Astrolux FT02 vs FT03: why such price diffrence?

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Astrolux FT02 vs FT03: why such price diffrence?

Compared roughly the specs FT02 vs FT03. While these two seem to perform quite simmilar (at least by numbers) the price discrepancy is hard to understand for me.

FT02……FT03
Output LM: 2215 vs 2400
Intensity cd: 180k vs 190k
Range m: 848 vs 875
UI: stepless diming vs stepless diming
then why: $50+ vs $30+?

Can someone help me understand the price diffrence? Furhermore, no matter what the promo is, these both prices are never lower so it makes me thinking, there might be a reason why FT02 is more expensive. I doubt the cost-generating part is just the boost driver…

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The FT02 is a XHP emitter which is more expensive and needs a higher voltage and a more complex thus more expensive driver.
The FT03 is just a single cell driver and will drain your battery very fast.

I have no experience with the FT02, but no matter how good the FT03 is, it feels kinda cheap.

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I like my ft02 much more because it has a better ui and is noticeably smaller. Turbo is able to be memorized so that I can click to turbo from off with a single click. And I’m able to ramp up to turbo.
But I have a defective ft02, the parasitic drain is crazy high. It will bring a fully charged 30q to 3.2 volts in a week and without using the light at all.

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Yeah, I’d expect FT02 has something FT03 does not. Boost driver and XHP35 still does not convince me to add $20 over linear and SST-40.

On the other hand there’s also company pricing strategy. They tell customer to pay 80% more for similar performance – kinda hard to justify.

It’s like Convoy S2+ in price 180% of Convoy S2.

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blueb8llz wrote:
I like my ft02 much more because it has a better ui and is noticeably smaller. Turbo is able to be memorized so that I can click to turbo from off with a single click. And I’m able to ramp up to turbo. But I have a defective ft02, the parasitic drain is crazy high. It will bring a fully charged 30q to 3.2 volts in a week and without using the light at all.

Non defective one also have a huge parasitic drain, around 4mA, wich will drain your battery in a month, i love my FT02 but the parasitic drain defeats the purpose of the led switch, this is a pretty big design flaw.

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The 4mA parasitic drain (it is 4mA with and without the breathing switch light on) is a design flaw, all FT02’s have it. Remember to slightly twist the tail cap to lock the light out every time.

I have both the FT02 and FT03. I think a lot of attention went into the design of the FT02 which they want to earn back, the FT03 was easier as it seems a spin-off of the FT02, the design looks less nice and they did not do the centering of the led right. What I like about my FT02 is that the lens sits in a u-shaped silicon sleeve, like many Olight’s. The FT03 does not have that. What I don’t like is that it has a micro-USB port while the FT03 has the more robust USB-C port. A friend of mine had broken off the micro-USB socket off his FT02 (micro-USB is notorious for that), I managed to solder it back for him but it was almost impossible to do that.
The user interface of the FT02 is simpler than the FT03 (it is not Anduril) but I actually like that for this type of light.

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Agree with you all – I also have both (FT03 even in both LED options) and because of tint shift and temperature I prefer my FT02 warm too.
So this leads me to a conclusion, that FT03 was a quick project oriented to sell in big number with little margin (was it 2500pcs within 2 months? or so?). Contrary to FT02.

Anyway, waiting for autumn and shorter days to have an opportunity to play with these 3 beauties.

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I much prefer the look of the FT02 but the price of the FT03 is hard to beat.

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Big difference in reflector diameter, yet little throw difference (between FT02 and FT03)

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Tatasal – how many flashlights do you own?
(and where do you store them Big Smile )

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Tatasal – how many flashlights do you own? (and where do you store them Big Smile )

Only the lights that I edc are not stored, all the rest (like those in the photo) are sleeping soundly in their original boxes, together with the various chargers and batteries that I also hoard. How many? I never counted them yet, though not many as the others have here.

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The main difference in prices come from the a bit more expensive emitter and the fact that it uses a boost driver

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The main difference in prices come from the a bit more expensive emitter and the fact that it uses a boost driver

Does that explain the negligible throw difference between the two even though the FT03 has much larger reflector?

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1stein wrote:
Yeah, I’d expect FT02 has something FT03 does not. Boost driver and XHP35 still does not convince me to add $20 over linear and SST-40.

On the other hand there’s also company pricing strategy. They tell customer to pay 80% more for similar performance – kinda hard to justify.

It’s like Convoy S2+ in price 180% of Convoy S2.


I thought FT-03 had unregulated (FET) driver, not a linear one.
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Agro wrote:
thought FT-03 had unregulated (FET) driver, not a linear one.

You thought probably right Agro. I just didn’t check becasue I meant only to put it in opposition to Boost.
So let it be, (…) over FET and SST-40. Beer

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djozz wrote:
What I like about my FT02 is that the lens sits in a u-shaped silicon sleeve, like many Olight’s. The FT03 does not have that.

I tried to learn more about it…None of the reviews that I see mentions that. Actually none shows a head disassembly. One appears to show regular spare o-rings.
Could you tell us some more about it?
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Agro wrote:
djozz wrote:
What I like about my FT02 is that the lens sits in a u-shaped silicon sleeve, like many Olight’s. The FT03 does not have that.

I tried to learn more about it…None of the reviews that I see mentions that. Actually none shows a head disassembly. One appears to show regular spare o-rings.
Could you tell us some more about it?

