[Interest & Feasibility Check] Sofirn SP10S "BLF edition" with Andúril

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Interested.

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Interested too in a BLF GB variant. I have the SP10S in Blue, and one of my favorite EDC AA/14500 lights. It works great with wither a 14500, AA Alkaline, or a NimH AA.
u mean this? Sofirn-SP10S-90-CRI-LH351D-800lm is this a nice light to buy if u dont have one that runs on 14500 and with the nice samsung emitter good buy ?
It's a great light. I have the SP10B and SP10S and was going to do some comparison shots but haven't got round to it yet. If they combined the UI of both of those lights it would be my favourite budget AA light.

 

Sofirn SP10B and Sofirn SP10Av2.0 use the same XP-G2 (more focused/throwy). SP10B on Turbo is slightly brighter than SP10Av2.0 on Turbo mode.

The SP10S using LH351D is more floody.

 

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I’m in!

especially if the same colours are offered and magnetic tailcap. I was looking into getting the sp10s anyway. i’ll just hold out.

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Sofirn should make the threads on the tube the same so you can flip the tube and clip it to the brim on your hat.

Or just widen the groove near the head so you can flip the clip around.

Interested

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BlueSwordM wrote:
Eh I’m not really interested in this.

Why? Lack of AA compatibility here

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I don’t want to actually buy or use 14500s.

If they had the same gravimetric energy density as 18650s, I’d go.

Otherwise, no.

Lord_Polymath wrote:
Interested if I can use a AA Lithium.
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For me E-switch and EDC aren’t compatible. Support of a wide range of cells is handy. My guess is that AA support sells better outside the flashaholic community. A simple UI would be fine. An UI like Zebralight would be great. Interesting idea but more a toy than an EDC light.

Thumbs up to these guys.

Maybe someday someone will make a great AA edc light, but so far we just have compromises and/or poor design.

And it’s odd really- we see such innovation in the 18650 category, but not even a handful of truly great AA lights, despite the fact that very few people carry 18650 lights 24/7 but they do/would carry an AA size light.

Honestly this should be the next BLF project. Call it “Best AA”. No crazy turbo boost 14500 ramping sideswitch programmable gimmick light. Just a simple AA with everything done right in all aspects. Haven’t seen one yet.

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The AA is not really a flashaholic battery. It’s weak and not rechargable. Maybe this is why we don’t have any BLF designed AA lights?

There are some small 16340 lights, that’s what I carry daily. USB-C charging built in, I think 700 lumen capable. Great little light.

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I would like a better 16340/CR123A light, more than an AA

it is smaller, has more energy, and is rechargeable [16340 anyway]

i’ve had several of them
perfect size
but they either broke, or i got tired of their UI limitations and annoyances

now i am back to 18650/anduril (FW3A) which solves everything but size

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JasonWW wrote:
The AA is not really a flashaholic battery.

Maybe that’s true, but it’s great for actually carrying and leaving in jeans pocket 24/7/365-a-holics

JasonWW wrote:
It’s weak and not rechargable.

An Energizer Lithium is awesome, and doesn’t need to be rechargeable. I don’t think I’ve ever changed one out of necessity. Maybe like 3 changes per year, just for fun.
It’s perfect for an always-with-you light. It’s not meant to be a primary light for a night security guard, waving in cruise ships, or 4 hour “night hikes”- whatever those are.
For a light like this, requiring or being optimized for 14500 turbo battery is a downside. 14500 sucks, frankly.

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There are some small 16340 lights

Not the same nor an alternative to a good small AA light. Too fat + always crappy clip and clip placement. Clip entry point too near end of light. Not good for one handed re-clipping. And almost always side switch.

See, this is what I’m talking about- very few people understand the point of or the crucial features of a good AA light.

I guess I’ll have to make it.

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Nord wrote:

See, this is what I’m talking about- very few people understand the point of or the crucial features of a good AA light.

I guess I’ll have to make it.


please do!

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I think the SP10 would be much better suited for edc pocket carry if the side switch was recessed like on Zebralights. As proud as the SP10S switch is it seems pocket activation could be a common annoyance without locking it out.
@Nord, the Tool AA has been my favorite sized aa light as it’s quite slim. If it had an efficient neutral white option and a Biscotti-like firmware, it would be near perfect in my mind.

