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Got my e07 in today and the light was smaller than expected even after seeing all the pictures. And was impressed with the light even after hearing all the positive reviews. This is my top and favorite smaller size light out of my fairly large collection. The only con I have is the heat sinks are kinda rough…almost a bit sharp even. So I looked over my instruction and even the pdf manual but I can’t seem to figure out how to change my UI to the smooth ramp. It’s set to the step ramp currently. I would like to make it to have the lowest floor possible and have the highest ramp the same as turbo. Can somebody help me please.

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This thread and the last couple pages have given me some good stuff to mull over. I am seeing some perspectives and others I’m not.

$50 isn’t cheap. For a top-performing light, maybe so, but I don’t throw around that kind of money without thinking for a moment. That’s me. Having a similar performing light available in the same ballpark, price-wise, it makes my decision clearer. I would guess that Fireflies might want to take the feedback and make some changes to make their light come out on top.

When I used the word “trend” I wasn’t just referring to this light. Fireflies had some (probably more) issues with their other two lights and even if the lights that are getting complaints aren’t statistically large, it’s still pretty clear to me that with a little extra care, testing and communication within their company, they could improve. This light came out pretty darn quickly compared to others in the past couple years. Maybe a little extra time would have avoided some of the things that bug folks on this forum.

For me, I guess that I’m willing to wait for some real-world experiences with the lights I’m interested in. I’ve been burned on a group buy before and I have benefited by waiting until a new run has corrected some early bugs. I’m just willing to wait on this one. I’d bet that most would agree that this light could be a monster of power and value. Addressing the things that have come up in these threads would benefit Fireflies for sure. For now I’m content to wait.

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PBWilson wrote:
…, it’s still pretty clear to me that with a little extra care, testing and communication within their company, they could improve. This light came out pretty darn quickly compared to others in the past couple years. Maybe a little extra time would have avoided some of the things that bug folks on this forum.

For me, I guess that I’m willing to wait for some real-world experiences with the lights I’m interested in. I’ve been burned on a group buy before and I have benefited by waiting until a new run has corrected some early bugs. I’m just willing to wait on this one. I’d bet that most would agree that this light could be a monster of power and value. Addressing the things that have come up in these threads would benefit Fireflies for sure. For now I’m content to wait.

Fair enough. But if i were fireflies, once i got my production issues worked out, and did more elaborate and thoughtful design process with testing and r&d, and added employees to manage customer service, etc. Etc. i would double my prices—because if the production issues are worked out they’d be producing a top shelf product—in a different league altogether—function/output-wise. I think people are missing the value, here. And they are being tested and critiqued in the crucible that is blf. Seems gutsy, to me.

Not only are folks missing the value here but are not really aware of what is involved with being a small shop and managing all the pieces by a single individual or just a few employees.
All things considered, 2 short years ago i bought a thrunite tn36ut cw, for about 236.00$. It outputs ~6-7000lumen. And is a huge 4 cell light. I can reach similar output for 80$, in a single cell pocketable light, in the e07.

There is no reason to think that once they get production, material sourcing and labor dialed in that the prices wont go up. It is how things work.

[Edit]: A comparable light in the zebralight 21700, w/ 70.2emitter ~3000lumen. $120 plus shipping. Zebralight has not been immune to customer complaints. I remember when i got my sc600fd IIIplus, there was a huge number of people returning the light because of various issues. Havent followed the zl700, so cant speak to that.

There’s a saying, “cheap, fast, good. You can pick 2. Cheap+fast not gonna be good. Good+fast not gonna be cheap. Cheap+good not gonna be fast.”

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PBWilson wrote:
For now I’m content to wait.

Me to, whats a couple months? Not much.

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I’m not sure if FF quality control is that defendable for the price. I like their lights and all, but sincerely believe their QC could be upped a few notches. Just seems a bit sloppily built. Attention to detail should be more of a workmanship pride consideration than a pricing consideration.

What I’m saying is they are all being built piece by piece. The pieces just need to be put together with a little more pride and care.

For example, two people are working at the FF shop and one is putting some pride and attention to detail in the way he assembled the product and works just as efficiently as the one who isn’t. Is there going to be a price increase because one is taking pride in his work while the other who is working beside him isn’t?

