DARKSIDE | NYMPH (10440 twisty Fet+1 flashlight w/ 4k 9050 219C)

150 posts / 0 new
Last post
Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

I made a thread over there in the custom maker forum, but thank you.

Gebe
Offline
Last seen: 1 week 9 hours ago
Joined: 05/11/2013 - 17:04
Posts: 748
Location: State Of Jefferson
Hoop wrote:
Evidently you have to create a cult of personality on social media platforms if you want to sell semi-custom flashlights, regardless of quality and price. This is a learning process for me so I am not discouraged that it is not taking off.

Actually Hoop, you are correct but that has been true on the internet long before social media platforms ever existed.

I was a knife enthusiast when I bought my first computer over 20 years ago and joined one of the first knife forums, Blade Forums and soon joined one of the first flashlight forums, CPF. It was such a wonderful time as we talked knives and ways to make our Maglites brighter.

Slowly but surely and after only a few short years, “rock personalities” came aboard both forums and eventually garnered loyal, cult followers that would buy anything they produced no matter what the price and if anyone questioned anything, you were slammed to the ground!

Some of these folks were truly deserving of what they produced and others not so much but what was proven was you needed “cult of personality” and now even more than way back then and that is kind of sad.

Hang in there! You’re a talented guy and follow your dreams!

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 7 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 9543
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3
Hoop wrote:
Evidently you have to create a cult of personality on social media platforms if you want to sell semi-custom flashlights, …

Ish. It’s a little more complicated than that. Basically, in most cases, it’s important to have a high degree of social currency. This is multi-faceted and an entire field of study by itself, but as a quick summary, here are the five main types of social currency:

  • Transparency: Do you make your work, your processes, and your reasoning visible?
  • Utility: Is what you’re doing useful/valuable to others?
  • Consistency: Are you active and productive frequently enough and over a long enough time that people can rely on you?
  • Merit: Are you actually good at what you’re doing?
  • Trust: Can people trust you? Do you treat others well, communicate clearly, and follow through on your promises?

There is no shortcut for building social currency. It mostly just takes a lot of work over a long period of time. In some cases though, it can at least be partially carried over from one community to another, or one platform to another.

Edit: This model is from Venia, whose research focuses on exactly this sort of thing.

eas
eas's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 months 4 days ago
Joined: 07/14/2014 - 18:53
Posts: 1354
Location: PNW

Your list seems to be missing some dark patterns.

.

shirnask
shirnask's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 21 min ago
Joined: 03/21/2016 - 23:58
Posts: 852
Location: Louisiana

Lasted as long as I could – committed for 1

electricjelly
electricjelly's picture
Offline
Last seen: 24 min 38 sec ago
Joined: 08/23/2012 - 03:39
Posts: 506
Location: Los Angeles

I plegged for one. I was very impressed with the s2+ pill I got from you. The quality and attention to detail was top notch.
I really hope these make it into production. That knurling is some next level stuff I’d love to see in person.

Venia
Venia's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 05/03/2017 - 19:16
Posts: 2
Location: fort collins colorado
eas wrote:
Your list seems to be missing some dark patterns.

Hello!

I am the “researcher” in question if you can call me that (it’s a tad too generous). The above social currency metrics are my current research targets and I am super interested in what you think is missing in them.

So I decided to do that very, very rare thing where instead of dropping in when interesting community stuff happens, and lurking on occasion, I actually make myself heard because I would love to hear your thoughts if you’re willing to expand on this concept for me?

I know it’s super off topic, so you can either respond here or respond to TK! She’s helping me a lot by providing examples. I don’t log in often but, I’ll watch my inbox for the next few weeks. ^^

I'm a Communication / Anthropology researcher, and an aspiring online community manager so I can't wait to learn from you all!

DavidEF
DavidEF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 06/05/2014 - 06:00
Posts: 7138
Location: Salisbury, North Carolina, USA
Venia wrote:
eas wrote:
Your list seems to be missing some dark patterns.

