Review: Olight S1R Baton II Cu Limited Edition (Copper, 1x16340, EDC, Rechargeable)

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Review: Olight S1R Baton II Cu Limited Edition (Copper, 1x16340, EDC, Rechargeable)

I received the S1R Baton II Cu Eternal from Olight for the review. The light shares the design with the regular S1R Baton II but the Eternal version is made out of copper and is a limited version that comes also with a more exclusive packaging.

The light comes in this box as you can see I got the one with 12 as serial number opening the box. Please note that the S1R II Baton Eternal is in a vacuum sealed plastic bag to prevent oxidation and preserve the finishing. The Eternal comes with this nice card. Please note that I am writing the review and editing the pictures of this review on a TV screen and not my regular monitor. This, plus the super shiny finishing on the S1R Eternal can have slightly different color in different pictures. For what I can tell you, the color of the copper used for the S1R is very light, almost pink. The Eternal comes withmanual, lanyard, charging cable, battery. The Eternal in all its shining beauty. The charging cable is the same of the regular S1R Baton II, with the same connector on the tailcap of the Eternal. Same 2 part construction too here is side to side with the regular aluminum S1R Baton II. If you are looking for more info on the Eternal, I suggest to check my previous review on the S1R Baton II. The S1R Baton II Cu Eternal limited edition can be purchased on www.olightstore.com And you can benefit of OlightStore’s Black Friday promotions: 1. If you register an account at www.olightstore.com, you can add a free I3E to your cart during our entire Black Friday Sale! This is the highest quality keychain light beam in the industry! 2.During the same time period, we are releasing the S1R Baton II in 4 titanium colors representing the 4 seasons and a raw solid copper Eternal version. These are limited edition collector pieces at 30% off The perfect Christmas gift is waiting for you! Sale date is 11/22 6:00 PM EST. – 11/24 12:00 AM EST.

Thanks to: AntoLed, Zampa.

All my reviews, in italian and english, here: Lumenreviews.com

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I have an S10, S1, and S-Mini. I’ve been following Olight’s designs for a while.

On the one hand, I want to like Olight’s new generation of lights. It finally has a battery check function, and the built-in charging seems nice too. On the other hand, that knurling, the new clip, and the 6500K emitters are more than enough to ensure I won’t buy any.

I think the best thing Olight ever made was the S-Mini Ti. With that generation of lights, they got the host design nearly perfect. But there was never an aluminum one with NW emitter, which is what I really wanted. And it seems like things have been downhill since then. The new S2R II is even worse, with a 7500K emitter and a dysfunctional non-reversible reversible clip which doesn’t match the host.

But at Olight’s peak, the S-Mini series was quite nice. The copper one makes good patina:

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I think the special editions S1R II have NW and even 1 warm white, just like the S Mini.

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EDCba wrote:
I think the special editions S1R II have NW and even 1 warm white, just like the S Mini.

Yes, the titanium version comes in WW, NW, NW, and CW, depending on the surface finish. The copper and aluminum versions are CW only.

The customer should be able to choose the type of metal and the tint, but most versions are only available in cold white. Personally, I want aluminum because it’s the lightest, cheapest, and it handles heat well, but if the tint is bad (CW) I won’t buy it.

Olight claims NW doesn’t sell so, for the most part, it doesn’t make NW lights. But NW Olights don’t sell very well because they only ever offer it on expensive special editions. It’s kind of self-defeating. I’m guessing that the new warm white bead-blasted titanium version is what Olight considers market research. And when it doesn’t sell well, Olight will probably decide nobody likes warm white, so they won’t offer it on any regular models. But really, all it reveals is that not many people are willing to buy $100 bead-blasted titanium lights with excessively aggressive knurling.

To get meaningful answers, change only one variable at a time… not everything all at once. Otherwise the factors get all conflated and useful conclusions can’t be made.

The previous generation had NW available in polished titanium, bead-blasted titanium, and rainbow PVD. But this time, NW is only available in rainbow PVD and yellow PVD. At a guess, the yellow one will probably sell badly and Olight will probably conclude the problem was the NW emitter, not the ugly yellow finish.

The bare polished titanium option isn’t even available in the latest generation, and it was probably the best one. Either it or rainbow PVD. Bead-blasted titanium looks nice at first, but it’s extremely easy to scratch.

At one point, there was also a steel version. Steel is generally very hard and can’t easily be scratched, so it can really hold up to abuse. It does this better than titanium, so it could have been pretty nice. I really like my steel Convoy light, and it still looks new after years of use. But the steel S-Mini was only made in cool white with PVD coating, so the beam was unappealing and the relatively soft coating defeated the whole point of using steel. To no one’s surprise, the latest generation doesn’t include a steel version.

The trend here is: Taking a good idea and then crippling it by entangling it with bad ideas. A.k.a. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It’s a common issue for most brands, but Olight seems unusually good at it.

