Armytek Wizard Pro v3 XHP50 VS Zebralight H600fc MK IV XHP50.2 - What would you buy?

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puglife2 wrote:
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I bought the Wizard pro XHP50 and returned it after 24 hours – it disappointed me.

Why?

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Sorry for the delay in replying.
Reason: Brightness much lower than the announced one.
Two years later I bought a new Wizard Pro today, this time I hope to have more luck, returning the lights is expensive ..

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Wizard Pro has arrived today.
This time everything is perfect, I am very satisfied with the Headlamp, the performances are excellent.
The specimen bought a long time ago must have had some problems because it was not very bright.
Sorry for the interface of the Pro version, I think they could have done better, 3 clicks to get to Turbo can be complicated especially with gloves (the button is very low)
With the interface of the Wizard “Base” and the ELF C2 I am fine, here instead with the Pro you have to be very careful not to make mistakes in the selection.
I also have a nice Zebralight H600Fc and I could make a comparison, but I found out that my specimen has a strong parasitic discharge and I have to send it back to Zebraligth.
If I can I will make a photographic comparison.
They are both beautiful lights but I find the Zebralight switch much easier to use.

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How does the tint compare?

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They are both good tint.
The comparison I made was very short it was cold and then the day after I ship the Zebralight back due to the parasitic discharge.

The evening I made the comparison between the two lights I also made 3 short videos but they were made very quickly and are of poor quality, if you want here are the links:

The tint of the Zebra is better (it is Hi-Cri) but this also involves a small reduction in brightness.

The Wizard Pro is slightly brighter and has a better throw, the Zebra has a better tint and a very homogeneous beam.

But there is no winner and there is no loser (I speak of color tint, beam and brightness)

I want to specify that the Wizard’s hue is also good (like all Armytek I bought) but you can’t compare a Hi Cri torch vs one that isn’t.

I managed to try the Wizard Pro in a wood two hours ago, it left me very satisfied and it’s really powerful.
I hope this Pro version is as reliable as the Wizard Basic and the ELF C2, I have bought them in the past, used a lot and have proven to be robust and reliable.

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I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

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WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

I heard the H600Fc MKIV has alot of green tint so I’m curious why you think it is similar to the Nichia 219B.

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The CS at armytek is the worst in the galaxy but i don’t care their headlamps are the best

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My experience with Amytek CS is that they never reply to emails whether it is a presale question or after sales warranty. I was able to get quick response from them through Facebook message though. They replaced my Prime A2 Pro and gave me options for additional freebies to choose from. The CS was actually really good if you contact them through facebook PM. I’m a big fan of AT light design and finish. Feels very premium but rugged. Driver efficiency and regulation is above average.

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There is now a factory Wizard Pro 144A. If they hadn’t screwed with the firmware, it would be perfect. They did screw with the firmware, and half-broke the thermal regulation (it doesn’t step up when cooled anymore) and introduced an undocumented UI condition where the shortcuts don’t work right. They briefly broke the low-voltage protection, which is really dangerous, but only a few went out like that.

I’m not very confident in it knowing they’ve been poking at the firmware ineptly, but the 144A in that optic sure is pretty.

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zak.wilson wrote:
There is now a factory Wizard Pro 144A. If they hadn’t screwed with the firmware, it would be perfect. They did screw with the firmware, and half-broke the thermal regulation (it doesn’t step up when cooled anymore) and introduced an undocumented UI condition where the shortcuts don’t work right. They briefly broke the low-voltage protection, which is really dangerous, but only a few went out like that.

I’m not very confident in it knowing they’ve been poking at the firmware ineptly, but the 144A in that optic sure is pretty.

Do we know for sure that AT broke the firmware such that thermal regulation does not step up when cooled? That would be very disappointing. But it seems like they did fix the missing LVP in the final version so I’m hoping they fixed thermal regulation too.

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SKV89 wrote:
My experience with Amytek CS is that they never reply to emails whether it is a presale question or after sales warranty. I was able to get quick response from them through Facebook message though. They replaced my Prime A2 Pro and gave me options for additional freebies to choose from. The CS was actually really good if you contact them through facebook PM. I’m a big fan of AT light design and finish. Feels very premium but rugged. Driver efficiency and regulation is above average.

