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Disclaimer: I’m not sure if this comment should be posted or not. On the one hand, my post is argumentative, it quotes problematic things, and it takes the bait instead of ignoring bait. On the other hand, Boaz’s post brings up some common sentiments which come up frequently and may be worth addressing instead of ignoring. When these things come up people may be angry, but they don’t seem to have harmful intent, and their feelings probably shouldn’t be ignored.

So… if this shouldn’t be here, please let me know and I’ll remove it. It seems like the most common sentiments should be addressed somehow though, even if not by me.

Boaz wrote:
We are men and it’s a mans forum … Man up

Oh. I guess I should leave. Sad

More seriously though, I could write a dissertation on the negative effects this type of attitude has, not just on internet forums but society in general… but on to more focused matters instead:

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I like old school BLF where you just ripped the trolls a new one publicly . It put fear into newbies and let people know rampant stupidity wasn’t tolerated. … all trolls ought to be banned . … I’ve never been a fan of the rude button .

Although this takes things a bit far, I do think there is a valid point in here. The rude/report button goes a long way toward reducing bad behavior, but sometimes it’s not enough. Sometimes it’s important to also say something about why a post is problematic. Especially if the comment’s core message happens frequently.

… which is why I’m responding to this instead of clicking the button.

Sometimes a private message is a good way to do that. Sometimes something more visible is needed though, because the direct recipient isn’t the only one who needs to see the message. Something more visible can make the difference in whether new members join the forum, whether old members leave, or whether a troll feels safe posting something rude later.

Granted, it’s very difficult to challenge a troubling post in a way which doesn’t make things worse, so people should normally use the button instead. That’s kind of the point of it, to end fights before they start. And to move the handling of these things to someone who is both good at it and has the power to take action if necessary.

I think sb does a really good job striking a balance between too much intervention and too little intervention, between a police state and a troll haven.

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I like old school BLF where you just ripped the trolls a new one publicly . It put fear into newbies and let people know rampant stupidity wasn’t tolerated. … … that and .. fear .

Are you sure that fear is the healthiest way to encourage good behavior? Surely, there are other motivations which could work? Research has shown that the carrot is usually more effective than the stick.

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I have grown to hate this politically correct bs … Together we can make BLF great again …but not by being a bunch of pansies .

This is a common complaint lately, all over the internet. But it seems like people may just be upset that a lot of the internet is becoming a legitimately nice place where bad behavior isn’t tolerated any more, where people aren’t okay with rudeness or sexism or slurs or meanness in general. People all over are generally just preferring to be nice and get along and try to make everyone feel welcome. It’s not about censorship or being pansies. People can handle the bad behavior; it’s just that they are rejecting the idea that poor behavior is cool or desirable.

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Make BLF great again

Political slogans, just like politics in general, are counterproductive to the forum’s health.

It’s bad enough when people put strong political or religious opinions into their signatures; please don’t make it part of the post itself.

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Asking people to not talk about certain topics is just censorship . … let people openly talk in a free forum

I’d kill the rude button  I’d kill the quote button … or kill ability to quote a quote of a quoted quote … I’d kill all the affiliate linking and anyone who sought to monitize the forums membership . And I’d kill all posting / reposting / posting one post after another . Either edit your last post or shut up till someone else speaks or answers your rants. I’d chastize members who have post counts higher thAn the owner of the forum . I’d delete all vanity posts and personally have no respect for the super reviews . … Kill the one guy making money off of all of your friends /affiliate BS

Irony intentional?

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I see the forum as more of a family … where the kids don’t rule . Where their opinion is allowed but does’t matter .

One thing I’ve tried very hard to do when I’m around is to make sure new members’ voices can be important too, not just old members. Sure, maybe some people show up with no clue and say things which are misguided, but other new people show up with really good ideas which breathe life into the forum. I don’t think it’s beneficial to ignore people until their post count is big enough to graduate from the kiddie table. At minimum, new members are good at seeing what is in the older members’ blind spots.

