FW3A optics issues Announcement Carclo optics Arrive

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Thanks. By remove bezel, do you mean open the battery compartment and twist out the circuit with some kind of wrench to get to the optic? No wrench here… Don’t see any other way in.

If it is the all plastic 2nd gen, what the heck did I wait a month and a half for? When I ordered the light, there was no message posted about waiting/cancelling/etc. It wasn’t until a couple of weeks later when I went back to track my order that I saw the optic announcement. I was under the impression after reading the announcement that if I didn’t say cancel or ship now, I’d get the glass lens and correct optic.

The “bezel” is located on the bright end of the flashlight, between the knurling (textured bit for grip) and the very edge. If you hold the knurling and rotate the smooth portion (on the bright end) counter clockwise, it should unscrew. if you have a plastic optic and a glass lens (in two pieces) then you have the original Carlco 10511 and the glass lens.

Alternatively, you could just use a clean finger and touch the lens/optic and see if it is glass or plastic.

This only matters if you want to switch from the newer style “not carlco” optic to a different optic because the newer style is one piece and you won’t have the lens in front of the optic for waterproofing. If you do not intend to swap the optic for a different style (narrow spot clear, elliptical, etc), it doesn’t really make a difference for day to day usage.

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Thanks. Well now I’m pissed. It’s definitely one piece of plastic. No glass. What the hell took 1.5 months to get to me?

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Yeah, the head is actually two pieces. The bezel is at the far front, and if it is tight it can look like only one piece, but it’s actually two. Be careful not to spin the optic when you are screwing the bezel on or off.

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The new optic isn’t much worse, it’s just a little floodier. If you don’t compare them side by side, you won’t really notice. You can also buy a Carlco optic for real cheap and replace it, but then you need a glass lens. Neal has sapphire ones for sale, but I haven’t seen any regular glass anywhere in the right size. To be honest, I’d probably just use it like it is. The difference is very small.

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Thanks. Well now I’m pissed. It’s definitely one piece of plastic. No glass. What the hell took 1.5 months to get to me?

“The Slow Boat”

Every light I have ordered from China has taken me forever to get.. and I wear out my refresh button on the package tracking sites while I wait. Amazon Prime 2 day shipping (and occasionally 1 day) has really spoiled me.

I think Neal also was behind on stock for a bit as well.. I ordered the FW3C on June 16th, and asked for it to ship with the new optic and a glass lens (I have several Carlco lenses) so I could get it sooner. It “shipped” on the 17th of this month, and my light just got to the US today (if I understand the cryptic DHL eCommerce tracking updates). I think it is in NJ, so MAYBE I’ll get it by next week.

Lumintop is selling these through Neal, Illumn, Banggood, and others.. he might have been kept waiting while they stocked other sellers.

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I don’t mind the wait. What I mind is that I ordered on June 13, before there was any message on his website about the optic. I didn’t even know about it until I had emailed for a shipping update 3 weeks after ordering and got no reply for the 3rd time. Someone suggested opening a PayPal dispute to get his attention, which I did and it did. He then emailed me with “Like it says on the website, Wait for the correct optic, Ship now with the newer optic and wait for a 2nd shipment, or cancel. I chose to wait, but I asked him how long, and why someone who had ordered on June 26th on Reddit already had his light with the original 10511/glass while I was still waiting. No reply.

TL:DR There was no delay notice posted when I ordered. I waited and waited and didn’t get the 10511/glass optics anyway. Lame operation.

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I don’t mind the wait. What I mind is that I ordered on June 13, before there was any message on his website about the optic. I didn’t even know about it until I had emailed for a shipping update 3 weeks after ordering and got no reply for the 3rd time. Someone suggested opening a PayPal dispute to get his attention, which I did and it did. He then emailed me with “Like it says on the website, Wait for the correct optic, Ship now with the newer optic and wait for a 2nd shipment, or cancel. I chose to wait, but I asked him how long, and why someone who had ordered on June 26th on Reddit already had his light with the original 10511/glass while I was still waiting. No reply.

TL:DR There was no delay notice posted when I ordered. I waited and waited and didn’t get the 10511/glass optics anyway. Lame operation.


That sounds frustrating. Waiting a long time to get something other than what you asked for is no fun.

His shop is certainly smaller than what most of us are used to over here. I haven’t had any real trouble with any of my orders, but I have experienced the long wait times for replies to any communication. The consensus around here seems to be that he is slow to communicate, but will eventually make it right if you let him know.

