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Big day today! I get finally my new PC

Its sad but my 4 year old 1500$ performance Laptop is a mess even watching youtube clips the sound and picture is not fluidly played anymore, also Windows 7 support running out

Its a potent 4 Core 8 threads I7 with 965M Nvidia but the old windows does cripple its performance and has a couple bugs

So after 10 years I am going again to a desktop PC

Hardware:
Fractal Design Nano S Mini Desktop PC 20×33×40cm sound insulated case
ASUS ROG Strix Z390-I Gaming | Intel Z390 | AC WiFi + BT 5.0
Intel Core i9-9900K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 | ZOTAC Mini
1 × 16 GB (16 GB) DDR4-2666 Corsair Vengeance LPX
be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Seasonic FOCUS Plus | 650W | 80+ Gold | Fully modular

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Samsung M.2 Pro 512GB PCI Express HDD
Samsung M.2 Evo 1000GB SATA
16GB Corsair Ram

New Case fans
2x Noctua NF-A14 140mm PWM fan floating mount
2x Noctua redux 120mm PWM fan floating mount (transplanted from the 140mm back side)
Additional CPU Fan Noctua NF-A12×25 120mm

And I got today a litter box robot for my cats to save time every day hopefully

Edited by: Lexel on 07/08/2019 - 22:27
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Nice!

I have a ASUS ROG laptop that is six years old.

I upgraded to Windows 10, but the laptop was working fine even on Windows 7.

I wonder why your four year old performance laptop wasn't working so well.

I'm not a computer expert, but I think the problem is probably software-related if it's only four years old.

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raccoon city wrote:

Nice!


I have a ASUS ROG laptop that is six years old.


I upgraded to Windows 10, but the laptop was working fine even on Windows 7.


I wonder why your four year old performance laptop wasn’t working so well.


I’m not a computer expert, but I think the problem is probably software-related if it’s only four years old.

Yes I am sure its software, but also rendering pictures or videos its slow compared to modern 8 Core Desktop PCs and the fans get noisy

Its not funny to put my Ipad on desktop to watch fluid youtube vids, with a 1500$ laptop

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Nice build Lexel. Those Noctua fans work like a charm. I’ve got a few of the 140mm industrial 3000RPM fans in my build and they move some serious air (although a bit loud at full speed). Are you planning to OC the 9900k? Those chips like to run on the hot side, but take pretty well to undervolting.

You’ll have to show us some photos of the completed build! Big Smile

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whipskirtayeyay wrote:
Nice build Lexel. Those Noctua fans work like a charm. I’ve got a few of the 140mm industrial 3000RPM fans in my build and they move some serious air (although a bit loud at full speed). Are you planning to OC the 9900k? Those chips like to run on the hot side, but take pretty well to undervolting.

You’ll have to show us some photos of the completed build! Big Smile

Yes the Industrial move 2 times the air with very serious static pressure of 7mm H2O, but you trade off with almost 4 times more sound level
For relative silent PC 1500 rpm is enough for 140mm or 2000 120mm
I got 3 big fans pushing air in the case with 300m3 per hour on paper , likely 120-150 in the PC, 1 out, I could even remove the top and mount 2 140mm with an AIO but that would likely increase total noise

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And I got today a litter box robot for my cats to save time every day hopefully

Is that like a roomba that lives inside the litter box Big Smile
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IMO, with the new Ryzen 3rd Gen CPUs, I wouldn’t buy the 9900k anymore.

I’d either get the 3800X or 3900X.

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i just want to say, AMD has just released their latest 3rd Gen Zen CPU, and it crushes Intel into dust.

but as long as your are pleased with your machine, It’s fine

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For certain applications I'm interested in, Intel CPU's work best.

Even if they aren't the best bang for the buck, in the future I will stick with Intel.

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i just want to say, AMD has just released their latest 3rd Gen Zen CPU, and it crushes Intel into dust.

but as long as your are pleased with your machine, It’s fine

I know and still the single core speed the AMD is not better
Multicore the 12 core is better, the 16 core will be far better but on gaming no game supports yet that many cores, price vise the 12 core wont be cheaper
Also pushing the 12 core to the performance in the crushing Intel reviews you need a serious water cooling and pump 50% more power in the CPU overclocked

But I need a stable system I trust not half finished bios on new AMD mainboard with issues

My last AMD was a 500MHz one and it cooked itself because one spring of the CPU cooler broke, that were those CPUs with same mounting like RAM modules

Finally Intels new 7nm 12/16 core will again let AMD look bad, but who knows when they release it, probably not this year

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By crushed, he meant that AMD has better single threaded performance/clock.

With better thermals, lower power consumption, and better per thread performance by staying in the same power range, I think AMD took the lead.

However, you still have a great system overall.

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Very nice build. I like the 9900k but I early adopted Ryzen upon release and have had zero problems for the past 2 years. I will stick with Ryzen for my next build but there is nothing wrong with the intel since it meshes so nice with nvidia. I’ll probably go all red and navi just to stick it to the man.

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Solid setup. I am sure you will enjoy it.

By the way, what games do you usually spend your time on Smile ?

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Congrats for your new PC.

