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Emisar 21700!!!

sorry….couldn’t resist the click bait title. but now that your here….

would you buy an emisar w/21700 battery?

maybe we can get enough interest shown to make it happen.

I have the D4, D4S, and D1. love them all. wouldn’t mind another in the new battery.

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I certainly would. Lets hope they have something in the pipeline.

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Hank never did requests from BLF so a thread like this could be pointless. He is a flashoholic himself and figures out interesting flashlights to make on his own.
The title is indeed click baity.

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Oh, they did not make one. That’s good to hear. My wallet got scared, when I read the title Big Smile

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mihlit wrote:
Oh, they did not make one. That’s good to hear. My wallet got scared, when I read the title Big Smile

Mine too
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I like my chunky D4S. But I would buy a 21700 version too Big Smile

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I ordered a FF PL47 but would buy an emisar if offered in this format

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Since 26650 and 21700 cells are in a similar ballpark for mAh, which one do you (anyone) think will be the one to get the most R&D work in the future to make one take the lead?

I’m thinking from a consumer standpoint as well as a manufacturer.

For a consumer, we’ve obviously got to deal with what’s available, but to look back over the last year, there have been a good number of 21700-equipped lights that have or are being developed. It seems that they went quickly from “Yeah, they’re used in Teslas.” to “Which high-output light do I want to buy today?” I’d guess that more will become available because it’s slimmer than a 26650 for a similar amount of power. Then again, I like the feel of the 26650 lights I have. Maybe it’s because they have a similar size to the venerable Maglight. They don’t need recharging often and my Shockli cells are solid performers (if they fit in the light, that is).

For a manufacturer, they’ve got to consider form factor (the extra size over an 18650) and the availability. I don’t know about the availability for larger orders but if a larger manufacturer were to decide on using something different than an 18650, I’d guess that they would want to know that they (or the customer) could easily get their hands on them and offer several choices (mAh, high drain, protected or not).

There’s obviously a lot I don’t know about them or other industries that use these cells so the point may be moot. Maybe the flashlight industry isn’t big enough to drive these kinds of decisions and has to use whatever they can get or follow the decisions of another completely different industry.

For me, I don’t often use a light with a cell smaller than an 18650. My Emisar D4 is small enough to carry easily. My new Sofirn SC31 is smallish and handy and I’ve been using it a lot, even though it’s not what you would call high powered. I am still interested in the FW3A, not necessarily for the potential power, but for the small size and the nice price. Still, I’m getting excited about single cell lights that might be a bit bigger, but pump out some stellar lumens or can run for a looooooong time at more sane levels. (D4S or the soon to be released Fireflies E07 or maybe a Wuben with a XHP70.2)

Bottom line: it’s good to be shopping for a new light right about now!

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I don’t need a 21700 light, but I could be lured into buying a 21700 Emisar.

I have the D4 and D1S and don’t really want to get back into 26650s, so that might be a good option if the price was kept more towards the D4 than the D4S. I’ve got a lot of 18650s and don’t see the personal need to switch over to the bigger cell.

I carry lipstick lights everyday, so that’s where I’m coming from and they’ve been more than adequate for this city slicker.

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Given the E07 with 21700 and 7x emitters, it should outperform the D4S a good amount. Hopefully Emisar will come out with something different. Maybe a 21700 upgraded thrower with White Flat

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PBWilson wrote:
There’s obviously a lot I don’t know about them or other industries that use these cells so the point may be moot. Maybe the flashlight industry isn’t big enough to drive these kinds of decisions and has to use whatever they can get or follow the decisions of another completely different industry.

The vaping industry immediately adopted the 21700 formats when the Ijoy battery show up, there are way more vaping gear using 21700 than flashlights now.
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21700 doesn’t interest me. I invested in a bunch of 18650 cells already and they will last many years before failing.

So 21700 has more capacity…great but most current lights have inefficient drivers so I can stick with my 18650s and simply wait for better flashlights to get more runtime.

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varbos wrote:
21700 doesn’t interest me. I invested in a bunch of 18650 cells already and they will last many years before failing.

So 21700 has more capacity…great but most current lights have inefficient drivers so I can stick with my 18650s and simply wait for better flashlights to get more runtime.


That’s been pretty much my same POV for a long while, but I do like, for example, the 21700 version of the C8F, because to use a high-draw cell in it properly, any 18650 would likely be 2800mAH at best, while the 21700 is almost double that.