For example, two people who showed up and started making valuable contributions almost immediately are pepinfaxera and zeroflow. I’d hate to think how things would be if people like this felt too unwelcome or too invisible to participate.

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I hate the vanity and pride exhibited here …

Me too, honestly. And I’m more guilty than most. In such a “man’s forum” though, it’s kind of a requirement for a girl to have a, um, how shall we put it… a healthy self-image… in order to even participate in such a place without pretending to be a guy.

And that’s an issue I hope we can change.

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kill ability to quote a quote of a quoted quote

Install the “Stylus” extension. Put this into it as a new theme:
http://toykeeper.net/torches/css/limit-quote-depth.css.export

Suddenly, no more quoted-quoted-quoted quotes. Smile

Also feel free to edit it to change the maximum quote depth.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Boaz wrote:
We are men and it’s a mans forum … Man up

Oh. I guess I should leave.


I take it for what it is =a figure of speech
Sometimes certain people are a bit trigger happy with the rude button .
I’m glad it’s not called the rude button now ,I’m sure sb has better things to do than than To go over every rude button press , I’m sure there’s numerous presses per day ,most are probly not worth worrying about.
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Its no secret that there are simply far, far too many people who waste the better part of their miserable lives on an obscure flashlight forum, with virtually no life outside of it. Many have a family they ignore to live their lives here. So pathetic! Sick AND many of their comments are frivolous, falsely speculative and inaccurate, while coming across as authoritative experts, which drastically lowers the overall quality of this forum. You know the ones… who constantly post stupid crap in nearly every thread posted.

I have inquired several times for a tool to block certain profiles to weed out the foolish, but Mr. Admin wants us all to read everyone’s posts, no matter how irritating, condescending and wasteful. So to help alleviate the torrent of verbal diarrhea and nonsense that spews forth from the foolish/incompetent/pathetic, I propose that Mr. Admin graciously considers the addition of…

a huge red “TIME-OUT-YOU-FRIGGEN-MORON!!!” button, to boot them for a contiguous 3 month period of time. Yes, indeed… that would be quite a fun and popular button to press! LOL Innocent Party Mr. Admin could charge a $10 paypal fee for each press, and it would still get completely hammered by hundreds who wish a turn in helping to get rid of the “verbal projectile diarrhea spewers”! I would think a threshold of 3 button presses should be sufficient in eliminating the cretins.

What say thee, Mr. Admin? The funny thing is this would actually work, while increasing the quality and integrity of information and the friendly demeanor of this forum. Not to mention your bottom line.

…AND Im still waiting patiently for our SUREFIRE and CPF banishing buttons! Beer

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^^^
Should posts with commercialization in sig lines be limited to the commercialization listings?
Why should unlimited sig line space be allocated to insignificant “me too” posting?
Who needs more than a line or two for a relevant sig line?

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Tjohn wrote:

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Should posts with commercialization in sig lines be limited to the commercialization listings?
Why should unlimited sig line space be allocated to insignificant “me too” posting?
Who needs more than a line or two for a relevant sig line?

I'm not a fan of wordy signatures.

(In fact, my sig probably has too many words.)

But I wish more people would put pics in the signatures.

And everyone should have an avatar as well.

I think it adds character.  :BEER:

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FlashPilot wrote:
a tool to block certain profiles

The tools are available. This can be accomplished individually with the Stylus browser plugin and a few lines of code.

Here is an example of the code to use: http://toykeeper.net/torches/css/blf-blacklist.css.export

You can make someone’s posts appear smaller or dimmer, or even entirely invisible if you like.

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I don’t see much of this any more as i don’t go into the big threads its a pain to many people with differing opinions and views plus to many reply’s of a random nature. I am sure i have my moments where i rant and rave i am not perfect either but i try not to start conflict. I do a majority of reading and only reply here and there now.

