at the page showing 13 in stock, then I refreshed it knowing that was page of yesterday. And it showed sold out. Now I refresh again, it shows 3 in stock.

US$14.95 (Earn 14 BG points)
Only 3 units.
Ships from CN Warehouse

I think Banggood is preparing Backorder game for us, it is fun time for them.

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Ya’ know, two years this side of the ‘Cometa fiasco’ and looking back; it was not a bad little light at all.

To me how it was presented as being a Jaxman Z1 host, when it turned out to be something entirely different; created by Manker was a big problem.

Basically Manker cloned the Z1 except for a couple of minor differences. In other word they robbed the Z1 idea from Jaxman & knocked it off. Sad
…. This turned out to be a big problem.

The buying of lenses from Jaxman under somewhat false pretenses. Facepalm

Then Cyberescudo, the ‘leader’ of the Group Buy pulled the disappearing act and cut all communications with anyone….. this was really not good. Especially when it finally was revealed that Cyberescudo had in fact given the OK for the last protype to be put into production & ‘the team’ followed suit in that recommendation. Facepalm Facepalm

And on & on…… Facepalm

BUT…. getting past all of that, with a couple of very simple “fixes” (plastic surrounding the driver spring & isolating the solder joints on the MCPCB so they would not directly touch the onodized black disc); it was & still is a nice, reliable little light. Thumbs Up

Not quite up to be an equal of the Jaxman Z1…. but nice enough none the less.

Of course, at the time; it was not sold as a ‘kit light’ either. These problems should have been discovered before the Cometa sold. They were not & added to all the above BS it was a disaster……

I’m still happily using mine. Wink

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For this price it’s a great deal – if you have any skills at all

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DENGOH wrote:
US$14.95 (Earn 14 BG points)
Sold Out
Ships from CN Warehouse

Is EU warehouse still in stock?

Yes, of course. Still showing 143 in stock.

Maybe get a VPN where you can choose the end-point from around the world.

And use a private browser window so those pesky cookies don’t persist.

The same applies when trying to book flights etc.

The mind-games continue Wink

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Ha Ha Ha Teacher I started this thread, believe me I’ve told them, well not in as much detail, you were my right hand man back then during the investigation, your the guy with the big testicles and in their face, I don’t want to offend anyone with the other word for the same parts, you were great help for sure, I had to know who did what and why for Paul and we did get to the bottom of it all, damn scoundrels..!
For the price this is a good host but nothing like a real Z1, period.
Hope are people buy these things out of existence.
I was wondering when you’d show up, you’re almost late for the party pal.. LOL Beer

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