ENERGIZER Ultimate Lithium "NO LEAK" Guarantee - mine leaked! What's your take?

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ENERGIZER Ultimate Lithium "NO LEAK" Guarantee - mine leaked! What's your take?

From the pages of Energizer:

Energizer® Ultimate Lithium™ Batteries are GUARANTEED NOT TO LEAK. Due to advanced technology, Ultimate lithium™ batteries will not leak under normal consumer usage. If you believe that you have a leaking Energizer® Ultimate Lithium™ battery, contact 1-800-383-7323 for return instructions.

Link: http://www.energizer.com/about-batteries/battery-leakage

This morning I noticed my air-con’s remote control was fading, almost blank, but comes back when tapped.

Well, I opened the back cover and see for yourself:


Corrosion started at the (+) end, then slowly leaked towards the (-) end, corroding the negative springs

and is that “03-2033” still the date of expiry? // Negative springs blackened with corrosion

Both batteries were still at a healthy 1.783v !!

Edited by: tatasal on 01/06/2019 - 22:45
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I had a pair leak inside a faucet hose water timer. Thought it was a fluke- never had these cells leak before, but I had another pair leak from the same package in my electronic door lock. I give up on all non-rechargeable AA and AAA batteries. Buying only Eneloops now. That is still the only battery that has never leaked for me.

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I had a pair leak inside a faucet hose water timer. Thought it was a fluke- never had these cells leak before, but I had another pair leak from the same package in my electronic door lock. I give up on all non-rechargeable AA and AAA batteries. Buying only Eneloops now. That is still the only battery that has never leaked for me.

I have plenty of Eneloops and used them before in this remote, but they don’t last long as their starting voltage is quite low for a remote designed to be powered by 1.5v nominal (1.80v brand-new)

Eneloops cannot show the LCD display for long, compared to the primary Lithiums, which last a very long time…just not expecting a leak.

I reluctantly swallowed the cost of primary Energizer Lithiums for longevity and avoiding the dreaded ‘alkaleaks’…only to have this. Facepalm

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Don’t know if this will help or not.

http://www.energizer.com/about-batteries/battery-leakage

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RobertB wrote:
Don’t know if this will help or not.

http://www.energizer.com/about-batteries/battery-leakage

Thanks, but I already posted that link in the op.

I have sent them emails with photos…my remote doesn’t work anymore, the air-con’s main unit only has the manual, mechanical ON-OFF switch, no modes, etc.

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tatasal wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Don’t know if this will help or not.

http://www.energizer.com/about-batteries/battery-leakage

Thanks, but I already posted that link in the op.

I have sent them emails with photos…my remote doesn’t work anymore, the air-con’s main unit only has the manual, mechanical ON-OFF switch, no modes, etc.

Oops sorry, didn’t see you posted the link. Looks like they will only replace the batteries, not the damaged unit. Kind of shady with their “guaranteed not to leak campaign”

Hopefully you can get a replacement remote. I have a 5 yr old LG TV, where the smart functions can only be used with the “LG magic remote”. Cost me $50 for a new remote. Guess what brand TV I won’t buy again?

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Energizer has replied to my emails with photos and asked for some details, etc.

Let’s see how they will honor their ‘No Leak’ guarantee on their Ultimate Lithium Energizers.

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Hope you had a positive experience with Energizer tatasal!

See my response to this over in clemence’ thread.

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Gebe wrote:
Hope you had a positive experience with Energizer tatasal!

See my response to this over in clemence’ thread.

A LINK would have been nice. So I put it in for you, I hope you don’t mind.

All my AAA lights are on Energizer for a reason. That reason is they are not Alkaleaks.

I always think long and hard before I say something really stupid.

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Thanks Henk4U2, I had been searching for that with no luck. . Thumbs Up

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I’ve also had the Energizer Lithium primaries completely discharge in just a few weeks from installing them in torch.

No parasitic drain was responsible for this. Had it happen twice on two different torches.

Needless to say, my confidence in Energizer lithium primaries is not very good. To be fair, it happened to only two batteries out of the 12 that I had.