Your experience is different to mine then. I contacted them about my Wizard pro XHP50 which I dropped from my pocket and broke the lense.

I contacted them via email and Victoria replied saying that even though I dropped and broke the glass , that they will honour the warranty ( I told them I bought here on BLF) and replace it with a new one, I have to ship it to Germany (I’m UK ) but they will give me a voucher to spend in store to cover cost of the postage.

I must admit that was end of last year and I haven’t got round to it as I use it daily so I really need to get it sent, however I was impressed with their offer and the speed she replied to me.

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SKV89 wrote:
WalkIntoTheLight wrote:
I recently bought a Zebralight H600Fc MkIV. I’m really pleased with the light and tint. High CRI in 4000K is my favourite. Previously, I only had Nichia 219B emitters with that tint, but the Cree XHP50.2 seems to match it with much higher efficiency. At least with the frosted lens, which probably smooths out any beam imperfections.

This light also seems to give a lower moonlight option than my other MkIV models (SC600w HI, SC600w Plus, and SC64w HI). So, I’m pleased to have that option, even though I tend not to use the lowest moonlight very much. But, it’s good to see they’re offering the lower moonlight again, like they used to have on their older models.

Frosted lens is a really nice option for this headlamp. Great visibility up close, but not the harsh shadows you get from the mule version. Headstrap is comfortable, too.

I have a couple of Armytek lights (not a headlamp), and they’re nice. I prefer Zebralights, though. I like their UI better, and the feel of the body and switch.

I heard the H600Fc MKIV has alot of green tint so I’m curious why you think it is similar to the Nichia 219B.

I’m comparing the beams side-by-side. No green in the H600Fc, nor in the 219B of course. The zebralight is a bit warmer than the 4000K 219B, so it’s difficult to compare directly. The warmer tint makes it look more yellow, but I’m not sure if that’s just because it’s warmer. Maybe it’s also closer to the neutral BBL which makes it look more yellow, because the Nichia 219B tends to be a bit on the magenta side of the BBL.

Anyway, no, there’s no green in the H600Fc, or at least not any I notice when white-wall hunting. If it wasn’t a frosted lens, I suspect there would be some green in the corona, but that gets smoothed out with the frosted lens. I don’t the Zebralight sells any of the high-CRI 50.2 emitters without a frosted lens, so I’m not sure what they look like without frosting. I know my SC600w Plus, with a regular (non high CRI) emitter and clear lens, does show a bit of green in the corona, but it’s not too bad.

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I put some 1/8 minus green filter on my H600c (they do sell unfrosted versions now) and it is noticeably rosier than the 4000K 219Cs and LH351Ds (including sliced 351s) I have in several lights. Experimented with adding some diffusion film to smooth out the beam but the tint shift is minimal enough that I’ll stick with the increased throw of a clear lens.

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SKV89 wrote:
Do we know for sure that AT broke the firmware such that thermal regulation does not step up when cooled? That would be very disappointing. But it seems like they did fix the missing LVP in the final version so I’m hoping they fixed thermal regulation too.

We know that people have seen the combination of working LVP and the presence of an undocumented UI state in place of the removed momentary mode, in which the shortcuts don’t work and every click is an on/off toggle. I’m not sure anybody has tested the thermal regulation on a sample with working LVP.

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Here’s a comparison between these two headlamps
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/71576

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And one of important things for headlamp is weight:
Armytek Wizard Pro – 65gr. Facepalm
Zebralight H600FC – 39gr Crown

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Quadrupel wrote:
And one of important things for headlamp is weight: Armentek Wizard – 65gr. Facepalm Zebralight H600FC – 39gr Crown

I agree, weight is a huge factor and this will always give Zebralight the edge in my opinion, even if it doesn’t have built in recharging.
If Zebralight uses better LED’s that can compete with Nichia tints, I would buy a Zebralight over an Armytek without hesitation.

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