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JasonWW wrote:
The AA is not really a flashaholic battery. It’s weak and not rechargable. Maybe this is why we don’t have any BLF designed AA lights?

For many of us AA means LSD NiMH (Eneloop). That is still weak (no so much as alkaleaks), but it is rechargeable, while having longer shelf life than Li-ion and needing much less care (can be fully depleted, overcharged or mismatched without any fire/explosion hazard). I also think a great AA flashlight is much needed and would be really popular.

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i would want it to be smaller than FW3A, for instance, or i would not bother

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Nobody wants to respond and confirm if this project is still being considered at least…

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In for “best AA”!

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Ventsi wrote:
Nobody wants to respond and confirm if this project is still being considered at least…

Yes, it sure seems that way. The OP mentions Barry being interested in this project. At this time, I suspect he is up to his earlobes in dealing with the LT1. Hopefully when that dies down a bit (maybe Q1 2020) this can be the next Sofirn project.

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I am in for that AA light.

The best light is the one in your pocket when you need some.

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As far as I know this project is still alive. Don’t worry. I keep you updated.

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Just realized I never expressed my interest.
Interested. Not so much if 14500 only.

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I’m interested in a AA light with Anduril, not at all in a 14500 light.

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Nord wrote:

Maybe someday someone will make a great AA edc light, but so far we just have compromises and/or poor design.

And it’s odd really- we see such innovation in the 18650 category, but not even a handful of truly great AA lights, despite the fact that very few people carry 18650 lights 24/7 but they do/would carry an AA size light.

Honestly this should be the next BLF project. Call it “Best AA”. No crazy turbo boost 14500 ramping sideswitch programmable gimmick light. Just a simple AA with everything done right in all aspects. Haven’t seen one yet.


Oh yeah, there is also the issue of boost drivers. To run a 3v led on a 1.5 volt battery does require a boost driver and we only just started seeing some aftermarket ones from MTN E. I don’t think there is anyone at BLF willing to make a small boost driver (less than 17mm). Lexel is working on bigger ones, but are not out yet. We are kind of at the mercy of the OEM companies to make the driver then we would need to get Toykeeper to get Anduril or Bistro, etc… to work with it. They may even need to design the driver together. The market is definitely bigger for 18650 sized boost drivers so those probably have priority.

The only boost drivers we have now are these 12mm ones with basic UI.

I guess if demand is high enough we could get a OEM company to come onboard.

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interested

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@Nord, the Tool AA has been my favorite sized aa light as it’s quite slim. If it had an efficient neutral white option and a Biscotti-like firmware, it would be near perfect in my mind.

Tool AA is pretty decent given what’s available I agree (I have one), but it’s also a perfect example of how people seeking a great edc AA are forced to settle. The clip placement alone basically eliminates it immediately from consideration as an “always in your pocket” light. The amount sticking out of your pocket makes it both awkward and uncomfortable, especially when sitting, and also more likely to fall out. The clip is also ever so slightly too flimsy, and the clip tip is not ramped enough or to the right degree, which makes one-handed re-clipping very difficult on jeans. (the discontinued Thrunite T10 is an example of a pocket clip done right). The emitter of course is too cool as mentioned. And the whole thing seems to get much hotter more quickly than some other lights.

And this is one of the better options for AA lights. As you can see, the category is pretty dire.

(yes there’s ZL 53 etc, but it has a big head (and too chunky overall), outdated emitter choices, too shallow reflector creating wasted weak spill, side switch, user-unfriendly disassembly & modding, and expensive. I actually do like it as a thing in itself, but it’s not configured right for my imagined Best AA attributes)

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* interesting techincal considerations *

You are smart, I want you on Best AA Team, even though you are not a big believer in the category… yet Innocent

sbslider wrote:
please do!
Gunga wrote:
In for “best AA”!

Let’s make it happen! I don’t want to hijack this sofirn thing any further. I will create a “Best AA” thread to get things rolling.

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Protruding side switch - 15 years in prison
Memory mode only after X seconds - 12 years in prison
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*Latest Statutes*

"Two-way" clips - 25 years in prison

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Well, it's good to see someone here who wants to get into competition. Competition is often a good thing. While it appears nothing is happening, there actually is something ongoing in the background and Sofirn is working on it to make the idea of an AA/14500 Andúril flashlight come true.