Hello!

I am the “researcher” in question if you can call me that (it’s a tad too generous). The above social currency metrics are my current research targets and I am super interested in what you think is missing in them.

So I decided to do that very, very rare thing where instead of dropping in when interesting community stuff happens, and lurking on occasion, I actually make myself heard because I would love to hear your thoughts if you’re willing to expand on this concept for me?

I know it’s super off topic, so you can either respond here or respond to TK! She’s helping me a lot by providing examples. I don’t log in often but, I’ll watch my inbox for the next few weeks. ^^


Welcome to BLF!
Quote:
aspiring online community manager
We could prolly use some of that around here, TBH.

The Cycle of Goodness: “No one prospers without rendering benefit to others”
- The YKK Philosophy

DB Custom
DB Custom's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 38 min ago
Joined: 01/13/2013 - 22:28
Posts: 19884
Location: Heart of Texas

Hi Venia, nice to meet you. Hope you are able to help Hoop get a RockStar beginning with this venture, his work is beyond outstanding and I for one would love seeing him amply rewarded for it. Smile

Thank you for your generous help, much appreciated.

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

Even if the campaign doesn’t make the goal, this whole process from concept onward has been a lot of fun for me. Everyone has been very supportive and kind. Thanks for that! Crown Thumbs Up

ToyKeeper
ToyKeeper's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 hour 7 min ago
Joined: 01/12/2013 - 14:40
Posts: 9543
Location: (469219) 2016 HO3
DB Custom wrote:
Thank you for your generous help, much appreciated.

I think she was mostly just asking what the “dark patterns” were… But I certainly enjoyed watching the look on her face while she tried to figure out if she just accidentally got volunteered to help. Big Smile

DavidEF
DavidEF's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 06/05/2014 - 06:00
Posts: 7138
Location: Salisbury, North Carolina, USA
ToyKeeper wrote:
DB Custom wrote:
Thank you for your generous help, much appreciated.

I think she was mostly just asking what the “dark patterns” were… But I certainly enjoyed watching the look on her face while she tried to figure out if she just accidentally got volunteered to help. Big Smile


I would have loved to see her face. Shocked !!!
.
. Big Smile Thumbs Up

The Cycle of Goodness: “No one prospers without rendering benefit to others”
- The YKK Philosophy

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

Hoop is clearly out of his element. We need to get scientists involved.

And it would seem that Venia is queen of the lurkers. Big Smile

Venia
Venia's picture
Offline
Last seen: 3 months 2 weeks ago
Joined: 05/03/2017 - 19:16
Posts: 2
Location: fort collins colorado

Hoop wrote:
Hoop is clearly out of his element. We need to get scientists involved.

And it would seem that Venia is queen of the lurkers. Big Smile

I shall wear my crown in privacy! Crown

I totally understand being out of your element though.

I’d be up for learning more along with you Hoop, but truth be told, I’m not entirely sure what it would entail.

I'm a Communication / Anthropology researcher, and an aspiring online community manager so I can't wait to learn from you all!

contactcr
Offline
Last seen: 5 hours 44 min ago
Joined: 05/19/2017 - 18:52
Posts: 1889
Location: US
Venia wrote:
I am the “researcher” in question if you can call me that (it’s a tad too generous). The above social currency metrics are my current research targets and I am super interested in what you think is missing in them.

I would say it is missing something. I wont define it but I will try to describe it as I see it. However, maybe these are related to your other points in some deeper way that requires acronyms before or after your name.