Only some reviews nowadays show a complete disassembly, it was more normal back in the days.

I checked my FT02 and I was not completely correct: instead of one u-shaped ring there are two o-rings instead: one regular one at the reflector side of the lens, and one L-shaped one at the bezel-side also covering the side of the lens. So the lens is protected at all sides just like with an U-shaped ring but then a bit different.

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Thank you for producing this picture djozz! Beer

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The design of the FT02 looks much better. I especialy like the functional design of the heatfins.

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So… it seems FT02 is just built with more attention to details?

I’m quite surprised about Astrolux policy, it seems these two compete against each other. I imagine most of regular customers just pay attention to lumens, runtimes, batteries and not that much about LED or driver type. Can it be after announcing FT03 the interest in FT02 dropped? Judging by often promos: yes.

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I also miss reviews that show the light comletly disasembled with mesurements of the parts like reflector hight, diameter. . .
If i had found one i would not have to ask this question. What diameter does the MCPCB have?

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1stein wrote:
So… it seems FT02 is just built with more attention to details?

No, it’s a completely different driver design. You should see much more stable outputs over a cell cycle due to the boost circuit and the XHP35 is a great performer in a mid-sized thrower like this, nearly matching the output of a SST-40 while being throwier since it’s domeless.

Compared to a shaved/dedomed SST-40 the XHP35 will have better or equal output and basically equal throw per lumen (based on the numbers I’ve seen at least).

FT02 is a premium option that can match the performance of the FT03 in a smaller size. The trade off is the higher price.

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I have both these lights, and while they seem similar, they’re really two very different lights.

FT03 advantages:

- Slightly higher output and throw (but only on a full battery)
- Cheaper

FT02 advantages:

- Boost driver for regulated output, it’s just as bright on a half-drained battery as it is on a full battery
- Smaller body and head, for easier fit in a coat pocket

I think it’s the boost driver, for regulated output on all battery levels, that makes the FT02 more expensive. The FT02’s XHP35 HI is a nicer LED, and allows for the smaller size for almost the same throw as the FT03.

But, yeah, if you don’t care about the size, and you keep your battery topped up, then the FT03 is a much better deal.

Note that both lights will eat your battery really fast. The FT02 even faster, since it’s gobbling up the energy from the battery at the same rate all the time. The FT03 output drops as the battery goes down, so will be dimmer and not use as much power by the time the battery is half-empty. But you’ll get more run-time at a high output from the FT02, since it doesn’t drop output until the battery is almost empty.

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Very interesting considerations. Yeah, so we do have a bunch of factors justifying higher FT02 price.
However if I were a regular flashlight user I don’t think I’d pay attention to these details. So I think the sales of FT02 must had dropped since FT03 was announced.
Isn’t it high time for FT02 v2? Otherwise FT02 will die naturally due to lack of interest…

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For us freaks the FT02 is mostly just a lesser FT03, it even has the inferior quality micro-USB (the socket of a friend’s FT02 even broke off from the driver board).
But the seemingly good build quality promises that it can handle much more abuse. But that is only true if many FT02 owners over time report on their always working FT02’s and FT03 owners report failures. But a broken USB socket is not a good start for my trust in the FT02 Sad

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1stein wrote:
Very interesting considerations. Yeah, so we do have a bunch of factors justifying higher FT02 price. However if I were a regular flashlight user I don’t think I’d pay attention to these details. So I think the sales of FT02 must had dropped since FT03 was announced. Isn’t it high time for FT02 v2? Otherwise FT02 will die naturally due to lack of interest…

Yeah, on paper it’s hard to justify the FT02’s higher price over the FT03. Which is too bad, because I’m a big fan of boost drivers for their regulated output and ability to deliver max output with a battery that is almost empty. I wish more budget lights would come with optional boost drivers, even if it added to the price. IMO, they’re well worth it.

You’re right, the FT02 sales probably fell off when the FT03 was introduced. I suspect they’re likely not even still manufacturing it. Pick one up when it goes on a big discontinued sale.

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I have both lights and now the 03 with XHP50.2 emitter. I prefer the FT02 for size and general use. I like 21700 lights over 26650 lights. It’s apples and oranges really. The FT02 seems to have been built up and had more R&D into it.
The only drawback is the built in Micro-Usb on the is fragile.

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I have both lights and now the 03 with XHP50.2 emitter. I prefer the FT02 for size and general use. I like 21700 lights over 26650 lights. It’s apples and oranges really. The FT02 seems to have been built up and had more R&D into it.
The only drawback is the built in Micro-Usb on the is fragile.

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I had both lights and sold the FT03. The emitter, boost driver, quality, and overall tint was better on my FT02. The only drawback is the higher parasitic drain, but that is fine as long as the flashlight is not stored with a battery.

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Binford wrote:
I had both lights and sold the FT03. The emitter, boost driver, quality, and overall tint was better on my FT02. The only drawback is the higher parasitic drain, but that is fine as long as the flashlight is not stored with a battery.

It’s easy to kill the power with a slight twist of the tailcap, which stops the parasitic drain. But, yeah, it should have been designed with less drain. I don’t really like to keep lights locked out, or without batteries in them. I want to just pick them up and use them right away. But, at least the mechanical tailcap lock-out doesn’t add much time, as long as you remember it’s locked out.