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Medium sized throwers

I compiled some data on medium sized throwers available or upcoming. That is:

  • larger than C8
  • single 18650-26650
  • at most 75 mm head diameter
Light reviews type min price (*3) cell charger weight empty weight loaded size LED claimed lm claimed throw tested kcd
Maxtoch M2 Archer 1 reflector $60 18650 - 130g 178g 48×135mm SST-40 2000 90kcd/600m 75
Maxtoch M1 Archer 1 reflector $60 18650 - 138g 186g 48×145mm DD SST-40 1650 160kcd/800m 162
Lumintop GT Mini 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 reflector $31.3 18650 - 150g 198g 50×132mm XP-L HI 1200 135kcd/750m 106 117 121 125 138 145 148 170
Emisar D1S 1 2 3 reflector $35 18650 - 151g 199g 50×127mm XP-L HI 1300 130kcd/720m 124 124 132
Countryman B1 aspheric zoomie $43 18650 - 165g 213g 49×127mm XP-L 1000
Nitecore P30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 reflector $46.5 18650 - 167-168g 215g 50x141-143mm XP-L HI 1000 95kcd/619m 92 95 95 107 112 136
Manker U22 1 reflector $64.4 21700 type C 183g 252g 51×140mm XHP35 HI 1500 65kcd/509m
Thrunite Catapult V6 1 2 3 4 5 reflector $67.5 26650 micro USB / 2A 192g 288g 58×132mm XHP35 HI 1700 140kcd/750m 151 155 170 185 195
Olight M2X-UT Javelot 1 2 3 4 5 6 reflector $147 18650 - 218g 264g 63×163mm DD XP-L 1020 164kcd/810m 171 195 196
Dereelight NM800-4S 1 aspheric zoomie $100 18650 - 225g 300g 53×160mm DD XP-G2 106kcd/650m 130+
Acebeam T27 1 reflector $160 21700 type C, powerbank / 2A 230g 309g 70×175mm XHP35 HI 2500 348kcd/1180m 335 340
Dereelight DBS-5S 1 reflector $56 18650 - 233g 281g 48×178mm DD XP-G2 63
Brinyte B158/B158B 1 2 3 4 aspheric zoomie $27.5 18650 - 249/241g 298g/289g 54×145mm XP-L HI 900 54kcd/460m 113
Maeerxu M8 1 reflector $30 26650(*1) micro USB 255g 351g 54×142mm XP-L HI 1200 160kcd/800m 101 120
On The Road X5 Pro reflector $55.3 26650 micro USB / 2A 258g 354g 60×143mm XP-L HD 1100 31kcd/350m
Cometa Clone aspheric zoomie 26650 - 260g 308g 53×130mm XP-L HI 1300 198kcd/890m
Astrolux FT02 / Mateminco T02 1 2 3 reflector $4x.99 21700 micro USB / 1A 264g 333g 58.5×155mm XHP35 HI 2200 180kcd/850m 139 140 156 188
Uniquefire UF-1503 aspheric zoomie $33.3 18650 - 270g 318g 54×144mm XM-L2 1200
Amutorch TC500 reflector $37.3 21700 - 280g 349g ?x218mm XP-L HI / SST-40 / Luxeon V 2200
Manker U21 1 2 3 4 5 6 reflector 26650 micro USB / 2A 290g 386g 59×148mm XHP35 HI 1300 124kcd/700m 79 96 120 121 127
Astrolux FT03 / Mateminco MT35 Mini 1 reflector $28 26650 type C / 2A 295g 364g 69.5×170mm SST-40 2400 190kcd/875m
Uniquefire UF-1508 53mm aspheric zoomie $39 18650 - 296g(*2) 344g(*2) 53×155mm XM-L2 1200
Lumintop ODL20C 1 2 3 4 5 6 reflector $50 26650 type C / 2A 300g 396g 59×148mm XHP35 HI 2000 185kcd/860m 192 205 212
Utorch UT02 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 reflector $29 26650 micro USB / 2A 306g 402g 59×151mm XHP35 HI 1300 124kcd/700m 60 75 84 95 98 100 105 136
Amutorch JM70 II 1 2 3 reflector $40 26650 magnetic 311g 407g 72×173mm XP-L HI 1200 264kcd/1027m 205 216 230
Jaxman X1s 1 2 reflector $45 26650 - 325g 421g 60×160mm XHP35 HI 1300 40kcd/400m
Dereelight Xsearcher-4S 1 aspheric zoomie $115 18650 - 330g 378g 70×176mm DD XP-G2 202kcd/900m 250+
Convoy L2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 reflector $20.8 26650 - 370g 466g 65×173mm XP-L HI 1100 139 142
Uniquefire UF-1508 70mm aspheric zoomie $42.8 18650 - 422g(*2) 470g(*2) 70×175mm XM-L2 1200
Uniquefire UF-1504 aspheric zoomie $25.6 26650 - 470g 566g 71×160mm XM-L2 1200