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Also discussed in CPF, of which I also posted there: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?454399-L91-failure-ra...

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Henk4U2 wrote:
Gebe wrote:
Hope you had a positive experience with Energizer tatasal!

See my response to this over in clemence’ thread.

A LINK would have been nice. So I put it in for you, I hope you don’t mind.

All my AAA lights are on Energizer for a reason. That reason is they are not Alkaleaks.

Sorry about that and thank you Henk!

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Watching this closely. Thanks for posting, and I hope Energizer comes through.

I wonder where their batteries are made ….

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As an experiment I tried posting a link to this thread on Energizer’s Facebook page.

Their managers “will review” the post — it will be interesting to see if they allow it to appear.

Possibly they got a bad batch from a subcontractor. Time will tell.

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To anyone reporting similar instances, can you please include either the build date or expiration date of the cells you had troubles with.

I use L91’s in a very expensive piece of equipment ($900+) and would like to avoid having to test out that guarantee myself…

Build date is a 4 digit code stamped in the case near the negative end (not printed like the labeling / expiration date) but easy to read when viewed at an angle.

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Isn’t that “03-2033” the date of expiry?

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Yes. I was asking about the other couple guys mentioning they also suffered failures.

Just trying to make sure I’m not using cells from possibly known-bad batches.

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Mine was made in Singapore, bought in the USA by my brother in blister packs of 4.

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I’ve seen a lot of situations where the + end of a cell and the spring touching it became corroded. Often enough corrosion goes right into the case along the + wire to the circuit board.
I’ve noticed that happening on all sorts of things — flashlights less often than little radios and electronic thermometers/humidity meters/clocks/calendars, for example.
I’ve wondered if this isn’t because some current was flowing even with the device switched off.

It’s one of the reasons I’ve consistently used Energizer lithium primaries on anything I valued.

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i run energizer lithium primaries inside all my backup/emergency and bugout system, out of several devices like double or single AA flashlights, beacon light, M26 taser that runs on 4xAA and baofeng two way radio with 6xAAA adapter cases and lastly emergency ceiling lights/bunker lights that runs on AA or AAA batteries

im not sure how this happened but it was found in one of those devices since i run a test and check on them each month, luckily i discovered it before it would further cause damage to my device

out of every hundred you’re gonna expect a few failures i suppose, yet i cant rely on eneloop due to my higher powered devices requirement(especially baofeng and taser) eneloop tends to discharge itself down to nothing after at least 3 years so some of us will surely stuck with the imperfect lithium primaries which energizer or NICE brand produce

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tatasal wrote:
TexasToasted wrote:
I had a pair leak inside a faucet hose water timer. Thought it was a fluke- never had these cells leak before, but I had another pair leak from the same package in my electronic door lock. I give up on all non-rechargeable AA and AAA batteries. Buying only Eneloops now. That is still the only battery that has never leaked for me.

I have plenty of Eneloops and used them before in this remote, but they don’t last long as their starting voltage is quite low for a remote designed to be powered by 1.5v nominal (1.80v brand-new)

Eneloops cannot show the LCD display for long, compared to the primary Lithiums, which last a very long time…just not expecting a leak.

I reluctantly swallowed the cost of primary Energizer Lithiums for longevity and avoiding the dreaded ‘alkaleaks’…only to have this. Facepalm

What about USB rechargeable AA batteries with a Li-ion battery and buck converter to 1.5 V inside, like the Fenix ARB-L14-1600U?

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If this helps :

I live in Spain. I have been researching a bit…

Here at home… I have 3 types of energizer batts:

1- Energizer Lithium (silver label)

2- Energizer Alkaline (they are the standard alkaline, black label)

3- Energizer EcoAdvanced (they are new alkaline type, silver label)

The energizer Lithium, are made in Singapore. They have “vent holes” in the + pole.

The energizer Standard alkaline, are made in Singapore. I can not see “vent holes”.

The energizer EcoAdvanced alkaline, are made in USA. They have “vent holes” in the – pole.

The ones made in USA seems the be better built than the ones made in singapore.

I can see more variants of energizer alkalines at the stores. Will check them. But I can not find a “no leak guarantee” variant here.

