My Imalent DX80 caught fire, vented smoke, almost exploded (replacement head arrived)

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wow, that looks bad. I am so glad you are OK

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Terrifying. So this was just a QC fail?

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Glad it was not more serious.

I have heard so many bad things about this manufacturer[add another],,,,,,,,,,It is a wonder people still buy these lights. Facepalm

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Relampago wrote:
Terrifying. So this was just a QC fail?

I have no idea.. the head of this light is glued very solid, so i can;t get it apart to see what failed, but either way the driver is burnt to a crisp, and parts now are lose inside and rattle around. it made a hiss with some crackling & a popping noise before i managed to get the battery tube off it to stop the smoke from spraying out of it.

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Imalent might try some funny business if you keep trying to disassemble the light.

See this thread:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65171
VOB did a full tear down and the only way to access the driver was to completely destroy the head of the light

Imalent may try to claim foul play if you start ripping pieces apart that they’ve purposefully designed to never come apart

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mattadores wrote:
Imalent might try some funny business if you keep trying to disassemble the light.

See this thread:
http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65171
VOB did a full tear down and the only way to access the driver was to completely destroy the head of the light

Imalent may try to claim foul play if you start ripping pieces apart that they’ve purposefully designed to never come apart

I only tried to loosen the driver ring once, then stopped as i know its best to leaf it as is until they get back to me.

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I wonder what would be the best way to present your case to them? If you present yourself as an average ignorant consumer they could try to take advantage of your “ignorance” and give you the runaround. On the other hand, if you make it clear you are a flashlight expert that is active on a large forum, they might think you were monkeying around with something on the light.

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Didn’t know drivers can catch fire. I hope they figure out what caused it. With the MS18 with 8×21700 high drain cells, it would be even more dangerous. I’m planning to buy the MS18 and R90TS too.

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I think we’re all really interested in how Imalent is going to respond to this.

Basically a week or two before they launch their mothership $700-$800 100,000 lumen light, their two year old flagship that’s still for sale nearly blows up.

I can’t help but think that it’s just a plain bad decision to drop any more money on this brand. I get mfg defects but a mega light almost blowing up… like someone mentioned, what if that had happened to someone other than you and they would’ve just dropped it and run… I assume it could’ve caught fire internally and it’s only so much heat before those cells vent…

lol other cheap Chinese mfgs have sharp edges and fake drivers that just don’t work or fail. Blowing up after you’ve completed a full recall… That’s another level!

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sb56637 wrote:
I wonder what would be the best way to present your case to them? If you present yourself as an average ignorant consumer they could try to take advantage of your “ignorance” and give you the runaround. On the other hand, if you make it clear you are a flashlight expert that is active on a large forum, they might think you were monkeying around with something on the light.

I believe Martin has already contacted Imalent regarding the issue and that they’re aware of the circumstances & that the owner is a member on BLF

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I wonder what would be the best way to present your case to them? If you present yourself as an average ignorant consumer they could try to take advantage of your “ignorance” and give you the runaround. On the other hand, if you make it clear you are a flashlight expert that is active on a large forum, they might think you were monkeying around with something on the light.

It is difficult to know how to approach Imalent on this case. They are aware that the DX80 has some serious failure issues form past incidents, but in my case my light as indicated in my past topics & posts on the DX80 has indicated i left this light completely stock without modifying it in any way. Also they can know that a well known flashlight user member of a well known forum who got injured by their defective DX80 can also damage their already fragile reputation with back lash. my fingers are still stinging a bit from the hot smoke gas from it.

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SKV89 wrote:
Didn’t know drivers can catch fire. I hope they figure out what caused it. With the MS18 with 8×21700 high drain cells, it would be even more dangerous. I’m planning to buy the MS18 and R90TS too.

The battery pack on this light can provide nearly 50+ amps at 15 volts to a shorting driver, and in a air tight enclosed capsule like the head of the DX80 it can be a bad situation with a ton of arcing and a fire building up pressure. (its what happened here)

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SKV89 wrote:
Didn’t know drivers can catch fire.

Me neither. Although I guess it’s a small relief to know that it wasn’t a Li-Ion fire, which would be flat out terrifying. (I also own a DX80, gift.)

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mattadores wrote:
I think we’re all really interested in how Imalent is going to respond to this.

Basically a week or two before they launch their mothership $700-$800 100,000 lumen light, their two year old flagship that’s still for sale nearly blows up.

I can’t help but think that it’s just a plain bad decision to drop any more money on this brand. I get mfg defects but a mega light almost blowing up… like someone mentioned, what if that had happened to someone other than you and they would’ve just dropped it and run… I assume it could’ve caught fire internally and it’s only so much heat before those cells vent…

lol other cheap Chinese mfgs have sharp edges and fake drivers that just don’t work or fail. Blowing up after you’ve completed a full recall… That’s another level!

if i had not quickly un-threadded the battery tube to release the building pressure in the head and cut off the current, (which is where the venting hot smoke burned my hand) it would have likely blown out the lens sending glass shrapnel forward, or worse.

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Glad to hear you were not hurt.

You have to kinda expect things like this when buying high-power and particularly multi-cell Chinese flashlights.

