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JasonWW wrote:

No, NarsilM has never done such a thing, at least not on a bigger light like this.

Zeroair’s review shows it doing a huge stepdown :
https://zeroair.org/2019/04/13/astrolux-ft03-luminus-sst40-flashlight-re...

My S43S – albeit not a big light – also does aggressive stepdowns. If you run it on turbo it immediately does a huge stepdown, then waits a few seconds, then a does another huge stepdown…resulting in like <100 lumen.

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You might be thinking of Anduril on a small light.

I’m not thinking of Anduril.

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I never had need for fancy “step back up” software. As long as I can set the light to stepdown at a temp I’m comfortable with, that’s all I care about.

I find the NarsilM method of setting stepdown temp (hold light until it’s too hot) to be very hit & miss. Much better to manually enter a temperature (eg Anduril) because at least then you can test it, go +/- 1, test it, go +/- 1 etc.
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Ha ha, the S43S is just the small light I was thinking of that initially did a too fast step down. You might need to manually set your S43S. I did and got much nicer, smaller step downs. https://youtu.be/maN7kQ2Drnk

Just to clarify, a 32% drop is not a lumen percentage. It’s 32% of the ramp scale. The ramping has 150 steps, so it should go from step 150 (Turbo) to step 102 which is like a nice medium level.

It’s interesting that his review saw the light step down at 40°C. I think it should be closer to 55°C. That’s usually the default. He may need to manually set the stepdown temp as well. (Start with a room temp light, activate manual setting, then hold light until you think it’s hot enough and shut off. It memorizes this level.) It works great for me. If your having issues, make sure the lights internal temp is cool. I let it sit for a couple hours to fully cool down before setting the manual temp.

I don’t know if the Anduril temp setting is better or not. I haven’t really played with it much. The FW3A is the only Anduril light I have. Once I calibrated the room temp, it’s step down seemed fine. I don’t really like the delayed turn off in Anduril and a few other things about it. So I’m more a Narsil guy. You can turn off all temperature stepdowns if you want and let your hand tell you when to turn it down. That’s what I’ve done for years with my L6 that has old Narsil firmware on it. It’s all about what you prefer.

I would like to see Zeroair reset the thermal calibration or at least try it with a milder battery, not that high current 21700.

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JasonWW wrote:
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Man, now I see the chaselight photo, and I am tempted. It seems brighter, but the photo might be lying since you can also see the sky with cloud, so the white balance? Seemed different, but if it wasn’t then it’s cheaper. Only thing is it’s using xhp50 so it might also have heat issue, despite the larger/longer body?

What about any xhp70 thrower? Anything comparable to ft03?


I think I see the Chaselight your talking about. It has a xhp50.2 (maybe clone 50.2?). It is maybe 18 watt and 1800 lumen seems plausible. (I don’t think it will do 2300 lumen). This is much less lumens than the FT03 50.2. It should run pretty cool, but throw distance will be shorter. I would recommend reading reviews on it. It might be a junk light or it might be good. I don’t know. I’ve never heard of it. The user interface seems very crude with only 2 brightness levels. That’s old version. New version has ramping of some kind?

There are not many 70.2 throwers because it’s a big led. They are not available in 3 volt version so you either have to use 2 batteries in series or use an expensive boost driver. I have not seen anything the size of the FT03 in 70.2, but they are probably out there. If they exist, the throw will be short.

The two cell light probably does 2300 lumens.


Not if they still use the same 1.43A@12v. You typically don’t see a 500 lumen jump unless the driver is changed. It’s possible the driver is cranked up a bit higher and their pictures are just old. If this new driver can put out 1.8A or so then it would seem reasonable.

Maybe the 2 cell light is using a completely different type driver that runs at 6v?

Here are some beam shots for you. The 1 cell is not currently available on Amazon. I think you can see the two cell is way brighter.

https://imgur.com/a/FrXd64x

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Use the captions under the pics. They do not show in the order I uploaded but the captions underneath are right

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I may have missed it but how do the two compare with run times?

What do you mean? How long each of the 150 brightness levels can theoretically run on a particular battery? I don’t think anyone has tested that. Maybe someone has done some type of test and can link it.

What I mean is one more efficient than the other I guess.

