Collecting interest for a Sofirn C01 host version

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Collecting interest for a Sofirn C01 host version

After the C01 with Yuji leds was sold out the C01 did not come back, Sofirn told us it was because Yuji did not have the leds anymore. I had asked if other high CRI 5mm leds could be sourced and although there was some progress in that, there were some problems so that still has not happened.
So now I asked Barry if Sofirn could make the C01 host available so that people can solder in their own 5mm leds, and I’m really glad that Sofirn is willing to do that. Smile

To be clear, please understand that this thread is about the low-power C01 that fits oldschool 5mm leds, not about the C01 S that fits high power 3535 leds and has a TIR optic.

Next is the price. I tried 5 dollar, but after calculating the costs Barry told me that they could not do that. Labour is the major cost and that does not change for a host version, and not adding the 5mm led saves just 15 cents. The other factor is numbers: the production becomes cheaper if more is produced, and a host likely does not sell thousands. So Barry mentioned 6.5 dollar as the lowest selling price. I think that is still a fair price for a niche product.

What will you get?: a complete C01 with driver but without a led soldered into the driver board, and without potting. The small o-ring that waterproofs the front of the led in the head will be included. You can finish the light with any 5mm led, that can be soldered in with a common solder iron. I reckon that it will be an easy job but when the host is available I’m sure there will be some tricks posted. The resulting light should run at 25 mA, will be unpotted (but still extremely tough as I found out) but easy to mod again. There may be a mod to set the current differently but I’m no expert in that.
We did not discuss the colour yet, I suggested simply black is best, and perhaps a percentage unanodised.

A strong requirement from Sofirn is that there will be an interest list so that they see that the market for the host version is there, and they can estimate the number of hosts that will be produced. Sofirn has not been very precise with inventory in the past which caused problems, so they are more careful now not to produce too much.

So this thread is to estimate interest numbers for the C01 host (this is not a group buy thread that will give you a discount). Please post how many you would buy for 6.5 dollar each and assuming that the colour will be black. (you can mention that you would like unanodised too but I will not add that to the list, the information may or may not be used to get part of the production done without ano). I will maintain the list here below in the OP.

1 djozz
2 djozz
3 djozz
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7 thisnameisvalid
8 wolfstyle
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Interested in 1 host. Anybody know places that sell the 3200k yujis?

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Interested in 2 hosts

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Interested in 2 hosts

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Interested in 2 hosts.

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I had asked if other high CRI 5mm leds could be sourced and although there was some progress in that, there were some problems so that still has not happened.

I want to know more about this.
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I'd end up wanting to hot-rod it, and it doesn't sound suitable. So I'm out on this one. Best of luck, however.

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Interested — I have Arc AAAs in blue, red-orange, green, two different UV, and cyan, and they’d appreciate company.
I suspect the 5mm LEDs available today are better (and welcome discussion of appropriate colored and UV LEDs to use)

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PS, this would be an ideal host for UV LEDs, and a lot of people might find it handy to have a pocket LED source.
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I think using UV LEDs with boost or buck converters is always a good idea. They tend to have quite high Vf and so don't work as well with linear drivers.

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Count me in for three. If possible unanodised.

I’m old school, I like these old fashioned LED’s. I need to find out where to get the proper Led’s here, I have to learn how to solder very precisely and how to change whatever needs to be changed but that’s why I need 3, so I end up with at least 1 good one. Wink

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Scallywag wrote:

I’d end up wanting to hot-rod it, and it doesn’t sound suitable. So I’m out on this one. Best of luck, however.


This is not a hotrod host for sure, you can put only so much power into a 5mm led.
That said, when they first designed the C01, they told me that they could set the current (which ended up at 25mA). Maybe that is still possible (within limits) by changing a resistor or so.
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I’d be interested in 2

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Interested in 2 hosts

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I’ll do a couple hosts.

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I’m a little confused as to why they can’t produce the 5600k version again. I’m seeing the link to the used LED on the C01 page as being available. Is this not the case? I wouldn’t want a host, but I would definitely pick up a C01 even if it was $7 or so if that is actually the LED and it is actually available at that price. Here is the link I found in the original thread: here.

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Jos, would it be possible to add some alternative LEDs to the Yuji BC that would fit into the host? Maybe this could increase the interest even more. I must admit I don’t have any idea about good 5mm LEDs. Bedankt! Smile

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Pwsmith wrote:
I’m a little confused as to why they can’t produce the 5600k version again. I’m seeing the link to the used LED on the C01 page as being available. Is this not the case? I wouldn’t want a host, but I would definitely pick up a C01 even if it was $7 or so if that is actually the LED and it is actually available at that price. Here is the link I found in the original thread: here.

