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still doesnt explain why items that say clearly in stock ships within 24hours doesnt, i have 10+ orders before that shipped out quickly and chinese new years are over so something doesnt add up if this is the new banggood then they have lost a customer thats for sure..

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I was thinking of getting the MF04 NW.Want to get another high output thrower so my TN42vn90[5000L/1.05Mcd] can get some rest! After reading this, and never been a fan of ordering from China, I doubt if I will order it.

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I was thinking of getting the MF04 NW.Want to get another high output thrower so my TN42vn90[5000L/1.05Mcd] can get some rest! After reading this, and never been a fan of ordering from China, I doubt if I will order it.

What are the alternatives?
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I was thinking of getting the MF04 NW.Want to get another high output thrower so my TN42vn90[5000L/1.05Mcd] can get some rest! After reading this, and never been a fan of ordering from China, I doubt if I will order it.
What are the alternatives?
I don’t know!! this thread has me a bit concerned!

Alternative for me is to keep enjoying the monster output of TN42vn90! Thumbs Up

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BLF GT.

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BLF GT.

That is too big for me!! I would have to have CAPO carry it!! The Iditarod starts today,,,the dogs practiced by carrying 25 BLF GT’S!!! LOL!

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Actually, you could just use a single 4×18650 tube instead.

Would make the GT lighter, and shorter.

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@hondarider I did choose to wait too, but one week later they did cancel my order anyway…

They have not cancelled my order. Just checked it. Guess I will find out in a week or so if it comes into stock. They also let me choose how long I was willing to wait. I picked a date close to April 1. I am not in a hurry.

Got a message this morning that my Convoy L6 shipped.

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As I’ve said before, I think this problem stemmed from the CNY.

Should clear up quickly.

I’ve never had any problem with them though.

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As I’ve said before, I think this problem stemmed from the CNY.

Should clear up quickly.

I’ve never had any problem with them though.

could be, yea seems there wasnt any problems like this before their holidays started, we will see then.

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I’m giving them until the end of March to prove me wrong, or prove me right.

I just never order anything(aside from Kaidomain) from Chinese sellers during that time.

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The Iditarod starts today,,,the dogs practiced by carrying 25 BLF GT’S!!! LOL!

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To TSO,

In the back pages, I have a unique flashlight design. Two Chinese companies were interested. One faded, the other asked me to send them detail drawings and a sample, then they will think about it.

And….wait for it, i am going to quote them….“Any designs sent us may already be part of our company pending products or patents”.

Hmm…wow…funny how that sentence was well put together compared to the rest of the email that was in broken English.

One can’t generalize. It may only be that company. It may only be in that part of the business world, but to me, that was a head scratcher and a big…..eff it.

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Wait, did you send them a design?

I don’t think it’s too good of an idea to send all of the detailed drawing and samples to a company that you may not have trust over of.

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TSO wrote:
I’ve ordered quite a bit from them, it’s always a crapshoot how it will turn out.
At the risk of sounding bigoted or prejudiced -
When ordering from China, you have to realize the culture of the marketplace over there. It’s NOTHING like the Western world. On the one hand, it makes me really angry for the small businessman or woman who wants to run an honest business. The manufacturing and marketing practices almost guarantee they can’t remain competitive unless they find a way (like others) to cheat the system.
On the other hand, it makes me furious that China is a world power and can’t get their act together on this.
According to my friends who do business regularly there –
It’s all because of the trade agreements set up with the U.S. and other countries in 1978. In 1947, EU countries and most of the Western world began what was truly the first global economy. China, however, did not come to the table at that time. Fast forward to 1978, and China’s economy is in crisis mode, people starving, health and technology and industry standards languishing far behind the rest of the world.
As a gesture of good faith, the US entered trade agreements with China to help bolster their own industry and GNP. Tariffs and taxes were lifted, costs subsidized, but Part of the agreement was that western businesses could only sell in China if they agreed to turn over all rights to technology, patent-free. It’s where the term “Chinese knock off” comes from!
So, China begins to rebuild an economy based almost solely on cheap products from the U.S. in which they would take the patents and reproduce them cheaply for $1 a day labor, then undersell the companies that were exporting their.
Imagine the frenzy of a billion starving, desperate Chinese workers and entrepreneurs as cheap manufacturing began to pick up! The only limitation was how fast you could get a knock off to market. US exports cool “widget A” to China and loses money on it, there is a race from 1000 Chinese small manufacturing companies to reverse engineer it and build it more cheaply then rush it to market. Built on the excitement in China over the cool new American-made Widget A, the first company to get it into the hands of the people made a small fortune. With that capital, it was on to the next product.
Incredibly cut-throat, and what you may notice is that there is NO incentive for quality control, customer service or long term customer satisfaction.