However… I wonder why your old machine suffers from lag in YT videos. I have many pc´s much much older that your old one and none of them have any lag in YT videos. Maybe because I dont see the videos in HD, just 360 resolution

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If I hadn’t the issues with my old Laptop I would have gotten a 3900X in 4-6 months, maybe even 3950X
In most cases those 4 or 8 more cores are not used, and I am not planning to do heavily rendering of Videos or 3D stuff so 8 Cores 16 Threads is enough

even the 9900K gives me about 2.5 times more speed than the old 4 Core had, the graphics card almost 3 times more

I have ordered this system almost 2 weeks ago
I had to spent now 2.5 hours drive to the PC shop, because they messed up and put all the extra parts, software etc. to another customers PC(which was luckily not already shipped), so I could exchange everything in my box without waiting 2 times for shipping forth and back

Sure AMDs 7nm process gives them a big advantage in the next 18-24 months
till Intel get also 7nm CPUs, they may even skip 10nm at all which they planned to get 2016 running

also many programs support heavily GPU rendering which is a lot more efficient than CPU, so I won’t miss those 4 cores I could have got later

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@Lexel, how much did your fans cost?

I’m seeing a lot of money in them.

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@Lexel, how much did your fans cost?

I’m seeing a lot of money in them.

for all of them around 100€, they have the latest aerodynamic optimization and have 6 years guarantee

I made some slight changes, added SATA data cables for HDDs on the cable management side
The worker tested the PC after he had the right spacer for it, I told him the front Fans are too loud not throttling down, he showed me where to do in Bios the fan control, but at home I see those fans are recognized as AIO pump and you cant configure it to fan

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Congrats on the new PC, always satisfying to make those big jumps in CPU generations.

Bought one last year to replace my 2012 one, and probably not going to change before DDR5 is here, even if i really want to reward AMD now for bringing competition back to the CPU and GPU market.

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I built my PC with a similar case and high quality fans. I really like them but they do need setting up in bios to really take advantage of them being quiet and make use of 4 pin/PWM.

http://www.phanteks.com/PH-F140XP.html

https://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-r...

The air filters and sound dampening of this case are really good

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I built my PC with a similar case and high quality fans. I really like them, but they do need setting up in bios to really take advantage of them being quiet and make use of 4 pin/PWM.

http://www.phanteks.com/PH-F140XP.html

https://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-r...

The air filters and sound dampening of this case are really good

yes the ROG Bios are nice, you can even set the fan to the lowest RPM which is around 300 up to 50°C core temperature

on paper, I have 280m³/h at 1500rpm pushing into the case, I know with filter fan grill etc it will be half that value, you can hear them at full speed, but at lowest PWM they are almost not to hear if its not dead quiet in your room and you are pretty close

Maybe it’s a bit overkill, but I decided against an AIO for the CPU, they tend to fail a lot compared to good fans

and finally I have now 4 fans around the CPU
two 120mm 1200 RPM PWM Noctua
- one as back case fan
- the other is mounted 90° to that case fan venting through the top, also gives a nice flow above the top CPU voltage cooling block

CPU cooler was from the shop that build the PC a BeQuiet! Dark Rock 4 which is one of the biggest you can fit in the case
it has the 135mm stock Be quiet! fan, but I do not like that it is quite far away from the cooler having two 2mm thick rubber straps on the fins

- I added a 2000rpm Noctua which has a quite high static pressure

too bad I can only mount it on the pull side, but this will get in hot weather like last weeks enough, and due to drastically new design with less air gap around the blades and spiral form its quieter than the 140mm at 1500rpm, and still

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The total system price is definitely not cheap

1694€ for the PC, its build by a company and I have 3 years guarantee on it, I could have saved a bit buying all the components but there is always a risk you end up in a support trap if something fails
- CPU and graphics card alone cost a bit over 1,000€
- 72€ 2. 16GB RAM module
- 134€ Samsung 970 pro M.2 PCIE with NVME
- 1TB Samsung Evo 860 from my old Laptop
- 93€ 4TB Seagate Barracuda for internal Backup, I got also a 4-year external 4TB but I want fast drive inside for easy backup, and an older drive is more risky to fail
- 40.99€ 2 140mm Case fans
- 27€ the 2 120mm 1300rpm Noctua Redux, I simply transplanted the rubber edges from the 120mm CPU fan
- 28€ CPU fan I used the included rubber band that goes all around the frame
- 6€ some more pull through rubber mounts as the normal ones are hard to mount in the back side

so bottom line I get a bit over 2,000€ for that PC, so its not cheap but very solid, quiet and powerful

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Lexel wrote:
The total system price is definitely not cheap

1694€ for the PC, its build by a company and I have 3 years guarantee on it, I could have saved a bit buying all the components but there is always a risk you end up in a support trap if something fails
- CPU and graphics card alone cost a bit over 1,000€
- 72€ 2. 16GB RAM module
- 134€ Samsung 970 pro M.2 PCIE with NVME
- 1TB Samsung Evo 860 from my old Laptop
- 93€ 4TB Seagate Barracuda for internal Backup, I got also a 4-year external 4TB but I want fast drive inside for easy backup, and an older drive is more risky to fail
- 40.99€ 2 140mm Case fans
- 27€ the 2 120mm 1300rpm Noctua Redux, I simply transplanted the rubber edges from the 120mm CPU fan
- 28€ CPU fan I used the included rubber band that goes all around the frame
- 6€ some more pull through rubber mounts as the normal ones are hard to mount in the back side

so bottom line I get a bit over 2,000€ for that PC, so its not cheap but very solid, quiet and powerful


I still think you got an excellent price. It has been a while since I’ve priced anything. But in the past, I’ve seen online custom build shops charge more than that for a much lesser machine built.

