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WHAT'S NEXT?

… has everything been done that can be done with flashlights? Like the subject says ‘what’s next?’

FF E07; Lumintop FW3A; Emisar D4 V2

any flashlight visionaries?

… or do I head over to Nebo?

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BLF Lantern, and 2 other lights that still haven’t released(M4DM4X and MF01S Mini), and one special light.

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What’s next?

As to a new FW3xx variant, pretty much has been served..while a completely new project is so far not yet in sight.

Chances are you will be ordering just about ‘anything’ so as to scratch your ‘pay now’ addiction. Beer

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or do I head over to Nebo?

 

Nebo does have some of the most innovative lights, if not always the best implementation.  They definitely have the best commercials.

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- Better methods of preventing accidental activation for high-output EDC lights, think firearms safeties or physical blockers. I’m actually amazed nobody has implemented this, and the button on small hotrods not being recessed or having a significant lip around them is IMHO unacceptable
- More emitters having high-CRI options, better tint for those that exist, and even better color rendering (i.e. Optisolis and similar) Imagine how popular an 85+ CRI X-PL HI with good tint would be…
- Better battery chemistry (26650, 18350 and 16340 are falling way behind whereas 18650 and 21700 have the new hotness)
- Multi-button UIs
- Easier methods of UI flashing/updates
- Exotic/innovative driver designs like constant-current instead of regulated/FET+PWM
- LISTING O-RING SIZES

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What’s next? The opposite of previous.

More seriously though, I’m pretty sure there’s more left to do with flashlights. People here have barely scratched the surface of some of the fancier stuff, like constant current drivers and tint ramping and, um, items which aren’t ridiculously overpowered.

But I think tech-based changes might slow down as LEDs get closer and closer to the maximum theoretical efficiency, and as the improvements delve into fine-tuning instead of broad strokes.

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Extreme heat tolerant leds. Either that or no heat producing leds which is an oxymoron.

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It would be interesting to see the development of an alternative rare form factor: NITECORE TM10K, NITECORE Concept2…
Prototype YLP Octopus:


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A quad or triple with ramping and a 21700 cell. Something just a smidge thinner than an Emisar D4S and not the absolute scorcher of a Fireflies E07?

A budget and compact 70.2 light with a single 21700 cell?

And I dig those designs, Di_Joker.

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- Emitter efficiency increases (less heat & more output)
- Light products that can be configured and controlled via BT/Wifi/remote control/app (already exists, but more mainstream)
- Tint mixing/adjustment/control while light product is in use
- Lights that automatically adjust output based on external factors (light, sound, signals, other sensors)
- New lightweight/robust materials for the body
- Potentially new form factors for light products

As we have now seen with other electric innovations, the future of energy lies partly in how energy is stored and how dense this storage is. So new battery chemistries and form factors will play a significant role.

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I would like to see next a 2xAA flashlight, where the batteries are placed in parallel (so can be used with one battery like Acebeam UC15), with a constant current driver, as thin as possible. Then the head can be one or two LEDs, with various combinations of emitters and optics.

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pinkpanda3310 wrote:
Extreme heat tolerant leds. Either that or no heat producing leds which is an oxymoron.

If LEDs became more efficient, their heat production would go down. So you could get brighter/smaller/cooler lights.

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But efficiency can only go so far because light is just another form of heat. If there was an extremely heat resistant led then it could be thermally isolated from the host so it doesn’t burn your hand (or pocket) Davie

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But efficiency can only go so far because light is just another form of heat. If there was an extremely heat resistant led then it could be thermally isolated from the host so it doesn’t burn your hand (or pocket) Davie

True.
(I mean the heat resistant LED part.)

But light isn’t heat.
Even IR light isn’t ‘heat’ – it (and any light) just heats things that happen to absorb it.

You could also define efficiency as “useful (i.e., visible) light out/electric power in” Smile

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“Electricity is really just organized lightning”
― George Carlin

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“Electricity is really just organized lightning”
― George Carlin

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Okay so heat and light are marginally different but they are both forms of energy. I get what you’re saying 100% efficiency = electromagnet wavelength being sent in one direction so the emitter itself doesn’t absorb any energy and get hot. Still sounds good to me Beer

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I think the next big step is gonna be LEP.

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- Eye tracking combined with motorized platform so beam points where you’re looking
- Flashlight with lasers and stuff which can paint an ‘outline’ around objects or edges (projection mapping)
- LED directly on shelf (no mcpcb) for better heat transfer
- Use of heat-pipes
- Anode and cathode are both available on + end so why send current through battery tube ?
- Make entire flashlight out of synthetic diamond for better heatsinking
- Flashlight which can feel pain and become jealous when you buy newer model

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The last item varbos mentioned may seem funny at first, but we are implementing a more human decision approach and “feelings” into our daily innovations. Think about some answers Siri gives you or how the latest robots work.

And therefore I am adding something to the list:

- A flashlight you can talk to. “Hey Olight, can you brighten up the room a bit?” “Hey FW3A_V2, can you shine more over here where I am working?”