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DBSAR, glad to hear you dodged the bullet….Whooohhhhhh.. Burns are nasty business… Hang in there. Shocked !!

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Very, very glad your cells didn’t vent. Cells venting is indeed terrifying and I’m sure we’ve all watched the videos.

(I’m a vaper so I’ve looked into it extensively)

Only about a month ago it actually reached another level… A Texas man had his vape set wrong and was drawing way to many amps so it vented. The difference between his situation and all the rest was that it exploded with so much force it launched a piece of shrapnel into his neck which tore his carotid artery and killed him.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/health/exploding-vape-pen-death-trnd/index.html

That’s a 1-2 cell set-up with light metal. The DX80 with 8 cells and thick aluminum could’ve become a pipe bomb

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Thanks for reporting this.

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DBSAR wrote:
sb56637 wrote:
I wonder what would be the best way to present your case to them? If you present yourself as an average ignorant consumer they could try to take advantage of your “ignorance” and give you the runaround. On the other hand, if you make it clear you are a flashlight expert that is active on a large forum, they might think you were monkeying around with something on the light.

It is difficult to know how to approach Imalent on this case. They are aware that the DX80 has some serious failure issues form past incidents, but in my case my light as indicated in my past topics & posts on the DX80 has indicated i left this light completely stock without modifying it in any way. Also they can know that a well known flashlight user member of a well known forum who got injured by their defective DX80 can also damage their already fragile reputation with back lash. my fingers are still stinging a bit from the hot smoke gas from it.

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Very, very glad your cells didn’t vent. Cells venting is indeed terrifying and I’m sure we’ve all watched the videos.

(I’m a vaper so I’ve looked into it extensively)

Only about a month ago it actually reached another level… A Texas man had his vape set wrong and was drawing way to many amps so it vented. The difference between his situation and all the rest was that it exploded with so much force it launched a piece of shrapnel into his neck which tore his carotid artery and killed him.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/health/exploding-vape-pen-death-trnd/index.html

That’s a 1-2 cell set-up with light metal. The DX80 with 8 cells and thick aluminum could’ve become a pipe bomb

I did a test once forcing a 18650 to vent inside a working flashlight. its on my youtube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6acpwEqp5zg&t=96s

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Wow, I’m interested to hear what Imalent’s reaction is to this. I know stuff happens and there are faults in production with anything but this could have been worse than it was.

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Wow, I’m interested to hear what Imalent’s reaction is to this. I know stuff happens and there are faults in production with anything but this could have been worse than it was.

I’m uploading a video now explaining the DX80 incident, will be online shortly. (I sent Imalent an email inquiring on it, but unknown when i will hear back, or if i will hear back..

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DBSAR wrote:
mattadores wrote:
Very, very glad your cells didn’t vent. Cells venting is indeed terrifying and I’m sure we’ve all watched the videos.

(I’m a vaper so I’ve looked into it extensively)

Only about a month ago it actually reached another level… A Texas man had his vape set wrong and was drawing way to many amps so it vented. The difference between his situation and all the rest was that it exploded with so much force it launched a piece of shrapnel into his neck which tore his carotid artery and killed him.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/health/exploding-vape-pen-death-trnd/index.html

That’s a 1-2 cell set-up with light metal. The DX80 with 8 cells and thick aluminum could’ve become a pipe bomb

I did a test once forcing a 18650 to vent inside a working flashlight. its on my youtube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6acpwEqp5zg&t=96s

Great video. also couldn’t help but laugh midway through to the haaawwwkrrr pheww lol

ya that’s what I expected. now amplify the cells by 8 and cause the venting by heat (looks like you did it by short circuit?). I’ve seen youtubes where they force venting by use of a heat gun and that consistently provides the most explosive results

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ok here is a quick video explaining the DX80 incident from last night:

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its just scary how it worked well and then like a ticking bomb it went off.. that light should be sent back to imalent i dont know so they can look into what happend if they want, they should pay for shipping back and show they take this serious because its getting out of hand with the QA issues with this light and others too, but this is just on a different level what happend.

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Imalent just advised that they’ve solved the problem!!

All new and currently for sale Imalent lights will now include the necessary protective gear which should be used at all times when operating, handling or charging their flashlights:

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I am glad you are okay and something really bad didn’t happen. They should replace that without questions and with apologies.

One day someone is going to get killed by these crap lights, not if but when.

 

 

 

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Not ALL Imalent are bad.
I have 2 x DN series. (35/70)
and they probably my most used lights when I go outside with one.
Several yrs and not a missed a beat.
although when you on near max output/capacity with torches,
You also nearer to Whoopsy too.
Glad you weren’t burnt or eyes damaged.

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Wow…. Glad to hear you are basically OK DBSAR.
Thanks for sharing this.

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Yikes! I’m glad your injuries weren’t more serious.

BTW, I’ve found that for minor burns, immediately soaking the area in room temperature water provides amazing relief. Don’t be tempted to use cold water or ice water.

When I burn my hand in the kitchen or shop, an hour in a bowl of water usually cures the pain for good. I’m always surprised that it doesn’t begin to hurt later on.

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