I had a feeling that there were more reasons to stop the C01 than just availability of the Yuji leds (the more popular 3200K led is indeed sold out). Maybe they simply wanted to move on to the C01S which is the type of light that Sofirn was planning in the first place, even before we suggested to do the C01.
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Look at this post:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1504514#comment-1504514

Someone that is more interested should PM him and see what he ended up sourcing

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Lux-Perpetua wrote:

Jos, would it be possible to add some alternative LEDs to the Yuji BC that would fit into the host? Maybe this could increase the interest even more. I must admit I don’t have any idea about good 5mm LEDs. Bedankt! Smile


Personally I have a small collection of 5mm colour leds that would make fun lights. And the very bright white Nichia GS may work well too, especially if you manage to mod the current. I have them from leds.de : https://www.leds.de/leds-komponenten/bedrahtete-leds.html
But there are more sources for 5mm leds too, i.e. on aliexpress and ebay.
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contactcr wrote:
Look at this post:

http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1504514#comment-1504514

Someone that is more interested should PM him and see what he ended up sourcing


He is still on the hunt for good quality but it needs prototyping and testing. I (and maukka) tested some first prototypes for him and the tint/CRI/output were good and comparable to the Yuji leds but the beams were a bit uneven, which could very well be because they were prototypes (sort of handmade). But then the factory stopped communicating and now he found a new source, and some new testing must be done again. If he succeeds in getting them done and selling them they should be very good for use in the C01 host.
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in for at least 2

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djozz, it might not be relevant to this discussion, but 5mm LEDs are available up to 100mA rated (and maybe higher). They can be bought through eBay as 1/2 watt (even though it would be more accurate to say 1/3 watt). I don’t know about high CRI though.

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For these 5mm LEDs, unless they mention specifically of the CRI, you can assume it’s at 70. Part of the reason is the material cost and the fact that the efficacy will drop ~20 lm/w going from 70 to 90 CRI.

If you want to go for the highest output in 5mm package and CRI is not your concern, you can always try that out.

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thisnameisvalid wrote:
Interested in 1 host. Anybody know places that cell the 3200k yujis?

This Australian site appears to show the 5600K as still in stock, but not the 3200K:
https://www.ledsales.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id...

Yuji themselves also still has the 5600K in stock, in their usual quantity of 1000 pieces minimum.
https://store.yujiintl.com/products/bc-series-5mm

I don’t know of any sources that still have the 3200K Yuji.

As long as we’re on the topic, I looked up a few other options for LED’s you could put in a 5mm host like this.

LED Supply (US only?) has unspecified brand and unspecified CRI of 5mm LED’s in cool and warm white, in addition to numerous different single color options, UV, and infrared.

https://www.ledsupply.com/5mm-leds

You can also find combined RGB LED’s with a simple built-in controller that changes the color. Depending on the seller and the type, they are described as a “rotating”, “flashing”, or “dynamic.” An example here, including a video in one of the reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/microtivity-IL604-Slow-Rotating-Resistors-Pack/dp...

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Scallywag wrote:

I’d end up wanting to hot-rod it, and it doesn’t sound suitable. So I’m out on this one. Best of luck, however.


Same here. Hot rod 10440 C01S would be nice. Just like 10180.
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Do you know which led nitecore tube using?, i think it is a good choice for this host.

Btw, im not interested in this host, a few buck more i can have complete c01s with great tint and higher output

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I’d take at least 2 (if black). Thanks!

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You can talk about high power and lots of light here, always welcome Smile , but that is just not the C01. The 5mm led requirement will limit this light to under 100mA and under 50 lumen, max. The C01 is about low power long runtime endless abuse always works. Even without potting.

And this host allows some fun versions like colour leds and UV leds. I have some pretty high power (for 5mm leds that is) Nichia cyan leds, that would be a fun version, or a red led for seeing in the dark without destroying your night adaptation.

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How long do the 5mm led wires need to be? I trimmed my only yuji to fit a coin cell light

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Put me down for two (2) hosts for now.

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contactcr wrote:
How long do the 5mm led wires need to be? I trimmed my only yuji to fit a coin cell light

If too short, solder stiff copper wires to it. When it fits, pot the whole compartement to give it stability. I had one unpotted C01, it’s really easy to do.

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