The 50.2 version is more efficient over the same lumen range as the SST-40 simply because it’s bigger die can put out more light for the same battery amperage. Once you get past 1800 or so lumen, they are not comparable.

I thought the amperage would be higher for the 50.2 at the same lumen level because it is larger.
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What I mean is one more efficient than the other I guess.

The 50.2 version is more efficient over the same lumen range as the SST-40 simply because it’s bigger die can put out more light for the same battery amperage. Once you get past 1800 or so lumen, they are not comparable.

I thought the amperage would be higher for the 50.2 at the same lumen level because it is larger.

Nope, opposite. If we pick a brightness level of 1000 lm and have 3 different size led dies (let’s use Cree because their efficacy is pretty consistant) xp-g3, xp-l2 and xhp50.2, the bigger dies will use less amperage. Less amperage means less power used which equals better efficiency as far as battery run time is concerned.

xp-g3, die size 1.44mm2 = 2.5A
xp-l2, die size 1.9mm2 = 2.2A
xhp50.2, die size 2.94mm2 = 2A

(From raw led tests and different testers, so don’t treat as super accurate, but it’s accurate enough to show the differences)

Note that Luminus SST-40 has about a 2mm2 die size and would be about 2.2A. Very similar to xp-l2 until you get to the higher amps.

Of course, the xhp50.2 is capable of 16A and the the SST-40 9A, so if you use Turbo a lot the 50.2 will drain the battery quicker.

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JasonWW wrote:
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What I mean is one more efficient than the other I guess.

The 50.2 version is more efficient over the same lumen range as the SST-40 simply because it’s bigger die can put out more light for the same battery amperage. Once you get past 1800 or so lumen, they are not comparable.

I thought the amperage would be higher for the 50.2 at the same lumen level because it is larger.

Nope, opposite. If we pick a brightness level of 1000 lm and have 3 different size led dies (let’s use Cree because their efficacy is pretty consistant) xp-g3, xp-l2 and xhp50.2, the bigger dies will use less amperage. Less amperage means less power used which equals better efficiency as far as battery run time is concerned.

xp-g3, die size 1.44mm2 = 2.5A
xp-l2, die size 1.9mm2 = 2.2A
xhp50.2, die size 2.94mm2 = 2A

(From raw led tests and different testers, so don’t treat as super accurate, but it’s accurate enough to show the differences)

Note that Luminus SST-40 has about a 2mm2 die size and would be about 2.2A. Very similar to xp-l2 until you get to the higher amps.

Of course, the xhp50.2 is capable of 16A and the the SST-40 9A, so if you use Turbo a lot the 50.2 will drain the battery quicker.


Got it, good explanation.
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End up with chaselight, and will buy the mf01mini instead, thoughts?

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ttylamg wrote:
End up with chaselight, and will buy the mf01mini instead, thoughts?

What are you asking?

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Mf01 mini compare to ft03 I guess

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ttylamg wrote:
Mf01 mini compare to ft03 I guess

As always, get the one that best fits your needs. FT03 has less lumens, smaller hot spot and further throw. Mini has more lumens, bigger hot spot and less throw. The spill lighting is quite different between tir lens and reflector. Different UI’s, mini has aux LEDs. What do you prefer?.

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JasonWW wrote:
ttylamg wrote:
Mf01 mini compare to ft03 I guess

As always, get the one that best fits your needs. FT03 has less lumens, smaller hot spot and further throw. Mini has more lumens, bigger hot spot and less throw. The spill lighting is quite different between tir lens and reflector. Different UI’s, mini has aux LEDs. What do you prefer?.

Since I am into laser I would be lying if I said I wasn’t impressed by the acebeam w30. But that price tag just doesn’t sit well with me. I was looking at the C8g from sofirn, I already own a c8t. I don’t like how it heat soaks and stay useless, thought the C8g would be an upgrade then I stumbled on to ft03 as direct competitor. Then I leaned the imminent release of mf01 mini. I always wanted a fancy aux, and with a throwing capable light that’s like perfection. Now I learn mf01 mini will throw less, just how much less?

I am starting to a mass a collection here and may just separate my needs. Got the chaselight now, btw the thing is a security device as a weapon lol.

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Now I learn mf01 mini will throw less, just how much less?