And it just looks better, given the bigger head. An 18650 tube on a C8-type light just looks kinda skinny on it. At least the thicker tube from the 21700 gives it a bit more “balance”.

And I can always drop in an 18650 even without the sleeve.

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Glad I clicked……

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I want 21700 + D4 UI + boost Big Smile

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Just make new battery tubes that are threaded to use the original head and tailpiece.

Yeah, the big problem with li-ions is how low their capacity is compared to alkalines.

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hank wrote:
Just make new battery tubes that are threaded to use the original head and tailpiece.
This. I think someone on this forum even converted their D4 to use 21700 just by boring out the stock battery tube.

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Yeah, the big problem with li-ions is how low their capacity is compared to alkalines.
Actually if you compare the capacity of different battery types, li-ions hold considerably more energy than alkalines.

Energy is measure in watts.

Watts = Voltage * Amps

A lithium ion cell might have fewer amps than an alkaline or eneloop, but may still hold substantially more energy because the voltage is higher.

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maba wrote:
I want 21700 + D4 UI + boost Big Smile

+1. My dream light.

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Um no…Whatever it would be don’t use the current D4, it doesn’t even have RVP.

How about a quad with aux LEDs, copper head, that limited blue color, and 3000k LEDs. Cha Ching!

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nokoff wrote:
Um no…Whatever it would be don’t use the current D4, it doesn’t even have RVP.

How about a quad with aux LEDs, copper head, that limited blue color, and 3000k LEDs. Cha Ching!

I’m not sold on the copper head. I have the copper-titanium D4. It looks beautiful and feels great in the hand.

But it’s sooo heavy. I feel it bumping around in my pocket due to the weight. It’s heavy enough that it actually caused a pen I had in my pocket with the light and my keys to drill a hole through the bottom of my pocket. That doesn’t happen with ligher weight lights.

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Hmm… I EDC a D4s, so the added width of a 26650 isn’t a big deal. But I really like the size of my EC65 and I wouldn’t mind more lights in that size.

The other issue is a lot of “tube” lights try to keep the reflector the same size as the battery tube so there isn’t a jarring transition (D1S). A 26650 light would allow a larger reflector resulting in more throw, but once again 21700 lights are slimmer and have I mentioned I really enjoy the size of my EC65?

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So… Sofirn SP33?

Tomato-paste can (vs sodypop-can) light that takes a 26650.

All the fancies like a lighted side-switch, battery indicator, etc.

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varbos wrote:
So 21700 has more capacity…great but most current lights have inefficient drivers so I can stick with my 18650s and simply wait for better flashlights to get more runtime.

Does a 21700 light really need a new driver?
The 18650 drivers (can be ) fine. If higher turbo is needed take 26650 driver.

For me personally it’s about the extra runtime. Not the extra lumens.

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Flashlights: BLF Q8 4/5, DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
Powerbanks: EasyAcc 26800 mAh 3/5, Xtar PB2 4/5.
Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs. Xtar powerbank that (also) takes 20700, 21700, 26650

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Impossible to answer that question without all details.

I’m always looking for the ideal runtime vs output vs size ratio.
A light with big head I won’t even spend $1 on. (my 26650 light is more compact than many 18650’s)
Runtime is another big deal for me.

While nice lights (looked seriously at the 18650 version) it seems to be geared to much to a turbo monster which is of less intrest for me.

Chargers: 1xBasen BD01 5/5, 1x Gyrfalcon All-88, LiitoKala: 3x100 4/5, 2x202 5/5, 1x402 3/5., MiBoxer C4-12 3/5.
Flashlights: BLF Q8 4/5, DQG Tiny III 26650 5/5, FiTorch MR35 3/5, Haikelite SC26 HD 3/5, Lumintop Tool AA/AAA 4/5, Nitecore LA10, Sofirn C01 BLF 3200k/5600k, Zebralight H600Fc 3/5.
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Waiting for: (DQG Tiny) 21700 EDCs. Xtar powerbank that (also) takes 20700, 21700, 26650

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21700 tube with a pocket clip for the D4S…yes, please!

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I asked Hank and he doesn’t have any plan for a 21700 cell tube

It would be very easy to make one that threads on the D4S head, though

I don’t like the E07 so I think I’ll stick with my D4S

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Would love to see a 21700 tube for the emisar series!! Now I´m thinking firefly, though I´m happy with my 2 D4´s and the D1s…