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I’ll be getting the copper version on Black Friday. Olight copper goes up in price once it is sold out and I love copper. However, I actually only line shiny polished copper and not patina so need to figure out how to keep it shiny. I hope it is easy to get to the mcpcb so I can swap out the emitter later for a high CRI WW or NW emitter. Don’t like CW.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
EDCba wrote:
I think the special editions S1R II have NW and even 1 warm white, just like the S Mini.

Yes, the titanium version comes in WW, NW, NW, and CW, depending on the surface finish. The copper and aluminum versions are CW only.

The customer should be able to choose the type of metal and the tint, but most versions are only available in cold white. Personally, I want aluminum because it’s the lightest, cheapest, and it handles heat well, but if the tint is bad (CW) I won’t buy it.

Olight claims NW doesn’t sell so, for the most part, it doesn’t make NW lights. But NW Olights don’t sell very well because they only ever offer it on expensive special editions. It’s kind of self-defeating. I’m guessing that the new warm white bead-blasted titanium version is what Olight considers market research. And when it doesn’t sell well, Olight will probably decide nobody likes warm white, so they won’t offer it on any regular models. But really, all it reveals is that not many people are willing to buy $100 bead-blasted titanium lights with excessively aggressive knurling.

To get meaningful answers, change only one variable at a time… not everything all at once. Otherwise the factors get all conflated and useful conclusions can’t be made.

The previous generation had NW available in polished titanium, bead-blasted titanium, and rainbow PVD. But this time, NW is only available in rainbow PVD and yellow PVD. At a guess, the yellow one will probably sell badly and Olight will probably conclude the problem was the NW emitter, not the ugly yellow finish.

The bare polished titanium option isn’t even available in the latest generation, and it was probably the best one. Either it or rainbow PVD. Bead-blasted titanium looks nice at first, but it’s extremely easy to scratch.

At one point, there was also a steel version. Steel is generally very hard and can’t easily be scratched, so it can really hold up to abuse. It does this better than titanium, so it could have been pretty nice. I really like my steel Convoy light, and it still looks new after years of use. But the steel S-Mini was only made in cool white with PVD coating, so the beam was unappealing and the relatively soft coating defeated the whole point of using steel. To no one’s surprise, the latest generation doesn’t include a steel version.

The trend here is: Taking a good idea and then crippling it by entangling it with bad ideas. A.k.a. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It’s a common issue for most brands, but Olight seems unusually good at it.

They actually have NW versions of some regular lights, but they seem even rarer than “special edition” lights. I have a NW S1A, which seems to be sold out everywhere, while S Minis are still around. You’d think they’d take a hint from how well they sold Facepalm

Otherwise you’re stuck with the “high CRI” S1 Mini.

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TK, the emitters are fairly easy to change. I think the temperature is 6500 on the newer lights. I for one do not like 6500k, 5000k is about my cutoff. Most of mine are sporting XM-L2 4C’s and I am very happy with that tint. The new clip is fine on the aluminum body lights, very functional as well as the new knurl. That being said, it is perfect for a beater EDC, but not for a copper that will not get beaten up. I also have a soft spot for bare copper and pick up the Olights when I can.

EDC rotation:
FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
S2+, XM-L2 T6 4C

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I agree on the clip, you have this nice clip design which is well integrated into the host but then you don’t even color to match. It’s just a large eyesore. And why is the button surround and bezel blued; guessing stock parts bin stuff. For a small torch, it really comes up short.

Even if I could look past all that, which I can’t, it’s way too green of an emitter tint and I don’t swap emitters so it’s not getting bought.

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Olight sure has gotten some mileage off the S1, rehashing it several times. I found the original S1 Baton to be plenty, albeit that emitter.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
EDCba wrote:
I think the special editions S1R II have NW and even 1 warm white, just like the S Mini.

Yes, the titanium version comes in WW, NW, NW, and CW, depending on the surface finish. The copper and aluminum versions are CW only.

The customer should be able to choose the type of metal and the tint, but most versions are only available in cold white. Personally, I want aluminum because it’s the lightest, cheapest, and it handles heat well, but if the tint is bad (CW) I won’t buy it.

Olight claims NW doesn’t sell so, for the most part, it doesn’t make NW lights. But NW Olights don’t sell very well because they only ever offer it on expensive special editions. It’s kind of self-defeating. I’m guessing that the new warm white bead-blasted titanium version is what Olight considers market research. And when it doesn’t sell well, Olight will probably decide nobody likes warm white, so they won’t offer it on any regular models. But really, all it reveals is that not many people are willing to buy $100 bead-blasted titanium lights with excessively aggressive knurling.

To get meaningful answers, change only one variable at a time… not everything all at once. Otherwise the factors get all conflated and useful conclusions can’t be made.

The previous generation had NW available in polished titanium, bead-blasted titanium, and rainbow PVD. But this time, NW is only available in rainbow PVD and yellow PVD. At a guess, the yellow one will probably sell badly and Olight will probably conclude the problem was the NW emitter, not the ugly yellow finish.