This project was anticipated by thousands for something like 3 years and then the light was initially only available through Neal, who I think has somewhere between 1 and 0 employees. To top it all off, his child was born in the middle of all of this, and he was still working on getting orders out to everybody. You have a functional light (albeit with a different option from what you ordered/requested), so I’d say enjoy it as is for now and shoot Neal a short PM on here (most reliable form of communication I’ve used to get in touch with him) to let him know you didn’t receive the Carlco as requested. He will most likely ship you one or work something out.

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Just be sure you don’t have a piece of glass in your packaging somewhere. I chose to wait also. Then Neal said he could ship it immediately with a Carclo 10507. I choose that when he offered. Weeks later when the light arrived, I actually received the plastic. However I also got the glass lens, so I can switch out to a Carclo if I want.  At this point though, I’m kinda digging the plastic one. Might change it later. Options are good. 

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mcdj wrote:
I don’t mind the wait. What I mind is that I ordered on June 13, before there was any message on his website about the optic. I didn’t even know about it until I had emailed for a shipping update 3 weeks after ordering and got no reply for the 3rd time. Someone suggested opening a PayPal dispute to get his attention, which I did and it did. He then emailed me with “Like it says on the website, Wait for the correct optic, Ship now with the newer optic and wait for a 2nd shipment, or cancel. I chose to wait, but I asked him how long, and why someone who had ordered on June 26th on Reddit already had his light with the original 10511/glass while I was still waiting. No reply.

TL:DR There was no delay notice posted when I ordered. I waited and waited and didn’t get the 10511/glass optics anyway. Lame operation.

I feel your pain too. Just went through the same ordeal trying to get a light and other items and not wanting to wait for the new optic but by time he actually responded it had already been several weeks and the new optics were in. I’m curious now to see if mine will actually have the correct optic or not even though he said it would. Def not the greatest way to handle a business. I understand he may be busy and over loaded but if he’s that overloaded he should’ve suspended ordering till he got back in order.

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Nobody has a good point. Check in the little plastic bag that contains o rings. There may be a lens in there.

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You have a functional light

I wish that were true haha. I also ordered a Nitecore UMS2 charger and 2 Sony 14350s and the charger doesn’t seem to recognize the batteries at all. 2 hours seated in the charger and nothing. Buttons don’t work either. Screen is active but otherwise apparently DOA.

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You have a functional light

I wish that were true haha. I also ordered a Nitecore UMS2 charger and 2 Sony 14350s and the charger doesn’t seem to recognize the batteries at all. 2 hours seated in the charger and nothing. Buttons don’t work either. Screen is active but otherwise apparently DOA.

Do you have a DMM (volt meter)?

If yes, what do the cells show when you measure them?

It’s probably more likely that the charger is to blame if the buttons don’t do anything.. but another test would be using a different cell (if you’ve got one) and see what that does.

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Thanks but no DMM, no other cells. This is my first foray into 14350 lights and batteries.

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mcdj wrote:
Thanks but no DMM, no other cells. This is my first foray into 14350 lights and batteries.

Some cells are shipped with clear protective plastic insulators that’s sometimes difficult to see.

If you haven’t checked it, it might help.

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Thanks, confirmed no protectors. :/

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mcdj wrote:
Thanks but no DMM, no other cells. This is my first foray into 14350 lights and batteries.

Just curious, do you mean 18650 cells?

14350 wouldn’t fit in this light.. just making sure.

If you have a friend who vapes, they might be willing to let you try their charger or one of their cells in your charger to figure out which is faulty.

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I’m old. Any friends I have either gave up smoking altogether or never did.

Yes, oops they are Sony VTC6, 18650.

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It was a long shot, but worth a suggestion as some aren’t aware of the overlap in cell usage.

Good luck friend!

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Is it possible the batteries were so flat upon arrival that they would need like 5 hours to even register 1% charge?

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Just be sure you don’t have a piece of glass in your packaging somewhere. I chose to wait also. Then Neal said he could ship it immediately with a Carclo 10507. I choose that when he offered. Weeks later when the light arrived, I actually received the plastic. However I also got the glass lens, so I can switch out to a Carclo if I want.  At this point though, I’m kinda digging the plastic one. Might change it later. Options are good. 

Well what do you know, there was a glass disc hiding in the box! So I dropped it into the front of the unscrewed head, but now the head doesn’t screw all the way down. There are also 2 O-rings…am I supposed to install those somewhere too? If it’s just glass pressing against the optic, not sure how that makes it waterproof.

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Just be sure you don’t have a piece of glass in your packaging somewhere. I chose to wait also. Then Neal said he could ship it immediately with a Carclo 10507. I choose that when he offered. Weeks later when the light arrived, I actually received the plastic. However I also got the glass lens, so I can switch out to a Carclo if I want.  At this point though, I’m kinda digging the plastic one. Might change it later. Options are good. 