I think naturally its normal for a new member to be some what troublesome and speak there mind. Not so much in a bad way what they are saying may be correct but the thread or reply may lead to bigger issues. We can usually pick out the better members after a while. Plus new members may only know half a story.

Other issue here is new SOME new members only join to be apart of group buys which is not what BLF is about and when money is involved no good happens lol.

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@ToyKeeper Very well stated, as usual. Thanks a lot for your input. (I won’t quote the whole thing for obvious reasons, although some points there were definitely worth repeating. Smile )

Regarding you being one of the few female enthusiasts here, I hope that we guys manage to transmit our respect and admiration for your level-headed contributions of knowledge and wit to the discussions here. I imagine that it probably doesn’t always come across that way, so thanks for your patience and restraint.

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Speaking of ToyKeeper, I have total respect for her. She is one smart human being.

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I aslo want to thank Toykeeper for the well thought expressions. I am an infrequent poster but have been around for a while. The bash the newbie because they don’t act the way they are expected by some attitude is invariably damaging. This is exactly why CPF is so widely “not enjoyed”.It is also counterproductive and does not lead to growth. I “enjoyed and endured” that attiitude for a 2 year apprenticeship for Goodyear. 25 years later as a journeyman I made sure not to display that attitude toward any new guys and lo and behold I was respected by the oldtimers and the new folks AND,continued to get payed each week. This is a social media site where we enjoy certain people like Mr. Atbglenn Lightbringer, Toykeeper Mr Admin and so many others. Some I just move on, because even though they can contribute so much more than I, their attitude is not the sort I want to socialize with. By this monitor I invite these folks into my home head and thoughts. Some of the really self important folks need a cranial laxative but that will never happen. Report away as you will. Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Man’s forum? Asinine at best as well as revealing.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Boaz wrote:
We are men and it’s a mans forum … Man up

Oh. I guess I should leave. Sad


Obviously does not mean women are not welcome.
On the contrary, probably.
It’s just that technical hobbies are the habit of mainly men, so you’ll find mainly men on such forums.
And that’s why it can be called a “man’s forum”.

But you know this too, so maybe you’re kind of joking.
(probably women’s humour then Party Beer Wink )

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Research has shown that the carrot is usually more effective than the stick.
I highly doubt that’s true, or at least, that this is always true.
I think it’s often best to give someone the choice between pursuing either the stick or the carrot.
Matter of pointing out the red line AND the way ahead.
Of course this depends on the situation too.
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I have grown to hate this politically correct bs … Together we can make BLF great again …but not by being a bunch of pansies .

This is a common complaint lately, all over the internet. But it seems like people may just be upset that a lot of the internet is becoming a legitimately nice place where bad behavior isn’t tolerated any more, where people aren’t okay with rudeness or sexism or slurs or meanness in general.

Well, no.
PC policing is rampant and truth is offensive nowadays.
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People all over are generally just preferring to be nice and get along and try to make everyone feel welcome. It’s not about censorship or being pansies.
Unfortunately it often IS.
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People can handle the bad behaviour; it’s just that they are rejecting the idea that poor behaviour is cool or desirable.
Well, that’s true.
But, this depends on the forum / site / platform too.
Have you ever visited the chans? Facepalm

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Make BLF great again

Political slogans, just like politics in general, are counterproductive to the forum’s health.

Is it political to want to make something great (again)?
Is it counterproductive to want to make something great (again)?
Is your objection perhaps an example of the pointless PC policing trend?
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It’s bad enough when people put strong political or religious opinions into their signatures; please don’t make it part of the post itself.
I agree there.
It can cause problems.
It depends though.
VoB’s reference to Jesus Christ in his signature, for example, is just that: a reference, still with a message, but a positive message. Yes, it is ‘religious’.
I do have a problem with signatures such as the one Djozz has.
It’s political, it’s condescending and condemning.
It’s also based on ambiguous premises and a skew view on reality.
(I could elaborate, but i won’t.)
Ironically Djozz is often very vocal about being against discussing politics..

