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Concrete Project Genesis Details:
1. Made in USA – Electronics, Host & Assembly

2. 7075 Aluminum Housing – Most flashlights are made of 6061 Aluminum

6061 VS Structural Carbon Steel VS 7075
Brinell hardness: 95 VS 140 VS 150
Ultimate Tensile Strength: 310Mpa VS 480Mpa VS 565Mpa
Shear Strength: 207Mpa VS 300Mpa VS 331Mpa

3. 3mm thick Anti-Reflective Tempered/Safety Lens
Most lens are 1-2mm. Usually only the big boys like BLF GT and X65 sport ~3mm Lens. Heat treatment characteristic unknown.
I worked at Northwestern Industries (A glass company) for 2 summers in college.
Here I learned both glass and will are much stronger when tempered.
The slow cooling heat treatment process makes the glass tempered and thus under constant pressure from edge to edge.
Tempered glass are 4 times stronger than regular/annealed glass.
Strength Example: 1/4” Tempered = 1” Annealed (Impact and scratch resistant improved accordingly.)
It also break relatively safer into smaller pieces as oppose to longer sharp edges of the annealed.


4. Type III Anodization (Black Color)

Anodization quality vary from one manufacture to another although most claimed Type III
I have not yet examine the quality of this USA shop to conclude
Tail cap thread anodize = Physical/mechanical lock out, no parasitic drain, safe transport
I discussed General info regarding anodization here

5. Form & Dimensions

Among shortest in class yet able to accept all varieties of cell length
Sleek and minimalist with a touch of industrial exterior design
Minimal laser engravings
Tail stand & Anti-roll
Least body housing parts assembly for strength & reliability
Thick housing wall for strength
Numerous thread for strength and smoothness
Double Oring at body ends for reliable water resistance
Shortest Length ~ 110mm

​ 6. Diving Potential
High quality O-Rings
Dual thick Orings at all entry points
O-Rings lubed all around before assembly

7. Impact Resistance

3mm tempered glassed cushioned on both side
Extra thick housing at high stress impact edges

​8. Upgradeable

Hardware & Firmware future upgradeable
Hardware & Firmware user config-able
Flexible forms and functions for multi applications.

9. Battery Configurations

1 or 2 21700
1 or 2 20700
1 or 2 18650
2*CR123A


10. Beam & Tint Options

Thrower – Oslon 6500K, 40SD, XPL HI
Flooder – 70.2, S351
Intermediate – 50.2, SST20 SD, 40HD,
Mule – XPL2, 219c, S351
3000K, 4000K, 4500K, 5000K, 6500K, 7500K

11. User Interface
Shorty Twisty 4 max simplicity and reliability (Diver’s Choice)
Clicky + Deep Carry Titanium Pocket Clip (General & Tactical)
Optional high current Reverse clicky: From OFF full click turns On, 1/2 press from ON changes level
Optional FS54 Forward Clicky: From OFF 1/2 press for momentary ON & mode select. Full click turns ON & lock pre-selected mode.
User Programmable DriverVN4

12. USA Premium Viton O RingsFluorocarbons (FKM) – commonly referred to as Viton®, has excellent resistance to high temperatures, ozone, oxygen, mineral oil, synthetic hydraulic fluids, fuels, aromatics and many organic solvents and chemicals. VITON® has a temperature range of -20F to +400F, and provides excellent resistance to a wide variety of chemicals, weather and compression set requirements. The relatively high level of fluorine in VITON® materials allows for exceptional resistance to chemical attack, but with limited low temperature capabilities.
Chemical Resistance:

Mineral oil and grease, low swelling in ASTM oil No. 1, and IRM 902 and IRM 903 oils
Hydraulic Oil, Petroleum Base
Non-flammable hydraulic fuels in the group HFD
Silicone oil and grease
Mineral and vegetable oil and grease
Aliphatic hydrocarbons (fuel, butane, propane, natural gas)
Aromatic hydrocarbons (benzene, toluene)
Chlorinated hydrocarbons (trichlorethylene and carbon tetrachloride)
Chlorine Water
Gasoline, Fuels, also fuels with methanol content
Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG)
Natural Gas
Propane
Diesel Oil
High vacuum
Very good ozone, weather and aging resistance.