Fast forward to today, and times have begun to change a bit. China has progressed to the point off producingbtheir own technology and are a leading R&D nation. They are creating their own companies and original products, and are economically well off (as a nation).
Two problems – the small businesses of today were still formed and are led by people who grew up in the cut throat, race to market culture, and it shapes their business practices tremendously. That’s why Bangood seems only concerned with the “sale”, and by western standards seem to not give a damn about the customer.
The second problem is that these trade agreements from 1978 are still in place. Now that China is firmly back on their feet, the incredible unfairness of the agreements is mind boggling. We can exert no tariffs on their products, while US exports to China are tarrifed heavily. But the biggest is the idea that there is no such thing as intellectual property ownership. They can “steal” whatever they want in technology and manufacturing and make it their own, and it’s legal under the old trade agreements.

This is why the U.S. government is fighting to abolish these old agreements and form new ones that better reflect fair trade.

Meanwhile – Bangood rushes a product to market with great advertising and worldwide exposure, while the product itself may be FAR from ready for sale. We all send them our money, expecting to enter a mutually happy trade agreement, but in reality Bangood has taken our cash and is already all in on the next product they will be rushing to sell.
When we email or message them about a problem with the product we JUST received (or NEVER received), they’re probably like, “Whut?!? We don’t even remember selling that product”.
(An exaggeration, but you get the point).

One problem with your theory is in 1978 and well beyond knockoffs were already being made by the Japanese. Japan Knockoffs. Please see Gibson guitar lawsuits of Ibanez and countless others at that time. Worst part is some of those Ibanez guitars were better than Gibsons of the same time and that is why they were so worried and filed lawsuits.
That is just one sector of the marketplace at that time.
Find me a China made mass produced toy from 1978-1985 other than dollar store stuff and even that will be scarce.

Knockoffs and the “race to the bottom” can actually be traced back to the US companies looking to use and exploit cheap labor from wherever they could.
The stock market and greedy investors led us to China, they had the lowest wages for years, that is not always the case now. Other countries are now undercutting the Chinese.

I collect old toys from the 1960’s and 1970’s and there is a pattern of made in Japan, then in Singapore, then into Hong Kong for quite a few years, Same product just less cost for the manufacturer/vendor/seller.
The US companies did this to cut costs, nothing new there.

It’s funny that in the late 1960’s and 1970’s saying something was “Made in Japan” was a slam on an item, fast forward to the 1980’s and it was said this way
“Proudly made in Mainland Japan”
And low and behold items from Yamaha, Nakamichi and others suddenly became recognized as top shelf audio equipment.
So the Japan stuff was not junk, it was just made to the cost/spec of the buyers. Garbage in/garbage out.

Patent law is a murky mess when it comes to the worldwide stage.
Does China infringe, you bet your azz they do and that needs to change.
Enforcement is another matter.

We will complain about China products but will still buy them until US manufacturers put their money where their mouth is and actually bite the bullet and produce things here for less profit and still make a killing.
YMMV, just my view from here.
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This happened to me. It took several days to a week of the order sitting in the “processing” stage before they sent me the out of stock email. I chose to cancel those orders (this happened to three of my orders in total) and it took another 10-14 days for Banggood to actually issue my refunds. Having the refund processed, I then had to wait another 5 days or so for Paypal to process the refund, although that’s Paypal’s policy and has nothing to do with BG.

I’ve been hearing lots of reports of this happening in large scale. My theory is that the company needs cash, but instead of securing a business loan, they have constructed this scam to “borrow” money from their customers, which they then pay back after 2-3 weeks at a 0% interest rate.

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This happened to me. It took several days to a week of the order sitting in the “processing” stage before they sent me the out of stock email. I chose to cancel those orders (this happened to three of my orders in total) and it took another 10-14 days for Banggood to actually issue my refunds. Having the refund processed, I then had to wait another 5 days or so for Paypal to process the refund, although that’s Paypal’s policy and has nothing to do with BG.

I’ve been hearing lots of reports of this happening in large scale. My theory is that the company needs cash, but instead of securing a business loan, they have constructed this scam to “borrow” money from their customers, which they then pay back after 2-3 weeks at a 0% interest rate.

Well I will say one thing. As a rule I normally don’t order anything from China, December through February. I broke my own rule this year and paid the price. Nothing out of pocket mind you, just a bit of a hassle. If I would have stuck to my own rule I probably wouldn’t have anything to complain about. I know I said before that I won’t be ordering from them again but, I have to take my share of the blame in it. I have a sneaking suspicion that had I listened to my inner voice I wouldn’t have gotten all fired up about it.

This is the only year I broke my own rule. Many orders through the years and not a single problem that wasn’t taken care of fairly. So I will just wait a bit longer and if I need anything I won’t hesitate to order from BG again. I don’t know if you are new to ordering from China but right before and after CNY isn’t a good time to order anything, so I just don’t.