Depending on your audience/content I think it also helps to have one or more of these:

relatable (think younger generation youtube/twitch/streaming)
inspirational (fitness/religion/facebook/political)
attractive (instagram)

mattlward
mattlward's picture
Offline
Last seen: 11 hours 42 min ago
Joined: 06/19/2015 - 09:20
Posts: 2355
Location: Illinois, USA

Ok guys and gals… I would really like to see this effort go into production. As I stated, I have a beta unit. Hoop asked me to use it and to provide any feedback that I might have. We discussed top and bottom modes, mode counts, ramping, magnets, pocket clips and finish over the duration of use. I have carried this one pretty often to work over the last nearly 2 months. It has been dropped, it has been run hard and is no worse for the wear. I did not even melt it’s face off!

This just gets dropped in my jeans pocket with change, finger nail clippers and pens. It has survived very well. It now lives on my desk at work, gets lots of looks from flashlight newbies… when I turn it on high, the general question is OMG how is it so bright?

Sorry for the crappy phone pics.


EDC rotation:
Convoy S2+, 6*7135, XM-L2 3D, 10 degree TIR, PilotDog lighted tailcap.
Convoy S2+, H17F, XM-L2 4C, lighted tailcap
Zebralight SC52w-L2
Zebralight SC62w
Olight S1A
Olight S1R

RobertB
RobertB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 56 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2015 - 17:49
Posts: 3182
Location: USA, Michigan

Post it on Instagram and hashtag all the flashlight sites. Start a FB group and point the instagram to that group. I sold 200 custom Ti-Lans in a month doing that.

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

Those would be tasks for me to accomplish. Thumbs Up

hank
hank's picture
Offline
Last seen: 7 hours 6 min ago
Joined: 09/04/2011 - 21:52
Posts: 8037
Location: Berkeley, California

Lawd, that’s gorgeous. I want one.

Tixx
Offline
Last seen: 10 hours 58 min ago
Joined: 08/27/2015 - 22:34
Posts: 240
Location: United States

If modes change (my personal moonlight request), please make moonlight 0.5 lumens or less since there are 6 modes. I backed for 1 already. Very nice!

BlueSwordM
BlueSwordM's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 46 min ago
Joined: 11/29/2017 - 12:34
Posts: 4564
Location: Canada

Rather than just saying domestically produced, I would rather say:

Each light is custom made and hand built by me, using domestically produced components where possible, and being built in the USA

And to the title, if you can change it, you should say

DARKSIDRE| NYMPH

A miniature high output flashlight designed for pocket carry, made in the USA!

I know this is your project, but I want to help you out reach your goal Smile

My very own high current Beryllium Copper springs Gen 3:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67401
Liitokala Aliexpress Stores Battery Fraud: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/60547

RobertB
RobertB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 56 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2015 - 17:49
Posts: 3182
Location: USA, Michigan
Hoop wrote:
Those would be tasks for me to accomplish. Thumbs Up

I just posted in Flashlight Fanatics on FB for you. Looks like a few more backers joined in

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

Hey thanks Robert. Sushi Sushi Sushi

RobertB
RobertB's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 56 min ago
Joined: 12/18/2015 - 17:49
Posts: 3182
Location: USA, Michigan

You need to add Australia to “ship to” countries on kickstarter

nick779
nick779's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 50 min ago
Joined: 03/09/2018 - 15:46
Posts: 294
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Just a few questions.

What are thermals like at ~300 lumens and the level one lower?

Why an ATtiny13? Wouldn’t some sort of temp regulation be worthwhile based on the answer above?

Also, I’d be very happy if the light was a few mm longer and had a magnet, but that is by no means a deal breaker.

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

Ok thanks. Switzerland too and some other non EU countries. Can’t just add them though. Have to make new reward categories.

Hoop
Hoop's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 22 sec ago
Joined: 12/20/2012 - 05:33
Posts: 930
Location: Spokane, WA

nick779 wrote:
Just a few questions.

What are thermals like at ~300 lumens and the level one lower?

Why an ATtiny13? Wouldn’t some sort of temp regulation be worthwhile based on the answer above?

Also, I’d be very happy if the light was a few mm longer and had a magnet, but that is by no means a deal breaker.