The person who isn’t is becoming an expense and a liability. FF is sending out extraordinary amounts of replacement lights and numerous hours of time expended on dealing with problems.

All this wasted profit and energy, all due to somebody’s lack of putting some pride in thier work. I feel very badly for FF as this lacking must be killing thier profitability.

Ultimately thier lack of QC is making thier company suffer.

FF is putting out a superior product. They just need to have these products assembled in a more superior way.

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Johnny makes a lot of good points. Guys please don’t use Paypal until you have really exhausted all options. We are very fortunate to have someone make lights that fulfill the wishes of our small BLF niche. These feature combinations incorporated into a flashlight prior to Fireflies were a BLF dream and Fireflies helped us turn our dream into reality. These features include the much coveted Lexel designed driver, BLF designed NarsilM/Anduril firmware, abundant LED options including the discontinued legendary 219B sw45k 9080, good option of beautiful aux LEDs, AR coated lens, awesome heat dissipating design on E07, clear anodized option, multi-emitters in compact form factor, and some of the brightest production flashlights for their size category. The E07 is measured to be twice as bright as the previous brightest single cell flashlight, D4S, which to me is quite an astounding feat. I don’t consider the TM10K because the lumens were not verified by calibrated equipment, much larger form factor, and turbo only last 7s.

Sure that the build quality is not as good as the Emisar/Noctigon lights and there definitely are bugs and imperfections, but what do you expect from a brand new small (1-man?) shop making lights for a very small enthusiast niche? Even large billion dollar companies like Microsoft and Apple with tens of thousands of engineers have countless bugs with every new version and updates as can be seen all over the news and forums. FF only sold a few hundred of each light at a very bargain price so there’s not a whole lot of money to be made especially if you include the R&D/production cost. Let’s try not to bash them and utilize Paypal to get a free light as that will only discourage them and BLF will lose a valued flashlight maker. I do say it is bargain price because if you go on CPF you will see lights selling for 5x to 10x the price cannot match FF features.

Btw, I have 2 PL47 and 5 E07 and tested it with so many different 21700 cells with zero problems. Only the Acebeam protected 21700 doesn’t fit but no other 21700 lights can accommodate that cell besides Acebeam lights. I am also extremely happy with these lights for the price despite there are room for further improvement.

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can you please measure the length of your E07 battery tubes? 

 

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M4D M4X wrote:

can you please measure the length of your E07 battery tubes? 


 

73.93mm if i have it nice and flush. Several readings just above 74 too but I think it was crooked.

Battery is around 70.5mm

Driver side spring bypass is a pretty decent size blob but it’s only attached to the top of the spring and the spring will still flex a bit allowing the wire to compress into the driver. From ~4mm to 2mm

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Mine is 73.93mm as well.

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Well said SKV89    My two E07's have not arrived  yet, but whatever I get I'm going to cut ff some slack as they created something pretty special here.  Obviously there are many E07's that are working just fine and in time they will figure it all out.  I have two rot66's, one with anduril and the other with narsilM and both are perfect after members here helped me figure out how to adjust the battery cage on one of them. 

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Received my clear ano Nichia 219. Oh man.. Its perfect. Colour of light is good. Machining is so nice,, feels good to touch. Can barely feel the machining with nails.. Awsome. Switch needs to be pressed hard. Just perfect.. Im happy, thanks FF

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M4D M4X wrote:

can you please measure the length of your E07 battery tubes?


The tubes on both of my E07s are 73.93mm. However, the solder blob on the spring in one of the heads is a bit larger than the other, so the same battery sticks out more of the tube on that unit.

Given other people reporting tube length of 73.93mm, it seems the issue is not manufacturing/QC but simply that the design of the tube was spec’ed too short. I’d pay $5-$8 for a new 76mm tube so I can avoid the gap caused by inserting a copper ring in the tail cap.

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how does one return all settings to default position? Or is that done individually? Facepalm

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thanky for your measurements!
mine is 73.9mm too

(so its not a manufacturing variation)

another puzzle piece:
the guys with the non sharp fins have the clear ano version? right?
colored heads are sharp?