Well what do you know, there was a glass disc hiding in the box! So I dropped it into the front of the unscrewed head, but now the head doesn’t screw all the way down. There are also 2 O-rings…am I supposed to install those somewhere too? If it’s just glass pressing against the optic, not sure how that makes it waterproof.

You have to replace the optic with a carclo one in order to use the glass lense. It won’t work with the lumintop optic.

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And the o rings are extras

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Thanks, so I guess this means I definitely waited for 1.5 months for no reason.

So in the even he actually sends the Carclo, which I doubt he will, I drop the new optic, install the glass, and it screws together perfectly? Again, I don’t see how this makes it waterproof.

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mcdj wrote:
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Just be sure you don’t have a piece of glass in your packaging somewhere. I chose to wait also. Then Neal said he could ship it immediately with a Carclo 10507. I choose that when he offered. Weeks later when the light arrived, I actually received the plastic. However I also got the glass lens, so I can switch out to a Carclo if I want.  At this point though, I’m kinda digging the plastic one. Might change it later. Options are good. 

Well what do you know, there was a glass disc hiding in the box! So I dropped it into the front of the unscrewed head, but now the head doesn’t screw all the way down. There are also 2 O-rings…am I supposed to install those somewhere too? If it’s just glass pressing against the optic, not sure how that makes it waterproof.

If you have the new optic and a glass lens, you’ll have to get a carlco optic to replace it before installing the glass lens. The new style is a 2 in 1 and incompatible with the glass lens.

The original Carlco is a 10511, but they have different versions that make more throw or more flood. Get whichever one suites your preference, or get one of each to try them out. I’ll see if I can find a link when I’m back at a computer.

I believe there should be an o-ring between the bezel and the glass or 2 in 1 optic. If you installed a carlco and the glass, you don’t need an additional o-ring between the glass and the optic.

On the cells, they should have some charge (never over discharge a li-ion cell!) as shipped. The ones you have should be wrapped in green, and have exposed metal at either end. The side with holes is the + end and the flat side is the -.

Another test I thought of is to put one into the light. If it lights up, then the issue is likely the charger.

Remember to insert the cells from the head (LED) end for this light, and not from the tail (switch) end so you don’t have to reassemble the tail.

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Thank you. The kind folks over in the chargers sub forum actually made me realize there was a black sticker covering the end of the batteries. They work fine.

Not sure what you mean 2-in-1. All I know is, with the optic and glass together, it doesnt screw closed all the way.

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Do try the optic it came with. It’s probably dark in NYC now. I think you will really like it. I’ve swapped back and forth, and the difference is really negligible. If you don’t compare side to side you won’t notice. By the way, which emitter did you choose?

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mcdj wrote:
Thank you. The kind folks over in the chargers sub forum actually made me realize there was a black sticker covering the end of the batteries. They work fine.

Not sure what you mean 2-in-1. All I know is, with the optic and glass together, it doesnt screw closed all the way.

There are two versions, one with a separate lens and optic (the glass part is the lens, and the Carlco 10511 is the optic), and one with a combination optic & lens (the new style that was in your light when you got it). I was referring to the second type as a 2 in 1 above.

By most reports, the style you got is very good, however I haven’t tested it personally.

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I would say the throw is very nice, sort of a mix between a flood and a spot. Very smooth. No hot spots.

So the carclo has a thinner disc that the glass sits on? Or are the feet shorter to make space for the glass?

It’s a sweet light, no doubt, but I really wish it was a medium to dark charcoal grey like the Lumintop pics instead of a light bluish grey.

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Thanks. By remove bezel, do you mean open the battery compartment and twist out the circuit with some kind of wrench to get to the optic? No wrench here… Don’t see any other way in.

If it is the all plastic 2nd gen, what the heck did I wait a month and a half for? When I ordered the light, there was no message posted about waiting/cancelling/etc. It wasn’t until a couple of weeks later when I went back to track my order that I saw the optic announcement. I was under the impression after reading the announcement that if I didn’t say cancel or ship now, I’d get the glass lens and correct optic.

Check the little baggie in the box… mine came with the gen 2 optic installed and a carclo in the little bag. I do like the beam from the gen 2 better, but like the protection of glass over carclo better.

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FW1A, LH351D 4000k (second favorite)
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FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
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Yeah all I got in the baggie was the glass. And the gen 2 optic is too thick to accommodate both the optic and the glass.

What I’m confused by is the fact that I waited 1.5 months for the light because ostensibly I was supposed to be getting the optic that works with the glass.

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