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Standardized UI for ALL flashlights!

It’s not unusual for people to own multiple flashlights, perhaps for different purposes.
The problem is that each flashlight has it’s own UI and requires learning. Sometimes you have to learn 5 different UIs and this is very ineffective. What if you need to light something fast? Like power goes out, it’s complete darkness and you need light fast. With so many different UIs you can easily get confused and start with strobe or something.

Anyways, the bottom line is that there is no need for different UIs because the ramping UI is by far the best. Easy to operate and you select exactly how much brightness you want. There’s no need for 5 different modes. So ramping UI replaces most of the complicated and unnecessary extra modes.
Also, electronic lock-out is useless. Nobody uses it! It makes turning the light on again a mess. So that’s another useless mode out.
Same for beacon. Nobody needs that.
The only useful extra modes are strobe, momentary and battery check and these can be assigned to multiple clicks because they are rarely used.
Double-click should be reserved for switching leds, like on lights with multiple colored leds.
That’s it. Very simple to operate UI. And all flashlights should have this.
What do you think? How can we get all manufacturers to follow it?

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The firmware used by BLF from our own members is pretty “standardized”. Not officially by any governing organization, but at least recognized by manufacturers and enthusiasts.

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I would say that perfect for you is terrible for me.

I support options and reprogramming capabilities.

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I’m all for this concept too, but we passed the on/off Maglight generation and flashlight technology, design, style, performance and execution has gotten so diverse I don’t think people can ever agree on one UI.

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Standardized UI for ALL flashlights!
It’s not unusual for people to own multiple flashlights, perhaps for different purposes.
The problem is that each flashlight has it’s own UI and requires learning. Sometimes you have to learn 5 different UIs and this is very ineffective. What if you need to light something fast? Like power goes out, it’s complete darkness and you need light fast. With so many different UIs you can easily get confused and start with strobe or something.

Anyways, the bottom line is that there is no need for different UIs because the ramping UI is by far the best. Easy to operate and you select exactly how much brightness you want. There’s no need for 5 different modes. So ramping UI replaces most of the complicated and unnecessary extra modes.
Nah, I’ll keep my shortcuts and discrete modes thanks
Also, electronic lock-out is useless. Nobody uses it! It makes turning the light on again a mess. So that’s another useless mode out.
You’ve asked everyone if they use it?
Same for beacon. Nobody needs that.
The only useful extra modes are strobe, momentary and battery check and these can be assigned to multiple clicks because they are rarely used.
Double-click should be reserved for switching leds, like on lights with multiple colored leds.
That’s it. Very simple to operate UI. And all flashlights should have this.
What do you think? How can we get all manufacturers to follow it?

I’d say the VAST majority of lights I’ve seen anyone own use mechanical switches or buttons, so any ramping that would require an e-switch is out simply because of that.

If we really want to talk about muggle lights a simple 2-mode low/high UI is really the way to go. Anything else is a solution looking for a problem.

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This is not standardization, it is uniformization.
What are we going to do with manufacturers and users not following the Great Standardization, send them to reeducation camps ?
And people trying to innovate, will they be considered deviants ?

Please keep in mind that not all people have the same preferences, needs and way of using things.

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good one.

little late for april fools day though.

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Sorry but it is ignorance to think that what works for you is the best and everybody have to line up. 
If it was true, there were no so many UIs.

Some people do need electrical lock and other need strobe. Some need 1 mode and other 5 modes.

Also it is not always possible to use the same UI on different lights with different HW. 


You can learn to flash UI and flash all your lights with the same UI that fits best for you.

 

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The lights with mechanical switches should only have 2 modes, hi and low.
But the switch should only switch between 1 mode and off when using it normally.
The 2nd mode can be activated quickly by pushing forward the button like on the Fenix. Then the light remembers the selected mode for normal switching

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Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

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i would like 8 levels

.3 1 3 10 30 100 300 1000

that’s it

no memory
on is one press, off is a long-ish press
with fast switching via short/half – presses

MAYBE the ability to go back one level by a long press or something

after 1000 lumens, back to .3

it’s like ramping but way faster and ignoring level changes that cannot be seen

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YuvalS wrote:

Sorry but it is ignorance to think that what works for you is the best and everybody have to line up. 
If it was true, there were no so many UIs.

Some people do need electrical lock and other need strobe. Some need 1 mode and other 5 modes.