(*1) Many common 26650 cells don’t fit
(*2) Including extension tube
(*3) Minimum price that:

  • I’ve seen reported, not necessarily the lowest ever
  • Contains shipping

I welcome help in filling out the blanks. And corrections.
What other lights deserve a mention?

UPDATE 2018-11-06:

  • Added links to lights. Still missing somewhat official link to B158B and Maeerxu M8. Suggestions on what to do with them?
  • added 170 kcd measurement of Catapult V6

UPDATE 2018-11-06:

  • Added On The Road X5 Pro
  • Added 4 Uniquefire zoomies
  • Added a number of measurements

UPDATE 2018-11-14:

  • Extra measurements of Utorch UT02 and Lumintop ODL20C
  • Added links to reviews
  • Removed BLF UI column
  • Added light lengths
  • Added a more reasonably-looking weight of Convoy L2

UPDATE 2018-11-16:

  • Added throw distance
  • minor fixes

UPDATE 2018-11-19:

  • Added Dereelights, Countryman B1
  • minor improvements

UPDATE 2018-12-10:

  • Corrected performance numbers for Maxtoch M2
  • Added a couple of measurements and reviews
  • Corrected Dereelight NM800-4S weight. A typo on Dereelight site? It’s actually 225 not 252 g.

UPDATE 2018-12-28:

  • Added a number of reviews, measurements and size/weight corrections

UPDATE 2019-01-10:

  • Added Jaxman X1s
  • Changed semantics of the price column, so I may be able to finally populate it
  • Added the first independent measurement on Astrolux FT02

UPDATE 2019-01-11:

  • Added prices to most items

UPDATE 2019-01-15:

  • Added Astrolux FT03
  • Added charging currents where I found them

UPDATE 2019-02-20:

  • Added Amutorch TC500
  • Added charging currents where I found them
Edited by: Agro on 03/19/2019 - 08:34
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You could also add an Olight M2X

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Done Smile

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What about the Cometa/Z1/ThatLightWhichShallNotBeNamed?

Anyone ever test its kcd straight out of the tin?

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Initially I intended to do reflector only, but why not…
I added ThatLightWhichShallNotBeNamed and B158B.
I didn’t add Cometa because I’m not aware of any seller offering it.
I didn’t add Z1 because stock it’s not really a thrower….or am I wrong?

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The Z1 and Cometa (ie, unnamed clone) are essentially the same design, only the Jax uses a better lens and has some extra parts or something.

But they should be at least comparable.

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I appreciate the list. I like me some throwers….
I have the lumintop GT Mini and the Lumintop ODL20c, emissar D1S.
I also have the Olight Javelot M3mx and it’s not on there (bummer)
Neither is my Thrunite TN32UT (bummer again).

Plan on adding to the list?

And BTW, the Amutorch JM70 II is now on my to-buy list. Thanks for costing me $$$
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Another oldie but goodie.
My Imalent. DN35 26650 battery
With the DN 70 throwing even further I believe.

Mine cost $46 on coupon last yr. I take it on new walks
as it covers more than the C8T for looking around.

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That JM70 must be a monster to be that good with an XP-L HI emmiter. Outperforms a lot of XHP35 HI lights. May have to see about grabbing one on sale.
Anyone like to share their thoughts after owning one?

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Lightbringer wrote:
The Z1 and Cometa (ie, unnamed clone) are essentially the same design, only the Jax uses a better lens and has some extra parts or something.

But they should be at least comparable.