Sometimes I am quick to judge, I am working on that, slowly it seems. Smile

I forgot to add. I have been treated worse by Amazon last year than I have BG. I quit Amazon cold turkey in January. Haven’t really missed it much either.

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@hondarider I did choose to wait too, but one week later they did cancel my order anyway…

They have not cancelled my order. Just checked it. Guess I will find out in a week or so if it comes into stock. They also let me choose how long I was willing to wait. I picked a date close to April 1. I am not in a hurry.

Got a message this morning that my Convoy L6 shipped.

Me too, I guess they’re getting over their new year’s hangover finally Wink

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I’ve been waiting for two months to send the last order – Amutorch AX2. Ordered and paid on January 6, sent on March 3rd. Really long time.

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I’ve been waiting for two months to send the last order – Amutorch AX2. Ordered and paid on January 6, sent on March 3rd. Really long time.

ehh and u still waiting ? something tells me u will never get that order sadly, just make a dispute..

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Banggood has postponed the order for several times. If I canceled the order and ordered another store (Neal) I would have waited another month…

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Banggood has postponed the order for several times. If I canceled the order and ordered another store (Neal) I would have waited another month…

Neal ships out stuff rather quickly if the items u order are in stock.

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My, my….. wonder if they’ll have Group Buys & Flash Sales?? Big Smile

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My HT35 went from: Shipps in 24h when i bought it to Processing time 9 busines days now.
Contacted Support to switch to the warm white version (product page says that it shipps in 24h).
They changed to warm white and told me that it will shipp in 1-3days.
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i sent mail on my fireflies order, date now says march 12 getting ridicilous when i placed order feb 19 it said feb 28 so it seems better cancel the order then.. they shouldnt be on the list if they cant get stock in reasonable time… no point placing order if u gonna wait that long maybe i will buy it from neal instead.

but my other order is sent out now tho i saw, no 24hours but atleast some things are moving….

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Bangbad…. After waiting for !3months they will cancel. Wtf

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Auto, I don’t know that your post contradicts anything that I shared. Knock-offs certainly didn’t start in 1978, but it’s when the world market was getting flooded with them (this according to the Dean of the school of Political Science at Texas A&M, a friend). I don’t have first-hand experience like you (toy collecting), but I trust my friends knowledge.
Regardless, the point was not about knockoffs, but more about the mentality of the Chinese business culture which was more about getting your money quickly. The status of the buyer in Chinese trade is simply significantly lower than in normal western free-markets.
I thought someone above put it well – instead of taking out a business loan which has a ton of legal restrictions and deadlines, just sell a product online which Is more or less vaporware to generate capitol, then follow up as minimally as possible, ignoring the angry customers while moving into the next project.

There are certainly signs that this is changing, but I think at this point it’s still “buyer beware”. I think the exceptions are the very small one man sort of operations like Emisar. Hank seems dedicated to creating a good product and meeting good customer care standards.

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Auto, I don’t know that your post contradicts anything that I shared. Knock-offs certainly didn’t start in 1978, but it’s when the world market was getting flooded with them (this according to the Dean of the school of Political Science at Texas A&M, a friend). I don’t have first-hand experience like you (toy collecting), but I trust my friends knowledge.
Regardless, the point was not about knockoffs, but more about the mentality of the Chinese business culture which was more about getting your money quickly. The status of the buyer in Chinese trade is simply significantly lower than in normal western free-markets.
I thought someone above put it well – instead of taking out a business loan which has a ton of legal restrictions and deadlines, just sell a product online which Is more or less vaporware to generate capitol, then follow up as minimally as possible, ignoring the angry customers while moving into the next project.

There are certainly signs that this is changing, but I think at this point it’s still “buyer beware”. I think the exceptions are the very small one man sort of operations like Emisar. Hank seems dedicated to creating a good product and meeting good customer care standards.

Totally agree about the culture, run fast, break things, ignore the law and cash the checks and it’s game on to the next grift.
Unfortunately they are not alone in this with both people and businesses.
That Kickstarter bunch is known to be haven for these types to get their feet wet in the “The Art of the Grift”

No, I didn’t mean to contradict your info, just wanted to bring the fact that the Chinese did not invent knockoffs, they may have Perfected them however. Smile

It has long been said that the first automobile race was run the minute the second automobile was finished.
Likewise in the same time period, some other auto manufacturer was gleaning as much tech and inspiration from the first company so they could catch up and build their own brand. And so it goes.
The good part of all this it makes the originator work harder for the newest improvement to stay ahead of the copy cats, it speeds innovation.
Rock And Roll is the biggest borrower/stealer/cloner of music to ever come down the pike but that is also what makes it so great.

Enough from me, thanks for the lively facts and banter.
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Great posts TSO & Muto!! Thanks for sharing the interesting reading, I learned a few things & my memory was refreshed on a few more. Thumbs Up

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