Operating temperature: -20° to +400°F

13. Extreme Torture Tests (Extreme limits demonstration purposes only. Not to be attempt by user)
Run over with F150 front wheel longitudinal 5 times
Run over with F150 front wheel across 5 times
Boil in hot water with no cells for 5 minutes
Freeze light overnight in bottle of water while ON.
2 battery cycle of continuous Turbo runs with highest output setup
6 1m drop on concrete. 4 on both ends 2 and sides
Submerge in deep lake for 24 hours
Submerge in Gasoline bucket for 1 hour

14. NO-OX-ID Electrical Grade Conductive Grease
Apply around Viton O rings
Allow smooth operation
Great current transfer

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More tweaks to come for Proto V1 above Smile

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I don’t know if that is a computer rendition of the light in your hand but, that thing looks monstrous. I am hoping it is just an optical illusion or something.

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Its no compact but its not monstrous either. I do have tiny hands.

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That’s a hard light Thumbs Up

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Very nice, I like the hexagon with rounded corners much better than the star shape, but that’s just me.

Also keep in mind that black type 3 anodization is slightly less durable than just plain type 3.
Still more durable than type 2 of course.

I used clear type 3 on my previous build:

It will look different on 7075 though, this was on 6061.

IMO 7075 is the ideal material for a flashlight, it’s very light and durable, but doesn’t have the thermal or electrical conductivity issues that titanium has.
I wish more manufacturers used it.

21700 battery support is also ideal, as those batteries have the highest capacity per volume as well as energy density (capacity per weight) so great choice there.
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Since this flashlight is basically taking everything to the highest quality, I would recommend to maybe use these springs in it: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/64047
Silver plated and high conductivity copper.
Add a bypass too for even lower resistance Smile

And one last suggestion, if it doesn’t have a tail switch, you could fit one of these on the inside of the tailcap and make it magnetic too Smile
https://www.banggood.com/20pcs-N52-20mm-x-2mm-Strong-Disc-Magnets-Rare-E...

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Okay, that puts it in a better perspective. Not as large as I originally thought. I can carry a L2P in most pants I wear in the winter and even a few pairs of shorts I wear in the summer so, that’s not too bad. I love the look. Great selection of emitters. I like a simple 3 or 4 mode UI but it seems this will be easily configurable for just about anything.

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I will likely do a short run of clear Type 3 but I know nothing about this yet…I will see when I am there.

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vinhnguyen54 wrote:
I will likely do a short run of clear Type 3 but I know nothing about this yet…I will see when I am there.

What do you think about the silver plated springs I mentioned?

Also, do you think the light will be below 300 USD?
If it is then I’m definitely buying one Smile

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I bypass the spring with high quality teflon wires and all seem good. I am not sure if a silver plated spring will add anything. Light should be well below 300. I honestly got no clue on pricing yet but I hope to have the starter package be around ~$150. An all decked out with fancy hardware and quads W1/W2s may be $250-$300. But who knows we will seee…

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vinhnguyen54 wrote:
I will likely do a short run of clear Type 3 but I know nothing about this yet…I will see when I am there.

Consider this a commitment/reservation for a maxed-out in clear if these are produced.
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I really like both of them, already hearing my wallet scream Steve

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vinhnguyen54 wrote: I will likely do a short run of clear Type 3 but I know nothing about this yet…I will see when I am there.

Consider this a commitment/reservation for a maxed-out in clear if these are produced.

NOTED! Thanks! Wink

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@Vinh, that looks like such a dope light. And with an SST-20 4000k 95CRI option and 21700 support, it just makes it even better.

300$US is a bit out of my league though. And by a bit, I mean a LOT. Even the starter package at 150$US is a bit much, for me anyway.

About my springs, they are silver plated Beryllium Copper C17530. Used alone, they are great.

Used in a dual spring setup though, they are extremely potent. Extremely close to a bypass in terms of electrical performance. Can handle 21A+ of current sustainably. Less work than a spring bypass too, and less chance of failure.

Also, is 6061 series aluminium cheaper than 7075? I guess that is the reason it is used most of the time.

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Subscribed! I have nothing to add, but will be looking forward to see this project Thumbs Up

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I want two if the price is good.

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At first I thought someone was going to be terraforming a planet, but this sounds better. Big Smile

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Definitely NOT in the “BUDGET” Class hey.
That would probably top out under $50.

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Lightbringer wrote:
At first I thought someone was going to be terraforming a planet, but this sounds better. Big Smile

LOL! LOLThumbs Up

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Vihn you’ve built good lights into better for a few years now. It’s sounds like a natural progression to put all that knowledge into your build. I’m a little confused on a couple of points if you could help me please? You list a few set ups on LED’s are the heads on these lights interchangeable? Will the finished lights have knurling? Good luck on your endeavor. And are you going to the SHOT show this year?
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BlueSwordM wrote:
@Vinh, that looks like such a dope light. And with an SST-20 4000k 95CRI option and 21700 support, it just makes it even better.

300$US is a bit out of my league though. And by a bit, I mean a LOT. Even the starter package at 150$US is a bit much, for me anyway.