Yeah, but Jaxman offers shorty Z1 only with XHP50 and XHP50.2. Technically not a single cell, but size-wise OK; with a throwy emitter it would make it to the list.
There’s also XM-L2 variant, but it’s 2*26650. And that may be called a thrower, but the LED choice shows that it’s not really dedicated to that task…
Am I missing something? Is what I say controversial?
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wstrachan wrote:
I also have the Olight Javelot M3mx and it’s not on there (bummer)
Neither is my Thrunite TN32UT (bummer again).

One needs to set cut-offs somewhere. On the small side I was really tempted to include Acebeam L16. It wouldn’t be the least throwy light on the list. But then I would have to include lots and lots of other lights that are of similar size…
On the large side, I considered setting limits on:
  • number of cells
  • head diameter
  • empty weight
  • loaded weight

Number of cells matched my feeling of what a medium sized thrower is the most.
Olight Javelot M3mx doesn’t have the largest head. Unloaded weight isn’t the highest either. But length and loaded weight make it a large light to me….and Thrunite TN32UT is a beast. Wink

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That’s a useful list.

Just one thought, I think either Lumintop GT Mini should be removed from the list (as it’s smaller than C8) or the specs should change to something like “about the size of C8 or bigger” (that would be my vote) instead of “larger than C8”.

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Acebeam L16 and Utorch UT02.

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Macka17 wrote:
Another oldie but goodie.
My Imalent. DN35 26650 battery
With the DN 70 throwing even further I believe.

Mine cost $46 on coupon last yr. I take it on new walks
as it covers more than the C8T for looking around.


Thank you for the suggestion.
Just took a look….just like Acebeam L16 I would be very tempted to add DN35 to the list as the claimed 90 kcd is really nice and not even the lowest on the list. But it’s smaller than C8 and then I’d have to add a score of other lights as well…
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Aleister wrote:
That’s a useful list.

Just one thought, I think either Lumintop GT Mini should be removed from the list (as it’s smaller than C8) or the specs should change to something like “about the size of C8 or bigger” (that would be my vote) instead of “larger than C8”.


Lumintop GT Mini has 50 mm head, C8 has ~45 mm. Though C8 is shorter.

ADDED:
If I added “about the size of C8” lights, I would still have to define some lower size limit. There will always be lights that are just a little smaller, but good performers….

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BrySig228 wrote:
Acebeam L16 and Utorch UT02.

Thanks for the suggestions. UT02 is already on the list. As I explained 2 minutes before you posted L16 would fit the list nicely but such addition would expand the list greatly due to the richness of the about-C8-sized-thrower ecosystem.
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Wowtac A4 ?

Nice list you got going

What about claimed distance column?

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Excellent list, very useful, especially the links to tested lux figures.

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OTR X5 Pro

Regular XP-L or XM-L2 emitters don’t make for the best thrower but the dimensions definitely fit the bill.

That's just like . . . your opinion man.

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Gotcha on the size thing. The tested lux figures are very helpful as we all know manufacturers embellish (and some are refreshingly conservative but rare).
I had no idea the Amutorch JM70II performs as well as it does so that was helpful.
Thanks again AGRO!

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Nice!!

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Ragsy wrote:
Wowtac A4 ?

It’s dual cell and quite long…

Ragsy wrote:
What about claimed distance column?

I considered that. In a way I find it redundant – because it can be calculated from throw.
In a way I find it useful – because some of us are used to operating on kcd, some on throw, some on both. This would make the list more comprehensive for some users. OTOH too much data becomes confusing.
I for this reason I consider removing the “BLF UI” column.
BLFers, what do you think?
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TheDude wrote:
OTR X5 Pro

Regular XP-L or XM-L2 emitters don’t make for the best thrower but the dimensions definitely fit the bill.


Added it to the list, thanks for the pointer.
I hesitated to do that because throw is really bad compared to the others here.
But is it a thrower? Certainly not a flooder. Not intermediate beam (which I call floower) either.
Do dimensions fit the pack? They do.
So it’s listed.
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great thread! i think it would be useful to include whether they include some form of current control as this makes a fairly big difference to real world use and for example is a big difference between the p30 and the GT mini / d1s. that’s just me though.

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This list needs pictures!

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anycolourfloyd wrote:
great thread! i think it would be useful to include whether they include some form of current control as this makes a fairly big difference to real world use and for example is a big difference between the p30 and the GT mini / d1s. that’s just me though.

