IKEAloops no longer made in Japan

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IKEAloops no longer made in Japan

Just received an email from an Eneloop101 reader (Stefan) from Slovakia telling me that his newly bought brown Ikea Ladda weren't not made in Japan but made in China. 

I'm not sure whether this is just for a certain region.

But just so everyone is warned and not suggest noobs to buy IKEAloops without warning Wink

I will soon be updating the info on eneloop101.com as well! 

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Are they still Eneloops? Because if so, I thought Chinese Eneloops were practically of the same quality as Japanese Eneloops.

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It will depend on how closely the Ikea buyers watch the product — every single time, time after time, over time.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=chinese+quality+fade

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In most cases, for any given product, customers aren’t likely to notice a small decline in quality from one shipment to the next. But when comparing units over a longer stretch of time, like from one year to the next, the drop in quality is more obvious.

Many experienced importers have their own horror stories about frustrating instances of quality fade.


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Iirc only the 2450mah AAs were made in Japan. The ones you have pictured have always been made in China.

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Iirc only the 2450mah AAs were made in Japan. The ones you have pictured have always been made in China.

OP shows pictures of the two packages side-by-side. One package is from Japan, and one package is from China, and the cells inside have the same labeling. Are you suggesting that they’ve been lying about the country of origin and just now telling the truth?

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Maybe in other countries that was/is the case, but to my understanding they were all made in Japan, and only now they show up as being made in China! 

Maybe in Canada they already had Made in China tan ikealoops, but not in Europe

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Ok I completely missed that.
At my Ikea (in Canada) the brown Ladda AAs have had the made in China label for the last few years. I dont know if they were Japan before that.
The white 2450mah are still labeled made in Japan.

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hIKARInoob wrote:
Are they still Eneloops? Because if so, I thought Chinese Eneloops were practically of the same quality as Japanese Eneloops.

No. A few years ago over on CPF there was some long-duration cycle tests done on Chinese vs. Japanese Eneloops. They started out very similar, but the Chinese ones only got a little over half the number of cycles as the Japanese ones.

Basically, Chinese Eneloops are okay, but they’re nowhere near the same quality as the Japanese ones. If you only use them for a couple of years and throw them out, you probably wouldn’t notice any difference. Otherwise, go for the real Japanese ones.

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hIKARInoob wrote:
Are they still Eneloops? Because if so, I thought Chinese Eneloops were practically of the same quality as Japanese Eneloops.

No. A few years ago over on CPF there was some long-duration cycle tests done on Chinese vs. Japanese Eneloops. They started out very similar, but the Chinese ones only got a little over half the number of cycles as the Japanese ones.

Basically, Chinese Eneloops are okay, but they’re nowhere near the same quality as the Japanese ones. If you only use them for a couple of years and throw them out, you probably wouldn’t notice any difference. Otherwise, go for the real Japanese ones.

Thank you for this info Thumbs Up . Wow, I hope Panasonic is aware of this as well. I’m certainly not against made in China, but I do prefer companies like Panasonic/Sanyo not to outsource to foreign countries.

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IKEA’s supplier contracts regularly come up for review, with an eye on lowering costs, if not squeezing (even long time) suppliers. The price drops touted with each new catalog have to come from somewhere.

A Billy bookcase or a set of Helmer drawers, to name two long-serving products, are not the same items they are today as they were ten, or even five years ago. Externally, they make look mostly similar, but the designs have changed, likely along with the supplier as well.

The BBC did a series on the company, and among the stories documented was how a long time supplier lost one product contract to a cheaper competitor, and the fight to replace that business with a different product and preserve the multi-generational family business and the jobs of its employees.

That’s the way business runs, and it’s not unique to IKEA.

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Ok I completely missed that. At my Ikea (in Canada) the brown Ladda AAs have had the made in China label for the last few years. I dont know if they were Japan before that. The white 2450mah are still labeled made in Japan.

Interesting, do you have some pictures? Or a link where I can see that? (about the brown Laddas)

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‘Eneloop’ is now just a trade name owned by Panasonic and nothing more. Panasonic has marketed NiMH batteries sourced from their factory(ies) in China using ‘Eneloop,’ mostly for the Asian and Oceania markets.

It’s been this way for a couple/few years.

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Nooner wrote:
Ok I completely missed that. At my Ikea (in Canada) the brown Ladda AAs have had the made in China label for the last few years. I dont know if they were Japan before that. The white 2450mah are still labeled made in Japan.

Interesting, do you have some pictures? Or a link where I can see that? (about the brown Laddas)

I checked Ikea.ca but the description doesn’t indicate the country of origin. The first time I bought Ladda batteries was probably about 2-3 years ago. At that time the brown AAs were definitely marked made in China.

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@ChibiM, what happened for your messenger to send you a message about this?

There has always been 1000mAh AAs Chinealoops and 2450mAh AAs Japan Ikealoops in IKEA fron what I’ve gathered buying cells over there.

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@ChibiM, what happened for your messenger to send you a message about this?

There has always been 1000mAh AAs Chinealoops and 2450mAh AAs Japan Ikealoops in IKEA fron what I’ve gathered buying cells over there.


So… they’ve been selling both 1000mAh from China and Japan side-by-side? (See the pics in OP).

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Yep.

1000mAh 5000 cycles, and 2450mAh 500-1000 cycles.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Yep.

1000mAh 5000 cycles, and 2450mAh 500-1000 cycles.


No, the OP shows 1000mAh from China AND 1000mAh from Japan. There was a change in stock. It has nothing to do with the 2450mAh version.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
@ChibiM, what happened for your messenger to send you a message about this? There has always been 1000mAh AAs Chinealoops and 2450mAh AAs Japan Ikealoops in IKEA fron what I've gathered buying cells over there.

He will bring them back, and sent me 1 package. He will also check whether the white AA's are still the ones Made in Japan. 

That could definitely be the case in certain countries, at least it's not a positive sign when the move away from the Japan made ones to the China made ones. 

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I found brown AA "made in China" @ikea vienna

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M4D M4X wrote:

I found brown AA "made in China" @ikea vienna

Did they have Made in Japan there before as well?

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I am not sure (I only have bought the white Ladda) 

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M4D M4X wrote:

I am not sure (I only have bought the white Ladda) 

Thanks.. I should double check mine as well that I bought a few weeks ago... hopefully they are the ones from Japan

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White ladda 2450 and AAA also all made in Japan at my local Ikea