But should such signatures be forbidden?
Or should we ‘man up’ about it and let it be?

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Asking people to not talk about certain topics is just censorship . … let people openly talk in a free forum

I’d kill the rude button  I’d kill the quote button … or kill ability to quote a quote of a quoted quote … I’d kill all the affiliate linking and anyone who sought to monitize the forums membership . And I’d kill all posting / reposting / posting one post after another . Either edit your last post or shut up till someone else speaks or answers your rants. I’d chastize members who have post counts higher thAn the owner of the forum . I’d delete all vanity posts and personally have no respect for the super reviews . … Kill the one guy making money off of all of your friends /affiliate BS

Irony intentional?

I think it’s called ‘ranting’. Smile
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I see the forum as more of a family … where the kids don’t rule . Where their opinion is allowed but does’t matter .

One thing I’ve tried very hard to do when I’m around is to make sure new members’ voices can be important too, not just old members. Sure, maybe some people show up with no clue and say things which are misguided, but other new people show up with really good ideas which breathe life into the forum. I don’t think it’s beneficial to ignore people until their post count is big enough to graduate from the kiddie table. At minimum, new members are good at seeing what is in the older members’ blind spots.

For example, two people who showed up and started making valuable contributions almost immediately are pepinfaxera and zeroflow. I’d hate to think how things would be if people like this felt too unwelcome or too invisible to participate.

Boaz wrote:
I hate the vanity and pride exhibited here …

Me too, honestly. And I’m more guilty than most. In such a “man’s forum” though, it’s kind of a requirement for a girl to have a, um, how shall we put it… a healthy self-image… in order to even participate in such a place without pretending to be a guy.

I don’t think that’s true.
You can be yourself here.
Yes, even if you don’t have a Y chromosome. ;)
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And that’s an issue I hope we can change.
I think only you can change your attitude / perception regarding your position here as a woman.
I’ve told you before, you’re a highly valued and appreciated BLF member.
The guys here cut you more slack than they would the average guy.
So i don’t understand your complaint, to be honest.
I hope it’s not you who thinks of us guys as being uncivilized.
So let’s look at it without the gender stamp on people.
Some people are civilized and behave civilized, others are not.
Some aren’t but behave well, some are but don’t behave well.
On line, that is.
In real life it’s often quite different.

And then there’s being civilized while being arrogant too.
Or being uncivilized while being humble.

Well, etcetera…
Peole are people and they’re all different, but some are a bit less different than others. Big Smile

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djmcconn wrote:
I aslo want to thank Toykeeper for the well thought expressions. I am an infrequent poster but have been around for a while. The bash the newbie because they don’t act the way they are expected by some attitude is invariably damaging.
You forget that some noobs are rude and arrogant or otherwise annoying. This will be ‘corrected’ with obvious reactions, naturally.
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This is exactly why CPF is so widely “not enjoyed”.
That’s arrogance and snobbism rather than correcting obnoxious noobs.
Thankfully most noobies are well behaved, and then there’s no problem.
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It is also counterproductive and does not lead to growth. I “enjoyed and endured” that attiitude for a 2 year apprenticeship for Goodyear. 25 years later as a journeyman I made sure not to display that attitude toward any new guys and lo and behold I was respected by the oldtimers and the new folks AND,continued to get payed each week. This is a social media site where we enjoy certain people like Mr. Atbglenn Lightbringer, Toykeeper Mr Admin and so many others. Some I just move on, because even though they can contribute so much more than I, their attitude is not the sort I want to socialize with. By this monitor I invite these folks into my home head and thoughts. Some of the really self important folks need a cranial laxative but that will never happen. Report away as you will. Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Man’s forum? Asinine at best as well as revealing.