Frankly, I’ve been thinking about that as well, but didn’t really get to implementing it. I think I’ll add a column with driver type later…
AlexGT wrote:
This list needs pictures!

I like that idea! But I have no idea how to add them w/out affecting readability…
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I silently made a number of updates to the list in the last few days.

Removed:

  • BLF UI column

Added:

  • more lights
  • more measurements
  • review links
  • claimed throw distance
  • flashlight length

I’m about to add many missing throwers, mainly older ones from:

  • Eagletac
  • Klarus
  • Sunwayman
  • Acebeam
  • Solarforce
  • Fenix

But that M25C2 Turbo doesn’t really feel “medium sized”.
I feel I need to adjust the definition. And I feel that adding an upper limit on head diameter is the right way of doing so.
I feel that Amutorch JM70 II at 72 mm is still medium sized, so I’d set probably something north of that. As JM70 has the largest diameter of all lights listed so far that would not result in anything being evicted from the list.

Would an upper limit of 75 mm be consistent with others’ feelings of what “medium size” is?

At the lower end I also have doubts. I already said that I would be tempted to enlist Acebeam L16, but don’t want to open the pandora box of C8-like lights. But is an inclusion of a light with head size 2 mm larger than C8 and XM-L2 really beneficial? This would make me consider moving the minimal size up to 50 mm. But those Archers are really outstanding performers and deserve listing. 48 mm limit? Quite arbitrary, isn’t it? And actually includes an underdriven 30 kcd Klarus XTQ2.
So maybe I should set a lower limit on throw instead of on size? 90 kcd? That would remove Manker U22 from the list (why does it throw so bad?). Acebeam L16, Astrolux C8 would be included. I don’t know whether I should keep some zoomies for which I lack throw data. It would no longer be a list of medium size throwers, should probably be renamed somehow.
Thoughts?

Also, I’m really not happy with the “lowest price ever” column. Because I severely lack data to fill it. I don’t want to change that to the listed price as it doesn’t really provide any information. For some lights one struggles to buy 20% cheaper, for others 60% is frequent.
Suggestions?

I have some further plans to improve the list, but I can’t promise to deliver them.
I’d like to remove the “type” column and in the “Light” one – add a photo below the name. A photo that shows the optics, so type can be deduced.

I have some sustainability worries. Work on it is takes major effort, I may not be able to continue doing it forever. I believe that making it editable to wider public could be beneficial, but at the same I’m not sure what would be a good way to do this or if there are really any people interested in editing it.
Comments?

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Or maybe I should stop striving to include all medium sized throwers and decide that lights which are larger than C8 yet fail to outthrow (Astrolux) C8 are simply uninteresting?
That would be controversial with Manker U21 which is on the edge, but I could keep it because some measurements show it as throwier than the Astrolux. Wink
Also, I lack throw data for quite a few lights; this reduces applicability of this rule.
But it would really help avoid adding outdated stuff to the list while keeping it size-based.

BTW it’s funny that according to the specs, that huge m25c2 throws just 6.5% farther than Acebeam L16 despite being 2.3 times larger. It’s barely throwier than Astrolux C8.

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Agro wrote:
maybe I should set a lower limit on throw instead of on size?
Agro wrote:
Or maybe I should stop striving to include all medium sized throwers and decide that lights which are larger than C8 yet fail to outthrow (Astrolux) C8 are simply uninteresting?

Yes to both points but an exception should be made for commonly modded lights.

That is my reason for following the thread. I am more interested in looking through the list for modding potential. If you can double the kcd easily (and I dont mean throw a black/white flat in and call it a thrower all the sudden). If you can put a commonly available driver in without messing with glue and custom heat sinks it should be considered based on its potential kcd.

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Agro wrote:
I have some sustainability worries. Work on it is takes major effort, I may not be able to continue doing it forever. I believe that making it editable to wider public could be beneficial, but at the same I’m not sure what would be a good way to do this or if there are really any people interested in editing it.
Comments?

Take a wikipedia approach? Ie, let others edit it, but be able to revert back in case someone screws it up (or intentionally sabotages it).

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Very useful table. I think you copied the throw data from the Maxtoch M1 to the M2. M2 throws less.

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