About my springs, they are silver plated Beryllium Copper C17530. Used alone, they are great.

Used in a dual spring setup though, they are extremely potent. Extremely close to a bypass in terms of electrical performance. Can handle 21A+ of current sustainably. Less work than a spring bypass too, and less chance of failure.

Also, is 6061 series aluminium cheaper than 7075? I guess that is the reason it is used most of the time.

6061-T6 boasts 28% greater heat and electrical conductivity and 20% greater heat capacity than 7075-T6 aluminum with a tensile strength 28% greater than alloy 6063-T6. The “T6” portion of the material grade refers to the heat treatment and is a critical specification. Simply specifying “6061” is woefully inadequate as 6061-T6 has a yield strength four times greater than 6061-T0. https://www.elzetta.com/blog/aluminumalloys/

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Macka17 wrote:
Definitely NOT in the “BUDGET” Class hey.
That would probably top out under $50.

Compared to the $500-$2000 flashlights this is definitely budget.
It depends on how big a person’s ‘budget’ is.
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KawiBoy1428 wrote:
6061-T6 boasts 28% greater heat and electrical conductivity and 20% greater heat capacity than 7075-T6 aluminum with a tensile strength 28% greater than alloy 6063-T6. The “T6” portion of the material grade refers to the heat treatment and is a critical specification. Simply specifying “6061” is woefully inadequate as 6061-T6 has a yield strength four times greater than 6061-T0. https://www.elzetta.com/blog/aluminumalloys/
Pretty much everything you can buy from metals distributors is T6, that’s the standard. If something just says 6061 you can assume it’s all T6.
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Enderman wrote:
Macka17 wrote:
Definitely NOT in the “BUDGET” Class hey. That would probably top out under $50.
Compared to the $500-$2000 flashlights this is definitely budget. It depends on how big a person’s ‘budget’ is.

I agree Enderman. And if we purchase 3, 4, or 5 budget lights in a year, why not save up and splurge from time to time on something a little more special. Thumbs Up

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I am off to set up a GoFund me for this one. Looking like a must have. lol

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Both twisty and clicky looks good. Don’t know which to choose but I’m pretty sure I’ll get a quad version.

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This hits me of Surefire tough at a potentially lesser price yet with a substantially superior UI and battery accommodation.

IMO I wouldn’t lose a grip ring facilitation in the hard fabrication contour aspect or else provide it through an optional removable rubber grip ring accommodation. Essential IMO.

That and the forward clicky option is also essential here. Don’t be afraid of a protruding tail button. Not everyone wants to tail stand every light in their possession at the expense of forward clicky practical elegance. A receding sunken in button is not conducive to a true forward clicky/momentary.

This flash appears to encompass clean aesthetic lines and essentially a true combat readiness twist of which rightfully so Surefire has already earned. (The best of both worlds?)

Whatever anyone may say about CPF “snobbiness” the original cats over there knew and know QUALITY. Surefire has that FEEL and they over at CPF understand it better than many.

So maybe this Genesis is in a way a VinhFire if you will. Shocked Don’t know if this is watt Vinh has in mind butt it’s at least in my mind.

Bottom line: This is/could be one bad azz flash. Smile

I may have to get one. Or two. Or……. Davie

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Looking forward to this !

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nottawhackjob wrote:
This hits me of Surefire tough at a potentially lesser price yet with a substantially superior UI and battery accommodation.

IMO I wouldn’t lose a grip ring facilitation in the hard fabrication contour aspect or else provide it through an optional removable rubber grip ring accommodation. Essential IMO.

That and the forward clicky option is also essential here. Don’t be afraid of a protruding tail button. Not everyone wants to tail stand every light in their possession at the expense of forward clicky practical elegance. A receding sunken in button is not conducive to a true forward clicky/momentary.

This flash appears to encompass clean aesthetic lines and essentially a true combat readiness twist of which rightfully so Surefire has already earned. (The best of both worlds?)

Whatever anyone may say about CPF “snobbiness” the original cats over there knew and know QUALITY. Surefire has that FEEL and they over at CPF understand it better than many.

So maybe this Genesis is in a way a VinhFire if you will. Shocked Don’t know if this is watt Vinh has in mind butt it’s at least in my mind.

Bottom line: This is/could be one bad azz flash. Smile

I may have to get one. Or two. Or……. Davie


This is like surefire but with actually decent performance and features Big Smile

I just wish it had USB C charging, maybe that’s too much to ask from a simple, high-durability light.

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it looks like a mortar. sweet Thumbs Up

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Vinh, Give more closer info on pricing. If good I will buy 4.

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