Maybe you should just ‘man up’ a bit in stead of being a ‘victimized SJW’.
Some people are jerks, especially on line. Or maybe only on line, but not in real life.
Yes, it comes at you right in your home.
Weird times in that respect…
So i can relate, and i’ve been / felt ‘hurt’ too via the internet.
And i can be a jerk too…
But it is what it is.
And frankly, this forum is one of the best places to be, in my experience.

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I'm very glad ToyKeeper is a member here.

And, in general, I think women are better than men.  :O

I'm sure there are a good number of the fairer sex here that don't want to say that they're female because women are many times not treated with respect, especially online.

I don't think Boaz was hating on women, however, despite his non-politically-correct mini-rant.

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Boaz wrote:
Kill the one guy making money off of all of your friends /affiliate BS

Hey I represent that remark!

Tjohn wrote:
Should posts with commercialization in sig lines be limited to the commercialization listings?

One of the things that makes BLF special is the relatively unique relationship with commercial and semi-commercial entities. (I hesitate to use the word “people” even if I am a member of that group.) Many small solo operations and custom makers were started by normal enthusiasts with mere sig lines.

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raccoon city wrote:

I’m very glad ToyKeeper is a member here.


And, in general, I think women are better than men.  alt=" />

I think people in general suck (edit: nah, that’s too harsh, sorry), but i still love them and i can’t live without them. :)
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I’m sure there are a good number of the fairer sex here that don’t want to say that they’re female because women are many times not treated with respect, especially online.

Not in my experience.
Certainly not on BLF.
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I don’t think Boaz was hating on women, however, despite his non-politically-correct mini-rant.

He’s just tired of the PC culture and the divisions it has brought, i.m.o.

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Jerromel Social Justice Warrior. Not Me Sir. I simply enjoy civility rather than ranting idiocy. An a-hole is a part of the body but not everyones most enjoyed. Most men I have associated did not need to chest thump and blather to seek someone to respect their opinion. Lots of the rip the newbies cannot remember being newbies. Or perhaps they have always been as good as they are now.That is a very real possibility. Anyway ths can be argued ad nauseum because every one has an opinion and an a-hole and just like mine most of them stink. Forgive any misspelling. English is my native language but I have only been blowing my mouth off for 56 years. Some have far more experience.

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As a thought I also would like to say this forum lets me enjoy humans of all sorts from lands and experiences I will never see in my lifetime.

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Some non-humans too Big Smile

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Wait I resemble that comment. Big Smile

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djmcconn wrote:
Jerromel Social Justice Warrior. Not Me Sir.
Sorry if you thought i implied it.
It was just a ‘maybe’ suggestion to look at it from another angle.
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I simply enjoy civility rather than ranting idiocy.
Yeah, but some people just rant idiocy sometimes, or make it sound idiotic or over the top.
Point is, offence can be given, but it can also be taken.
Some people may offend, but some people are easily offended.
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An a-hole is a part of the body but not everyones most enjoyed.
Can’t live without it though. Wink Big Smile
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Most men I have associated did not need to chest thump and blather to seek someone to respect their opinion. Lots of the rip the newbies cannot remember being newbies. Or perhaps they have always been as good as they are now.
That is a very real possibility.
Or maybe they have learned to behave by being ripped a few times.
Ripping obnoxious noobs (again, there are only a few of them, 90% or more are cool) has a purpose, when they “have it coming”.
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Anyway this can be argued ad nauseum because every one has an opinion and an a-hole and just like mine most of them stink. Forgive any misspelling. English is my native language but I have only been blowing my mouth off for 56 years. Some have far more experience.
Well, i think it’s good to discuss these things every now and then.
Boaz has some points i can relate to, and so do you and others.

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Yeah roger that. Stick and carrot possibilities should be used. At Goodyear we sometimes had to settle things that way. Some got it through words and some had to go to the basement. Mighty dark down there. Noisy too! You are absolutely correct about discussion. My way of expressing my thoughts can be quite direct and may seem offensive. Hope not! This is really one of the best discussion forums around. So much knowledge so freely shared. Out of line folks should be corralled often for their own good. If they won’t take instruction then they won’t stay around.