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Its sad but my 4 year old 1500$ performance Laptop is a mess even watching youtube clips the sound and picture is not fluidly played anymore,
Something is seriously messed up then. I have a 7-year-old Lenovo laptop with i5 CPU which cost around $800 back then, and it still plays youtube videos just fine under Windows 7.
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You can use msi afterburner for fan control.

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Regarding the premature demise of the $1500 4 year old laptop, I don’t think it’s a software issue, it seems more like a cooling issue where the system can’t dump enough heat and downclocks itself , suggesting part of the cooling system has failed . If you open it up, blow out the dust, check that the fans work, then refresh the TIM, thermal pads, and consider copper shims where appropriate it should perform more like it did previously if not better. It could easily be something as simple as fluff blocking an intake so maybe with a bit of work this system could be restored to functional use.

As for Windows 10 support, that should also be good on a reasonably high end laptop made in the last 4 years – my partners Lenovo is much older yet has Windows 10 drivers – *nix support should be fairly good as well. If you can’t find drivers for that specific model, a good tip is to look for enterprise grade systems built around the same time as they are often contractually required to support those for much longer than consumer systems, and they often use compatible drivers.

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Regarding the premature demise of the $1500 4 year old laptop, I don’t think it’s a software issue, it seems more like a cooling issue where the system can’t dump enough heat and downclocks itself , suggesting part of the cooling system has failed . If you open it up, blow out the dust, check that the fans work, then refresh the TIM, thermal pads, and consider copper shims where appropriate it should perform more like it did previously if not better. It could easily be something as simple as fluff blocking an intake so maybe with a bit of work this system could be restored to functional use.

As for Windows 10 support, that should also be good on a reasonably high end laptop made in the last 4 years – my partners Lenovo is much older yet has Windows 10 drivers – *nix support should be fairly good as well. If you can’t find drivers for that specific model, a good tip is to look for enterprise grade systems built around the same time as they are often contractually required to support those for much longer than consumer systems, and they often use compatible drivers.

I blow out every year the coolers with compressed air of my laptops, I did it like a month ago when problems started, but it didn’t help, the fans run and move a decent amount of air and heat

I will put the original saved OS backup over the SDD when I am finished with moving, and then will do stress test with Prime95 and GPU benchmark to see if it is still bad

I had also in the past 4 years on my Laptops
- 2 times the graphics card replaced under guarantee (DELL and XMG)
- I gave my 2. last Laptop 2000$ to my dad when it was also about 3 years old, but it simply died by main board failure when he had it less than a year, I sold the SSD, CPU and Ram for like 250 bucks, graphics card was a fast NVIDIA but integrated in the main board

This is mainly the reason I am going back to desktop PC, you can replace dead components

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mrheosuper wrote:
i just want to say, AMD has just released their latest 3rd Gen Zen CPU, and it crushes Intel into dust.

but as long as your are pleased with your machine, It’s fine

I know and still the single core speed the AMD is not better
Multicore the 12 core is better, the 16 core will be far better but on gaming no game supports yet that many cores, price vise the 12 core wont be cheaper
Also pushing the 12 core to the performance in the crushing Intel reviews you need a serious water cooling and pump 50% more power in the CPU overclocked

But I need a stable system I trust not half finished bios on new AMD mainboard with issues

My last AMD was a 500MHz one and it cooked itself because one spring of the CPU cooler broke, that were those CPUs with same mounting like RAM modules

Finally Intels new 7nm 12/16 core will again let AMD look bad, but who knows when they release it, probably not this year


-single core IPC of new Ryzen is acceptable now, not too far from intel, i doubt that you will notice this difference in daily using
in gaming, some latest benchmarks (with latest BIOS. it’s new CPU, so BIOS must be updated to optimize them obviously), show that Ryzen is equal or better than intel
-and to crush Intel CPU, you dont need custom Water Cooling, actually you can use stock fan, it’s much better than the intel one
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Also pushing the 12 core to the performance in the crushing Intel reviews you need a serious water cooling and pump 50% more power in the CPU overclocked

i believe this is not true

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IPC is actually better than Intel now.
Was about the same with Zen and Zen+.

AMD just needs a bit of a clock speed boost, and every victory is achieved.

And I have to agree on the cooler front.

The CPU is very efficient, even the 12 core one. It’s actually the mobos consuming a lot of power.

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BlueSwordM wrote:
IPC is actually better than Intel now.

It is except in gaming workloads, hardware unboxed tested 9900k vs 3700x at 4 GHz.

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