The bare polished titanium option isn’t even available in the latest generation, and it was probably the best one. Either it or rainbow PVD. Bead-blasted titanium looks nice at first, but it’s extremely easy to scratch.

At one point, there was also a steel version. Steel is generally very hard and can’t easily be scratched, so it can really hold up to abuse. It does this better than titanium, so it could have been pretty nice. I really like my steel Convoy light, and it still looks new after years of use. But the steel S-Mini was only made in cool white with PVD coating, so the beam was unappealing and the relatively soft coating defeated the whole point of using steel. To no one’s surprise, the latest generation doesn’t include a steel version.

The trend here is: Taking a good idea and then crippling it by entangling it with bad ideas. A.k.a. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It’s a common issue for most brands, but Olight seems unusually good at it.

This is spot-on and why I have never bought one!

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To be fair, I really like the S-Mini Ti. And before that, the S1 Ti. They’re really nice.

I’m just annoyed that the new version went in directions I think are downhill.

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Your assessment is indeed spot on TK.

I had a S1 Ti because it was the only one available in NW (Al and Cu versions were only available in ugly CW), nice light, but sold it again because the mode changing was agonizingly slow.

The decisions made regarding not only the CCT but also the UI (which they seem to be changing for each new light) can seem a bit strange to a flashlight enthusiast. The strange proprietary battery is another one of those things (for me it's a no-go and the reason why the S1R II won't be bought by me).

Why, for example, is the i3E and i3T only available in ugly CW? I think the lights would have been a big hit if they had released them in NW (or even high CRI NW). The Luxeon TX they are using in those lights is available in all sorts of CCTs and CRI configurations, even 5700K with Ra >90 (I have swapped the emitter on my i3E to a TX with 4000K and Ra>85. The mod was a PITA, but the light now has a beautiful tint. It should have come right from the factory like this).

The sad conclusion that can be drawn from this is that the company isn't run, or rather the decisions don't seem to be made by flashlight enthusiasts, but by people who don't know or don't care much about flashlights.

As TK has noted Olight is not the only one affected by this phenomenon, other mainstream makers do this as well. The most common things are low CRI CW only, terrible mode spacing, annoying and unnecessary strobe modes and of course counterintuitive UIs.

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David Chow from 4sevens was chairman of the board of Olight last I had heard. He was the king of the angry green emitter in an otherwise nice torch. Drove many away. Seems very similar circumstances here.

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Thanks for the nice review Budda!

IMO the best copper Olight mini that was made up to today is the Klarus Mi1C.

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Lips wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
EDCba wrote:
I think the special editions S1R II have NW and even 1 warm white, just like the S Mini.

Yes, the titanium version comes in WW, NW, NW, and CW, depending on the surface finish. The copper and aluminum versions are CW only.

The customer should be able to choose the type of metal and the tint, but most versions are only available in cold white. Personally, I want aluminum because it’s the lightest, cheapest, and it handles heat well, but if the tint is bad (CW) I won’t buy it.

Olight claims NW doesn’t sell so, for the most part, it doesn’t make NW lights. But NW Olights don’t sell very well because they only ever offer it on expensive special editions. It’s kind of self-defeating. I’m guessing that the new warm white bead-blasted titanium version is what Olight considers market research. And when it doesn’t sell well, Olight will probably decide nobody likes warm white, so they won’t offer it on any regular models. But really, all it reveals is that not many people are willing to buy $100 bead-blasted titanium lights with excessively aggressive knurling.

To get meaningful answers, change only one variable at a time… not everything all at once. Otherwise the factors get all conflated and useful conclusions can’t be made.

The previous generation had NW available in polished titanium, bead-blasted titanium, and rainbow PVD. But this time, NW is only available in rainbow PVD and yellow PVD. At a guess, the yellow one will probably sell badly and Olight will probably conclude the problem was the NW emitter, not the ugly yellow finish.

The bare polished titanium option isn’t even available in the latest generation, and it was probably the best one. Either it or rainbow PVD. Bead-blasted titanium looks nice at first, but it’s extremely easy to scratch.

At one point, there was also a steel version. Steel is generally very hard and can’t easily be scratched, so it can really hold up to abuse. It does this better than titanium, so it could have been pretty nice. I really like my steel Convoy light, and it still looks new after years of use. But the steel S-Mini was only made in cool white with PVD coating, so the beam was unappealing and the relatively soft coating defeated the whole point of using steel. To no one’s surprise, the latest generation doesn’t include a steel version.

The trend here is: Taking a good idea and then crippling it by entangling it with bad ideas. A.k.a. snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It’s a common issue for most brands, but Olight seems unusually good at it.

This is spot-on and why I have never bought one!

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I just bought one of these…where can I buy a neutral white emitter for this? Which one should I get? I’d like something in the 4000K range, with the same beam pattern and something that can handle the output this light offers.

I am going to do the swap myself so if you can offer any help or pointers, I’m all ears! It looks like the bezel is pressed on…I’m planning on using a Stanley blade to wedge it open. If there’s a better way please let me know…

Thanks and all the best!
Hovan