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(Boʹaz) [possibly, In Strength].
A landowner of Bethlehem in Judah, “a man mighty in wealth” of about the 14th century B.C.E. (Ru 2:1) Boaz was the son of Salma (Salmon) and Rahab, and he was the father of Obed. (Mt 1:5) He was a link in the family line of the Messiah, the seventh in line of descent from Judah. (1Ch 2:3-11; Lu 3:32, 33) How this very unusual turn of events came about, allowing Boaz to be included in the genealogy of Jesus, is preserved for us in the book of Ruth.
Boaz had a close relative named Elimelech, who, along with his two sons, died leaving no male heirs. Of the widows of the two sons, one, Ruth, stuck by Elimelech’s widow Naomi. It was harvesttime, and Ruth was gleaning “by chance” in the field belonging to Boaz. (Ru 2:3) Now Boaz was a true Judean, a devout worshiper of Jehovah. Not only did he greet his harvesters with “Jehovah be with you,” but, after observing Ruth’s loyalty toward Naomi, he also said to her, “May Jehovah reward the way you act, and may there come to be a perfect wage for you from Jehovah.” (Ru 2:4, 12) When Ruth reported these things to her mother-in-law, Naomi exclaimed: “Blessed be he of Jehovah . . . He is one of our repurchasers.” (Ru 2:20) Furthermore, when the harvest ended, Naomi explained to Ruth the customary way of bringing this matter to Boaz’ attention. As Boaz was sleeping at his threshing floor, he awakened to find Ruth lying down at his uncovered feet, asking that he repurchase Elimelech’s estate by levirate marriage. (See BROTHER-IN-LAW MARRIAGE.) Ruth was to be the substitute for Naomi, who was beyond the age of childbearing. Wasting no time, Boaz the next morning summoned another kinsman more closely related, but this person, referred to in the Bible only as So-and-so, refused to comply with the divine arrangement. Boaz, however, was quick to do so and took Ruth as his wife, with the blessing of the townspeople. She bore him a son named Obed, the grandfather of King David.—Ru 3:1–4:17.
Throughout the account, from his first kind greeting to the workers to his acceptance of the responsibility for preserving the family name of Elimelech, Boaz is observed to be an outstanding man—*a man of action and authority yet having good self-control, faith, and integrity, being generous and kind, morally chaste,* and fully obedient to Jehovah’s commandments in all respects.

I am glad this Boaz didn’t rip Ruth a new one!! Not written in Greek I barely do English!

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Dam………..and here I am thinking all this time that Boaz was Bo from Arizona. ‘Course I never bothered to ponder that Birthplace of Aviation part in his avatar. I just figured it was about Davis-Monthan AFB.

Will wonders EVER cease?

PS. This revelation doesn’t surprise me that he has a deevine origin. Honestly way back when, I first thought he was from Moscow, Russia cuz of the red Sputnik looking thing.

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sb56637 wrote:
Thanks a lot for your input.

Sorry about the aftermath. Sad

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teacher wrote:
chadvone wrote:
Its not really a button is it ?
Hmmm… Well, you do have to ‘click it’…. Wink
And if you doubleclick, it strobes you.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
sb56637 wrote:
Thanks a lot for your input.

Sorry about the aftermath. Sad


Well, you can count on it, maybe helpful with the math. Silly

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Toykeeper no apology needed! It’s us blowhards emitting hot air from both ends. If I could follow your example and thought pattern, there would be no shutting me up. I and all here really appreciate all you do for us even if you are a GIRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL. Calvin and Hobbes reference!! this is in jest if not good taste. I learn so much from all here it really is amazing. Just a fat retired guy in the most well lit wheelchair here around Fort Bragg NC

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