With a fresh cell mode 5 at ~300 lumens starts to get pretty warm at 2 minutes if you aren’t touching it. If you use your “meatsink” and switch hands often it can be run continuously without getting to hot to hold, but almost does. If your hands are cold it’s no problem. Measured 258 lumens at 4 minutes, 235 at 7 minutes and getting cool. Stopped test. Mode 4 only ever gets warm.

The driver development has been an iterative process. Tiny13a-mmu is 3×3mm 10mlf package. The more capable mcu’s are 20QFN package which is 4×4mm and a tighter squeeze, but doable. I have Tiny25, etc. drivers just about ready for fabrication now and they may end up in the light, in which case it will gain thermal regulation. Tiny13a can do thermal regulation but requires an external thermistor, and the protection would be basic mode reduction rather than something more complex. This was the plan for rev2 of the driver but now I’m probably moving to the more capable mcus which have on chip temperature sensors.

A magnet will most likely end up in the production light.

shirnask
shirnask's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 21 min ago
Joined: 03/21/2016 - 23:58
Posts: 852
Location: Louisiana
Hoop wrote:
……… A magnet will most likely end up in the production light.
Thumbs Up
nick779
nick779's picture
Offline
Last seen: 12 hours 50 min ago
Joined: 03/09/2018 - 15:46
Posts: 294
Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Hoop wrote:
nick779 wrote:
Just a few questions.

What are thermals like at ~300 lumens and the level one lower?

Why an ATtiny13? Wouldn’t some sort of temp regulation be worthwhile based on the answer above?

Also, I’d be very happy if the light was a few mm longer and had a magnet, but that is by no means a deal breaker.

With a fresh cell mode 5 at ~300 lumens starts to get pretty warm at 2 minutes if you aren’t touching it. If you use your “meatsink” and switch hands often it can be run continuously without getting to hot to hold, but almost does. If your hands are cold it’s no problem. Measured 258 lumens at 4 minutes, 235 at 7 minutes and getting cool. Stopped test. Mode 4 only ever gets warm.

The driver development has been an iterative process. Tiny13a-mmu is 3×3mm 10mlf package. The more capable mcu’s are 20QFN package which is 4×4mm and a tighter squeeze, but doable. I have Tiny25, etc. drivers just about ready for fabrication now and they may end up in the light, in which case it will gain thermal regulation. Tiny13a can do thermal regulation but requires an external thermistor, and the protection would be basic mode reduction rather than something more complex. This was the plan for rev2 of the driver but now I’m probably moving to the more capable mcus which have on chip temperature sensors.

A magnet will most likely end up in the production light.

!{width:30%}https://i.imgur.com/8OJHNic.jpg!

Very cool Hoop, its incredible how small that driver is. Sounds like that mode level is pretty good too considering it it varies based on cell voltage. (320lm -> 235)

Im already sold because owning a “custom” light has been growing higher on my list, and what better than to support a KS by a BLF member. I just pledged in today.

What exactly does:

Quote:
[8+ cycles to 30 seconds]

mean?

8+ cycles for a 30 second full turbo timer then it steps down?

DB Custom
DB Custom's picture
Offline
Last seen: 4 hours 38 min ago
Joined: 01/13/2013 - 22:28
Posts: 19884
Location: Heart of Texas

Soft start is easier on the electronics and emitter as well as being easier on our eyes. Turbo or level 6 can do 700 lumens on a fresh cell, it will sort of ease into that brightness instead of slamming full brightness, hence soft start. At about 30 seconds it will gently ramp down to protect the light ftom getting too hot. You have to keep in mind this entire light is about the size of your pinky finger and the cell is AAA sized.

Bistro uses a soft start when cycling through the modes, most appreciate it, some don’t particularly care for it. Makes a lot of sense in a light this size for sure.

Yeah, these little 10mm shirt button sized drivers are fun to build! Sick

Pages