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ToyKeeper wrote:
About people’s UI questions, the manual might answer a few things. It’s written for Anduril in general though, not for any specific model of light. So some details will probably differ on a per-model basis.

EVERY FF and Anduril user should download and print this out. It makes everything clear. Thanks for posting this TK

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EVERY FF and Anduril user should download and print this out. It makes everything clear. Thanks for posting this TK

well, it’s a start to making everything clear, but very helpful … yes, thank you TK!

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saypat wrote:
how does one return all settings to default position? Or is that done individually? Facepalm

There isn’t a factory reset function yet. I’ll probably add one at some point though… mostly so people can auto-calibrate the temperature sensor. The idea is to hold the e-switch and then tighten the tailcap to connect power, then keep holding for a few seconds to confirm a reset is desired. Then it should reset all config values and calibrate the current temperature based on the assumption that the light is about 21 C.

I took a quick stab at it last month for the FW3A, but it’s trickier there because it physically can’t have the button pressed until after power is connected.

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…. thanks ToyKeeper, I’ll give it a go.

edit: 21 Celsius = 69.8 Degree Fahrenheit

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M4D M4X wrote:
the guys with the non sharp fins have the clear ano version? right?
colored heads are sharp?


Correct I compared them. The clear anodized version has small chamfers on the fins whereas the earlier colored versions have sharp edges. Guess they listened to your request.

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SKV89 wrote:
M4D M4X wrote:
the guys with the non sharp fins have the clear ano version? right?
colored heads are sharp?


Correct I compared them. The clear anodized version has small chamfers on the fins whereas the earlier colored versions have sharp edges. Guess they listened to your request.

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The big blob of solder on the driver springs of my two lights costs >1.5mm of spring compression, maybe 2mm on one of them
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Edit: (that’s after I nipped off what was above the top of the springs)

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Make sure the solder blob is only sticking to the top coil. If it sticks to the top and 2nd coil and keeps them from compressing that could cost you some space. Press on the spring with your finger, it needs to go about half way down. If it doesn’t make sure the bypass wire is able to go into the driver hole when pressed. If it binds up/is kinked that could be an issue too.

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Why solder blob the spring at all. My PL47 has one and it does use up a couple of mm of precious space.

I have an E07 on the way. So far four ROT66 and one PL47 in the armory.

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nokoff wrote:
Why solder blob the spring at all. My PL47 has one and it does use up a couple of mm of precious space.

I have an E07 on the way. So far four ROT66 and one PL47 in the armory.

A bit more output. I agree though factory spring bypass is risky. They already use high current springs so it’s probably a smallish gain for a lot of risk with battery fitment and risk of breaking.

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I have a clear and i look at the deges of the fins and the edge is machined flat on the edge. So the edge on mine is great. Feels like a rounded edge

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My dark gray is not rounded. Anyone with a clear have a good enough camera to show that edge? I know Dale will take his signature pics

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contactcr wrote:
My dark gray is not rounded. Anyone with a clear have a good enough camera to show that edge? I know Dale will take his signature pics
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Clear

Grey

best I can do

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Wow more than I could have hoped for. You can even see the machining on the flats. Thanks for the pic i bet that makes a big difference in how it feels

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I noticed the extra chamfering on the clear ano version when I saw vinh’s pic. Thanks for confirming this.

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blueb8llz wrote:
Got my e07 in today and the light was smaller than expected even after seeing all the pictures. And was impressed with the light even after hearing all the positive reviews. This is my top and favorite smaller size light out of my fairly large collection. The only con I have is the heat sinks are kinda rough…almost a bit sharp even. So I looked over my instruction and even the pdf manual but I can’t seem to figure out how to change my UI to the smooth ramp. It’s set to the step ramp currently. I would like to make it to have the lowest floor possible and have the highest ramp the same as turbo. Can somebody help me please.

Turn the light on. 3 flast clicks switches between stepped/smooth cyclically.

When on and smooth selected, 4 fast clicks. Light will blink once, then flicker. Click once and wait.
Light will blink twice, then flicker. Click once and wait. Light will be set to lowest low for floor and highest high for ceiling.
(It’s supposed to be that by default, mine was not).

Max ramp should be under 50% power by default.

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