Also it is not always possible to use the same UI on different lights with different HW. 



You can learn to flash UI and flash all your lights with the same UI that fits best for you.


 


Just because people think they need something doesn’t mean they do. Most people believe they need a 4K TV or phone but in reality anything over 720p is an overkill. Just wasted energy for no benefit.
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kat wrote:
Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

Why would you need 1000s of levels when you just need 3. Wink
Why would you need 820 lumens when 800 makes no differences ?
N.B.: Actually, there is no ramping UI with 1000s of levels.
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We cannot agree if we need standard UI or not, do you believe we can agree on 1 standard UI?

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kat wrote:
Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

Here is one reason: With ramping, you never know exactly at what output level you are, which means you can’t accurately estimate runtime.
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kat wrote:
Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

I wouldn’t go that way!! I guess that even if ramping can give us those “levels” or more, having preset established levels is a way to be sure of what we will have when we do the next press on the switch! For people that don’t use ramping, that is a major thing. You will have level X and then Y and that’s what you expect (or need)

Also, and again, we will all have different UI preferences. So I believe we won’t need to get too rational or too emotional Big Smile Innocent

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Also, electronic lock-out is useless. Nobody uses it!
How do you know that nobody uses it? Just because you don’t, it doesn’t mean nobody does.

I use lock-out on my Nitecore Tip every time I travel with it to prevent accidental turn-on in the bag.

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What do you think?
I think you are barking up a wrong tree. The whole beauty of BLF community and the manufacturers that tailor to it is the variety that it offers. We all like different things, and having different UIs and flashlights gives us options.
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I have a driver with 3 constant current levels (no PWM) how do you plan to use your standard UI with it? 

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MascaratumB wrote:
EDIT: There is no “One Ring to Rule them ALL” in what concerns to flashlights! Hat

A control ring (rotary) maybe ? Wink
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Tally-ho wrote:
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EDIT: There is no “One Ring to Rule them ALL” in what concerns to flashlights! Hat
A control ring (rotary) maybe ? Wink

Ahah, I knew you’d catch this one Evil

I guess even with a control ring people would still need/want different things as UI, either it was preset levels, rampings, stepless dimming or anything else Big Smile
But, for sure, a control ring is a good way to please many people. (While another amount would still dislike Big Smile ) Beer

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This is just another “if it’s useless to me, it’s useless for everybody!” thread. Ignore.

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no memory on is one press, off is a long-ish press

And that’s why we can’t have nice things. All right-thinking people agree that long-press for off is of the devil. Evil

Why can’t Linux standardize on one desktop, and all programmers settle for one programming language? SMH.

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Mike C wrote:
This is just another “if it’s useless to me, it’s useless for everybody!” thread. Ignore.

Pretty much, yeah. Get out of your bubbles, kids, the world is far larger than that of your Fakebook circle.

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kat wrote:
Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

Finding a particular output quickly is a pain. EVERY ramping UI I have used is either too fast to get exactly the ouput I want, or too slow to do so with.

kat wrote:
YuvalS wrote:

Sorry but it is ignorance to think that what works for you is the best and everybody have to line up. 
If it was true, there were no so many UIs.

Some people do need electrical lock and other need strobe. Some need 1 mode and other 5 modes.


Also it is not always possible to use the same UI on different lights with different HW. 



You can learn to flash UI and flash all your lights with the same UI that fits best for you.


 

Just because people think they need something doesn’t mean they do. Most people believe they need a 4K TV or phone but in reality anything over 720p is an overkill. Just wasted energy for no benefit.

I just want to point out this is absolutely untrue, at the average distance from a monitor or TV, with their average size the human eye can see WAY more detail than is even offerred by 4K. And what about photo/video editing? Surely those professionals have no idea what improves their product.

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kat wrote:
Why? Can you tell me a single rational reason why someone needs 5 levels when ramping can provide 1000s of levels?

That is a impossible to answer. What is rational to you may not be to me and vise versa. Sounds like you want to make a UI that you like and then everyone who doesn’t will just have to live with it. Then when you make changes to it we will have to adjust to that as well.

Sounds exactly what we already have.

Grab a driver. Program it to your liking and be happy. A standardized UI probably goes against what most flashlight enthusiast want. We like to modify and make things our own. To have one standard UI would be a insult to those of us who appreciate lights for what they are.

