Imalent MS18 - 100k flashlight ?

saw this pic on facebook, is that for real 100k flashlight ? :open_mouth:

Wonder what cells it will use

Maybe they will send you one, for review purposes. Just ask.

Well, I think it doesn’t look actually that good.

Pushing 100000 lumens out of 18x XHP70.2 means the LEDs must output at least 5600 lumens.

With an optical efficiency of say, 90%, that would mean each LED would have to output 6250 lumens.

It’s obvious it’s not going to sustain 1200W of output.

And it is not going to get close to 100k lumens for a few reasons.

1. Imalent tends to overrate their lights by a significant margin ever since the DX80, getting a bit worse with the MS12.

2. Even if they used Samsung 30Ts, these cells couldn’t handle 1200W+ of power for more than a few seconds. And battery life would be absolutely horrible at full power.

3. The LEDs are pushed harder than the MS12, meaning the light is less efficient overall.

4. The LEDs will heat up super quickly, meaning the lumen output will go down super fast.

5. Their heat sinking looks like absolute crap. If it looked like they actually put a giant computer heatsink with a fan in the head, it would’ve been great, but noooo.

Finally, I don’t trust Imalent’s QC in such a high output light.

i dont understand the purpose of this light, does imalent dont really know that just because it does that much lumens on paper, but in actual use and looking their history of QA issues i am very skeptic about this… i thought it was first a typo but i shared image here so others can see it also… will probably set a record for amount of failed lights having that much power…

Theres a lot of people that love those twenty-seconds “paper lumens”…

:open_mouth: 6250 lumens per XHP70.2… 1200W… An inferno of heat and a device made by the most unreliable quality controls in the industry.

I watched VOBs video review of the MS12 and was shocked when he tried to detect the active cooling fans airflow. He lit woodchips from a smoker and shrouded the entire light in smoke. The result was still no detectable airflow whatsoever. Now their plan is to almost double heat production and we’re supposed to trust their tried and true heat management? LOL anyone remember the DX80 launch where the first ones off the line could set a piece of paper on fire within like 40 seconds… a total recall, a complete heat sink redesign and a 2-3 month delay.

I don’t for a second think their ambition is misplaced. Many people who learn a little about light learn quickly what lumens represent and then hit google for the brightest or highest lumen flashlight. When a 100 000 lumen flashlight shows up as an actual production product some of them will impulse buy. The market that doesn’t care to sign up here or go read 38 reviews and suggestions isn’t going to investigate the 80 other options when based on their limited knowledge, they can buy the biggest and brightest LED flashlight in existence.

I know I’ll eventually spend some horrifying amount of money to own a 100 000 lumen flashlight simply because I can’t not. But will I ever invest significant money in Imalent again? I’m very, very skeptical.

I bought an Imalent DX80 for $200 US because I found a ridiculous Gearbest code that was only available during the stock out period were Imalent was re-designing the head. I don’t regret my purchase. The truth is though, I never wanted the Imalent, I wanted the X80. But Acebeam are SO unbelievably expensive and there’s virtually zero discounts, codes or anything until their flashlights are about to be discontinued. At the time of my DX80 purchase the best price I could find was like $350 US.

If I know I’m going to buy a 100 000 lumen flashlight… Is the skeptical Imalent version going to be that much worse than whatever Acebeam answers with but is probably going to cost $1500 US? Were entering a realm of 1200W flashlights and easily $1500 US price tags. How does one choose.

“Lumen Wars - Imalent Strikes Back” :arrow_right:

And to think I'm sitting here debating buying a MT03 TA, and that's only 21k lumens for a brief period.

My L6 is just so bright. Even my D4 now, is so bright. I don't even see something like this or the MS12 as being a viable candidate to get increased sustained-lumen output over other large lights. Has anyone done that comparison, of thermally stable lumen output between a bunch of big lights?

I received my MT03 a month ago. Extremely happy with my purchase. A pocket-able light similar in output to the X80 for less than 1/3 the cost! Didn’t disappoint at all.

I can vouch that although the lumen monsters are indeed hot rods, my DX80 on the 5000 lumen med-high setting doesn’t appear to drop output for at least 45-60 minutes (ambient temperature effected). the 13 000 high setting drops to 5000 after about 15-20 minutes

V54[Vinh] had a 100K lumen light about One year ago called SIRIUS. I believe it was a Acebeam X65 Host,most certain it stepped down in 20 seconds!Even at 10% mode[10K lumens] it would not be that practical.

Sirius:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?445527-Sirius-Brightest-in-The-Sky

Here is another one of his 100K lumen lights:

Vinh’s Sirius was a GT and he claimed 50000 lumens. The X65 was Solis.

Look at the link again.

GTvn Vortex - Sky Lumen’s Brightest
Sold Out

Email SkyLumen54@gmail.com details :slight_smile:

~100,000 Lumen
60Kcd Intensity
490m Throw
:slight_smile:

I’ve read about them forgetting to use thermal paste but aside from that I haven’t seen a ton of complaints on here?

Lol this is funny news considering I ordered an E07 two days ago :person_facepalming:

Is the Solis what he finally named project x65vn2870 (changed to or from x65vn100)

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I think so. I did NOT follow his lumen monsters too much,I am a THROW-A-HOLIC!! :sunglasses: :+1:

I don’t see burning paper as an impressive feat. You can do it easily with a halogen torch.

I think the R90TS is a more interesting light…

I’ve collected data on some of the biggest non-actively cooled lights around to see who has the highest sustainable output. The DX80 is the best at 6,000 lumen.

90% optical efficiency is quite generous. Reflectors can vary quite a bit, but I would go with 80%. So each raw emitter would need to put out 6,900 lumen.

Looking at Kof3’s P2 bin 70.2 data, if we are generous and use turn on lumens at 25°C, not at 85°C, it takes 11 amps at 6.7v. That’s 74 watts per led. Then we get 1332 watts total.

If we use the output at 85°C that’s 1590 watts total.

I’ve seen the Samsung 30T run at 48A-50A which at about 4v is 200 watt. 8 of those do 1600 watts.

So battery wise, maybe they can do it, but briefly. IDK, they may be using a lesser battery. I would always go with 12 cells for a 100k lumen light.

I can only guess Imalent is going for an instant turn on of 100k lumen. I don’t see a way it can be sustainable for anytime. I would wager the output is not very close to rated.

I wonder what type of driver they are using?