The mini is still new so it has not been tested or reviewed. We have to go by factory spec of 616 meters.

FT03 SST-40 – 875 meters
FT03 xhp50.2 – 735 meters

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ttylamg wrote:
JasonWW wrote:
ttylamg wrote:
Mf01 mini compare to ft03 I guess

As always, get the one that best fits your needs. FT03 has less lumens, smaller hot spot and further throw. Mini has more lumens, bigger hot spot and less throw. The spill lighting is quite different between tir lens and reflector. Different UI’s, mini has aux LEDs. What do you prefer?.

Since I am into laser I would be lying if I said I wasn’t impressed by the acebeam w30. But that price tag just doesn’t sit well with me. I was looking at the C8g from sofirn, I already own a c8t. I don’t like how it heat soaks and stay useless, thought the C8g would be an upgrade then I stumbled on to ft03 as direct competitor. Then I leaned the imminent release of mf01 mini. I always wanted a fancy aux, and with a throwing capable light that’s like perfection. Now I learn mf01 mini will throw less, just how much less?

I am starting to a mass a collection here and may just separate my needs. Got the chaselight now, btw the thing is a security device as a weapon lol.

How do you like the Chaselight?

I have both models of the FT03.
The first version can stay on turbo much longer. It does not heat up very fast at all. 5 minutes is no problem. Not as much total light but more throw.

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Is there anywhere I can get a precompiled Anduril hex file for the FT03?

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scosgt wrote:

How do you like the Chaselight?

I have both models of the FT03.
The first version can stay on turbo much longer. It does not heat up very fast at all. 5 minutes is no problem. Not as much total light but more throw.


I like it, I am skipping the FT03 for now until I get tired of these other throwers. I think the FT03 isn’t really pocketable, and I feel that everything non-pocketable is in the same category for me (for now), so the chaselight will do. We can discuss chaselight in the other thread.

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I caved in and bought it, can’t pass the deal at $30. Anyone thought of using an ice pack type material as a holster/wrap to help heatsink heat during use? Not looking to use a prechilled one but just some thing to wrap around the body while remain functional and easy to carry. Also the heat must be conducted to the body well, hopefully that’s already done stock.

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They sell holsters on bg for about $3 if you ask freeme for a coupon

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wkweksl wrote:
Is there anywhere I can get a precompiled Anduril hex file for the FT03?
There isn’t one in ToyKeeper’s collection yet.

Maybe someone else has compiled one?

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There isn’t one in ToyKeeper’s collection yet.

Maybe someone else has compiled one?


No it’s not in TK’s collection. However Zozzlights has gotten it to work

Zozzlights and Zozzv6 are they one and the same person?

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wkweksl wrote:
No it’s not in TK’s collection. However Zozzlights has gotten it to work

Zozzlights and Zozzv6 are they one and the same person?

Yes, and he’s very friendly.

He will probably share the .hex file if you PM him.

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Yes, and he’s very friendly.

He will probably share the .hex file if you PM him.


Great will do that. Thank you.
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ttylamg][quote=scosgt wrote:

How do you like the Chaselight?

I have both models of the FT03. I think the FT03 isn’t really pocketable, and I feel that everything non-pocketable is in the same category for me (for now), .

If you really like a ‘pocketable’ pocket rocket thrower, perhaps the Nightwatch NI01L Osram white-flat is worth a look: HERE

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I’ve been meaning to put Anduril on mine as well. Does the integrated charging still work?

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Anyone else besides me tried running 2 batteries on the ft03? Since the tube fit, I tried it. Before I even get a chance to try it regularly… not good. I think I killed it?

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Anyone else besides me tried running 2 batteries on the ft03? Since the tube fit, I tried it. Before I even get a chance to try it regularly… not good. I think I killed it?

If you put 6 volts (technically 8.4 volts) into a 3 volt led it will die.

It’s like plugging a 110v AC unit into a 220 volt outlet. It dies.

Flashlights that run on both 1 and 2 batteries in series, like the Convoy L2 use drivers designed for the wide voltage range and send the proper voltage to the led.

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If I recall the XHP50.2 is 3 volt.

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If I recall the XHP50.2 is 3 volt.

It is.

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Anyone sell spare board/driver for an easy fix?

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