None of my energizer lithiums have leaked or died in any way. (But I had the ones from fasttech branded as “nice” that were at ZERO volts after 1 month without being used…. only used a few minutes in a flashlight…weird…)

I have had a few energizer alkalines leaked… but other brands leaked even more…

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I had the ones from fasttech branded as “nice” that were at ZERO volts after 1 month without being used

Yeah, they were junk, I tried them too.

Nobody’s cloned the Energizer Lithium primary cells successfully.

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tatasal wrote:
TexasToasted wrote:
I had a pair leak inside a faucet hose water timer. Thought it was a fluke- never had these cells leak before, but I had another pair leak from the same package in my electronic door lock. I give up on all non-rechargeable AA and AAA batteries. Buying only Eneloops now. That is still the only battery that has never leaked for me.

I have plenty of Eneloops and used them before in this remote, but they don’t last long as their starting voltage is quite low for a remote designed to be powered by 1.5v nominal (1.80v brand-new)

Eneloops cannot show the LCD display for long, compared to the primary Lithiums, which last a very long time…just not expecting a leak.

I reluctantly swallowed the cost of primary Energizer Lithiums for longevity and avoiding the dreaded ‘alkaleaks’…only to have this. Facepalm

If the remote uses a pair, you could try a primary lithium-thionyl chloride 14500 cell and a dummy cell. Saft LS-14500.

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Well, finally Energizer has informed me via email that they will be sending me check within 21 days, as property damage, in the amount of a staggering $20!…btw, up from an original amount they offered of $10!!

That is after 22 back and forth emails.

Nothing much different from some Chinese vendors, mind you!

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Not much different from a Chinese vendor… But I assume you were hoping for something better?

People keep asking why I would order direct from China and I say because the big stores do it and provide no added value. No expertise, no customer service, and not much for warranty. Why not just order direct and take your chances?

Your experience pretty much tells me that energizer does not value their name and their guarantee is nothing more than a marketing scheme. Too bad.

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I’ve never experienced a leaky Energizer cell. But Duracell? I call them Duraleaks. I’ve had several remote controls RUINED by Duracells. One maglite was destroyed, as the leak caused the cells to fuse to the tube wall. An electronic collectible suffered damage from a Duracell that peed its contents.

I’ve had more cases of Duracells leaking than not. I will never, ever ever buy a Duracell battery again.

tatasal wrote:
Well, finally Energizer has informed me via email that they will be sending me check within 21 days, as property damage, in the amount of a staggering $20!…btw, up from an original amount they offered of $10!!

That is after 22 back and forth emails.

Nothing much different from some Chinese vendors, mind you!


When I reported several damaged items to Duracell along with photos proving it, they apologized and sent me coupons for more Duracell batteries. They do not honor any kind of warranty against damage. I burned the coupons in disgust.
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The sad thing is that a few days ago, the other two, unused AAA Energizer Ultimate Lithium that were part of the 4-pack set which is the subject of this thread, and was stored in my tackle box, also leaked and was even worse than the two here in the photos on the OP.

They leaked so bad, so messy-looking I never bothered to take a photo and just put them away in disgust.

They are Made in Singapore cells.

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Those are not random leaky batteries. They come out of the same box, are from the same batch.
Dodgy batch, dodgey wholesale or dodgey seller?
OCD as I am, I keep inventory of all my lights with their batteries, and just have checked all L92’s.

I buy all my Energizer Ultimates from NKON (NL) and all are Made in Singapore batteries.
They have dates on them ranging from 03-2027 till 12-2036 and they are all okay.
Only one wrap came a bit off and I know why (DIY potting of my Boney with smelly house hold glue Facepalm

I always think long and hard before I say something really stupid.

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Henk4U2 wrote:
Those are not random leaky batteries. They come out of the same box, are from the same batch. Dodgy batch, dodgey wholesale or dodgey seller? :

They are genuine Energizer Ultimate Lithium…so dogey wholesale or seller is out of the picture.

It’s a real bad batch…bringing down with it its vaunted ‘Guaranteed Not to Leak’ tag line.