Imagine the use cases going forward…

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Im ashamed to say that up until the flashlights can feel pain and become jealous and questioned the synthetic diamond part, I believed everything was real. You can tell Im no expert in flashlights. Facepalm

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PBWilson wrote:
A quad or triple with ramping and a 21700 cell. Something just a smidge thinner than an Emisar D4S and not the absolute scorcher of a Fireflies E07?

A budget and compact 70.2 light with a single 21700 cell?

And I dig those designs, Di_Joker.


  • The Acebeam EC65 is a quad 21700, though I don’t think it has ramping (I haven’t look. It does have usb charging with (not to spec) USB-C connector.
    Also a D4Sv2 could be made with the normal Carclo quad optics which have a smaller diameter, and it would probably get updated with all the D4v2 stuff too. But I though a lot of owners preferred that different optic.
  • Last one is a bit tougher, boost drivers cost a little more in both money and size, and the 70.2 is somewhat expensive as far as our common LEDs go. (it’s certainly no CFT-90 though hahaha)

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PBWilson wrote:
A budget and compact 70.2 light with a single 21700 cell?

Pretty easy build today. Convoy S21A, XHP70.2

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e1000 wrote:
PBWilson wrote:
A budget and compact 70.2 light with a single 21700 cell?

Pretty easy build today. Convoy S21A, XHP70.2

!{width:50%}https://i.imgur.com/7wPxLhF.jpg!


Where did you get that reflector? It’s beautiful! What’s the beam like?
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Where did you get that reflector? It’s beautiful! What’s the beam like?

Ledil Boom reflector. Beam is super floody but even, no donut hole.

I actually prefer the XHP-50.2 using the stock OP reflector better.

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I still have a soft spot for 1xAA lights (especially if they also accept 14500 Li-Ion cells). I’d love to see more development of the perfect BLF 1xAA special with a fancy open source driver and a good clip, very low parasitic drain and/or mechanical lockout, and compact size.

I also think there’s room for a BLF special edition headlamp. Zebralight is awesome, but they’ve ruled the market for far too long!

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I’d be interested in a few things: (some have been mentioned, so +1 on those)

-Bike lights
-Buck+boost drivers
-Magnetic attaching+onboard-storing diffusers (90deg or side switch lights)
-Headlamp with large LES and high CRI (linear array of Nichia 757?)
-RGB color ramping aux LEDs
-USB or BT programming connectivity
-LEP thrower
-Diecast designs
-14650 based EDC with A6 style FW(think 15mm longer ET D25a)

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Di_Joker wrote:
It would be interesting to see the development of an alternative rare form factor: NITECORE TM10K, NITECORE Concept2… Prototype YLP Octopus:

This looks really interesting in dual 21700. Flat enough for a pocket, bright enough for most every thing. Guessing up to 10,000 lumens in XP-L HD, 8000 lumens in SST-20 5000K. Just doubling the Emisar D4S 26650 stats. Maybe a Nitecore EC4 style tail cap with thumb screw. And/or a magnetic charging port similar to Olight, Fenix or Klarus for real life waterproofing.

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Speaking for myself: I can’t remember being overwhelmed by too much real innovations lately
My feeling is that most everything I read is about efficiency, AKA evolution.
Which is not a bad thing in itself. But you also might just call it: more of the same.
Meaning schlepping around big lights with big batteries and lots and lots of XHP 789.x emitters.

Batteries: every now and then you read about a new chemistry with a double energy density.
That can be loaded to a 100% in 5 minutes. And the university that came with the idea,
thinks it can be made outside a lab in a size bigger than a grain of rice within the next decade.
Though still cylindrical.
How about making a 2 component battery with totally harmless silly putty like characteristics, .
Which can be stowed away in any “dead” corner of the flashlight housing.
The red stuff connected to the + lead of the driver, and the green stuff to the – lead.
Maybe even make the flashlight housing itself from the same silly putty plus some solidifier.

Emitter: we have seen incandescent’s in the flavors carbon and tungsten, vacuum and halogen.
But except at the very start we have not seen a giant leap for mankind.
Then came the LED. A short period HID was the new wonder. And now there is the LEP.
For the inventors I hope it is well patented, for us I hope it is not.

To direct the light we have reflectors, lenses, TIR’s and the very well patented Wavien collar.
Why no (electro)magnets? Light is an electromagnetic wave, after all.
But maybe somewhere there is a hermit in a celler working on a sort of Chitauri Scepter.
Just waiting to be silenced by an ambulance chaser reprogrammed to be a patent hunter.

Cynical? Maybe. Depressed? Nah. Give a kid its first flashlight (parental guidance).
Simple and solid design. To small to serious hurt someone, too big to swallow.
Watch those eyes light up as the light goes on. Even beats eating a big bar of chocolate.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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  Blasphemy !!! .. I can eat chocolate in the dark . Or dark chocolate in the light . But lights and no chocolate ? That's very un-BLF of you to say . The tradition to send something sweet with every light shipped is still very strong in some circles here on the forum .

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