JasonWW wrote:
(...) I don't think there is anyone at BLF willing to make a small boost driver (less than 17mm). Lexel is working on bigger ones, but are not out yet. We are kind of at the mercy of the OEM companies to make the driver then we would need to get Toykeeper to get Anduril or Bistro, etc... to work with it. They may even need to design the driver together. (...)
Exactly this is happening already. Sofirn and a reputable team of driver experts like gchart, Lexel, kikkoman, Tom E and Toykeeper try to figure something out.
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Lux-Perpetua wrote:
Exactly this is happening already. Sofirn and a reputable team of driver experts like gchart, Lexel, kikkoman, Tom E and Toykeeper try to figure something out.

Oh, that is good news.

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Nord wrote:

Not the same nor an alternative to a good small AA light. Too fat + always crappy clip and clip placement. Clip entry point too near end of light. Not good for one handed re-clipping. And almost always side switch.

See, this is what I’m talking about- very few people understand the point of or the crucial features of a good AA light.

I guess I’ll have to make it.

I wonder if it is because of the overwhelming amount of work being done with 18650 lights. 18650 lights are amazing, but probably not for the average consumer. Almost nobody I work with at school has even seen these new LED lights we have, and even less even know about 18650 batteries.

Love it or hate it, AA sized batteries are still very much the standard for consumer electronics. I definitely think we need to get more legit AA lights simply because those batteries can be purchased anywhere. (and the size is easier to carry)

I think something people often forget is that there is a majority of the population that knows absolutely nothing about their hobbies. (none of my students know about flashing ROMs on their phones, and people on forums act like everybody should know how to do it or call phones DOA because it is missing some random feature that 99% of the people won’t ever use)

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I wonder if the average consumer who likes AA batteries would also balk at the idea of spending more that $3 on a flashlight. They are like, “What? $25 for a flashlight? You must be crazy.” Hence very few well made AA flashlights.

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JasonWW wrote:
The AA is not really a flashaholic battery. It's weak and not rechargable. Maybe this is why we don't have any BLF designed AA lights?

 

What the hell are you talking about ?

 There are lots of BLF AA lights . .

 

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Boaz wrote:

JasonWW wrote:
The AA is not really a flashaholic battery. It’s weak and not rechargable. Maybe this is why we don’t have any BLF designed AA lights?
What are you talking about? There are lots of BLF AA lights

I’m simply repeating what people are saying. Tell them, not me.

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Gotta give credit to all the people who worked on getting these AA BLF lights made. 

 

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Jason, I don’t think that is a correct assessment really. I mean basically everyone here has a T10 or Tool AA or Sofirn or ZL AA something similar, so I don’t think it’s accurate to say BLF peeps are not really AA light consumers.

I am surprised at this dismissal of AA lights. Very few people, even here, are carrying an 18650 light 24/7. Most only carry them when anticipating a specific need, or for their occupation, or to simply play around. Even the smallest 18650 light is a hefty and bulky item to clip to a jeans pocket and leave there permanently. That role is perfect for the AA light. It’s a light that’s always there, yet small and unobtrusive, while still being a “real” light in handling and function as opposed to a keychain AAA or something. You can get plenty sufficient lumens, and sufficient runtime, especially with L91’s. You could buy an 8 pack and it will last most people as many years, or close to it. And if one wants to use rechargeables, there is that option.

The purpose of an always in the pocket AA is not an overdriven turbo boost light with artificially high output and constant recharging. There are 18650 for that, and do it far better than the 14500

The best AA light is one with the appropriate output for the source, at a sustained level, with an optimized design for that battery to maximize efficiency. Not 700 lumen bursts.

Basically what ZL does with the SC53, but make it with some better emitter choices (sst-20 and others), less bulky, deeper reflector, tail clicky, and user friendly disassembly.

There is no need for new tech to make that happen. And it can be at a lower pricepoint that ZL

Nord Dictatorship:

Flashlight design violations-

Long press for off - Death Penalty
High ride clip - 35 years hard labor
Protruding side switch - 15 years in prison
Memory mode only after X seconds - 12 years in prison
Only offering outdated Cree emitters - 10 years in prison

*Latest Statutes*

"Two-way" clips - 25 years in prison

Further legislation underway

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