Don’t be upset that lights don’t have exactly the UI you want. Find a way to make it yours. Get dirty, do some research, make it yours. Just don’t try to make it ours.

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How to program a driver?
And why do I need to get a driver?
Can’t original drivers be reprogrammed?

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Multiple UIs are a serious safety issue. Currently i have 4 recent lights with 4 different UIs and two more from from legacy lights. To my wife and any muggle, in a life and death situation, it may very well be death.

That is why i am collecting what i like, but plan to buy a larger EDC and then make it standard in all the cars and house. About 6 lights.

Currently, I’m buying the SP33 which may be it or the Convoy S2.

My better half will then get the same training she got for using firearms. Blindfolded, rinse and repeat. Muscle memory.

Maybe it sounds funny to some, but to me, it borders on lunacy to have an emergency tool that one needs to “figure out”.

EDIT…we’re talking about it and her go-to is the Coast SP14. Back button, click on or off. Zero choices. Zero confusion. Zero panic.

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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Multiple UIs are a serious safety issue. Currently i have 4 recent lights with 4 different UIs and two more from from legacy lights. To my wife and any muggle, in a life and death situation, it may very well be death.

That is why i am collecting what i like, but plan to buy a larger EDC and then make it standard in all the cars and house. About 6 lights.

Currently, I’m buying the SP33 which may be it or the Convoy S2.

My better half will then get the same training she got for using firearms. Blindfolded, rinse and repeat. Muscle memory.

Maybe it sounds funny to some, but to me, it borders on lunacy to have an emergency tool that one needs to “figure out”.

Good thing most lights with complicated UIs aren’t sold specifically as “emergency tools”. That’s what the single mode P60s, Pelicans, etc. are for.

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Multiple UIs are a serious safety issue. Currently i have 4 recent lights with 4 different UIs and two more from from legacy lights. To my wife and any muggle, in a life and death situation, it may very well be death.
For emergency, it’s best to just get some single mode lights or ones that can be programmed to function as such. The simpler the better. Fancy UIs have their place, but not in this case.
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I resemble your absolutist style. LOL

its as simple as 1, 2, 3!

1. IF you like pushing buttons
Olight has the PERFECT UI!
Always buy the same brand, and all your problems will be solved. (not)

2. IF you dont like pushing buttons
Jetbeam RRT-01 has the PERFECT UI! (unless you want a momentary maximum single mode only, then look at Surefire? or you want a tailswitch so you can have a memory function on a rotary, then buy Sunwayman V10R Ti, or not Wink )

3. IF you cant decide between the two, dial or button, HDS has the PERFECT UI, it has both! (except the rotary dial sucks on that light, it skips levels in hops that feel like a strobe, and half the dial is spent on 12 different levels below 2 lumens)

wait, what?
LOL

thanks for the comic relief:-)

I respect your enthusiastic style Kat
I think we should meet in person.. and get to know each other better Wink

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Spartan wrote:
Multiple UIs are a serious safety issue. Currently i have 4 recent lights with 4 different UIs and two more from from legacy lights. To my wife and any muggle, in a life and death situation, it may very well be death.
For emergency, it’s best to just get some single mode lights or ones that can be programmed to function as such. The simpler the better. Fancy UIs have their place, but not in this case.

I agree and disagree……

The “panic” situation happened recently when we thought we heard something in our house. Watching tv and suddenly some loud noise……shut off the tv…..I quietly shuffle to the den and grab the Q8…she grabs the phone….I turn on the Q* and NOTHING…..oops, tighten it up…..ramp it up……shut it off so we have surprise advantage and wait for any new noises. Nothing. Do a quick tour to make sure nothing there.

Take away is that I had a tiny WTF because I forgot that I unscrew the lights and had to hold it against my body to ramp it up. The Coast HP 14 is simply click on to full power. She would NOT grab the Q8 to investigate, she would grab the Coast. So now, I have to find a light that replaces that and put one in the kitchen, one in the bedroom, one in the family room and one in each car.

So yes, the Q8 is a hobby light…and NOT a hobby light. It’s 5000 lumens not only flood the entire house or yard, but on an inside the house inspection, it’s light penetrates massively through the curtains and warns anyone outside that there is someone home.

Moses came from the mountaintop carrying a tablet. The Words were....WITH GREAT LUMENS COMES GREAT REPONSIBILITY.

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