Lumintop FW1A Update: product listing is up

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I have been looking for the thread about different optics for the FW3. I think you can narrow the beam. I agree, for the same approximate output the FW is very very floody and the E01 gives a pretty nice throw, without a real defined hotspot. Does anyone know where I can find the differences in the optics for the FW3?

I don’t pocket carry because my pockets are full with gun, shield case, change, car fob etc. The FW3 in a small case is almost idea for EDC. The E01 does carry slightly bigger, but I find it to be a much better all around light.

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The biggest problem with FW1A is their emitter choices assuming they stick with the same driver. Not having LH351D is going to limit them to (probably) XP-L HI, and XP-L HD – boring.

SST-20 will be pushing it into overcurrent with not very good lumen output
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This flashlight would be a great gift. Therefor they should also find a solution to the retention ring issue.

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contactcr wrote:
The biggest problem with FW1A is their emitter choices assuming they stick with the same driver. Not having LH351D is going to limit them to (probably) XP-L HI, and XP-L HD – boring.

SST-20 will be pushing it into overcurrent with not very good lumen output
Nichia cant be driven DD

This is why I’ve been looking into limiting turbo on my A6 drivers, haven’t got very far though as I keep getting distracted by new lights!

The same thing could possibly be done in Anduril, I’m guessing by changing the values in fsm-ramping.h. This would be a rather crude implementation though.

I’ve mentioned limiting turbo once before. Not sure if TK considered it at the time or if it’s even desirable or feasible. Who know’s, maybe it’s already been implemented and is waiting for the FW1A to be built!

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Check out the Fireflies E01. … I ran a test last night and put the E01 into turbo for 90 seconds. Never stepped down, temp was 46 C.

Totally different light. A 34 mm head is a bit large for EDC, and it’s 20% longer than the FW1A. Really it’s pushing the boundaries of an EDC

I have an E01, since I made the firmware for it. It’s roughly the same size as an E07, and both are significantly larger than a FW3A. However, the E01 does have particularly good thermal performance. Here’s what I measured while testing its thermal regulation:

I don’t end up using it much though, since the beam is cool white and generally more throwy than I usually want. So I mostly use neutral white lights instead, with wider beams.

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If you can’t see it step down, it didn’t step down.

If you can’t see it step down, it simply has a smooth regulation algorithm. Most thermally-regulated lights these days adjust in steps too small to see by eye, so they need to be measured by a lux meter to determine whether they have stepped down. The E01 definitely falls into that category. It’s very difficult for a human to see a 50% change in output when it takes more than a minute to happen.

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I have been looking for the thread about different optics for the FW3. … Does anyone know where I can find the differences in the optics for the FW3?

Maukka gave very detailed info about the performance of different optics in the FW3A: http://budgetlightforum.com/node/65619

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Tally-ho wrote:
Fritz Works…really ? When the 2 most important aspects of Fritz’ design were dropped early.

I thought we had resolved this already… Lumintop didn’t change the FW3A design away from what Fritz wanted. Fritz changed the design himself, and it’s still his.

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To put an end to the tapered body discussion … I can confirm it is still my design.
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Neale has a voting in his FB group about FW1A options and SS bezel is on top.
It would be nice if only heatsink/driver and bezel reflector in different materials could be offered to match current hosts

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hodor wrote:
I’ve been looking into limiting turbo on my A6 drivers…

The same thing could possibly be done in Anduril, I’m guessing by changing the values in fsm-ramping.h.

I’ve mentioned limiting turbo once before. Not sure if TK considered it at the time or if it’s even desirable or feasible.

Limiting the turbo level by limiting the PWM duty cycle is not only feasible, it’s actively used in several lights. A few of Anduril’s build targets have a “219” version which does exactly that, in order to make them safe to run on lights with 219C or 219B emitters.

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hodor wrote:
contactcr wrote:
The biggest problem with FW1A is their emitter choices assuming they stick with the same driver. Not having LH351D is going to limit them to (probably) XP-L HI, and XP-L HD – boring.

SST-20 will be pushing it into overcurrent with not very good lumen output
Nichia cant be driven DD

This is why I’ve been looking into limiting turbo on my A6 drivers, haven’t got very far though as I keep getting distracted by new lights!

The same thing could possibly be done in Anduril, I’m guessing by changing the values in fsm-ramping.h. This would be a rather crude implementation though.

I’ve mentioned limiting turbo once before. Not sure if TK considered it at the time or if it’s even desirable or feasible. Who know’s, maybe it’s already been implemented and is waiting for the FW1A to be built!

I think it’d be cool to be able to configure turbo similar the way the ramp floor and ceiling are configured. It’d need some sort of menu to designate raising or lowering though. Like setting turbo to 130 would effectively make the driver function like a moonlight special, not using the FET. And between 130 and 150 would be different FET levels. I’m not sure where between 130 and 150 half turbo is, but it’d be cool to play with and set it at an appropriate level to not blow up an SST-20 or something.

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not interested at all
seems a throw variant not competitive with what’s out there.
and a tail switch…

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chinooker wrote:
not interested at all

I think there’s a button for that.

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Ah yes I wasn’t thinking clearly, of course you’re right Blushing

I think my original post was about a user configurable turbo through the UI.

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jasontheguitarist wrote:
I think it’d be cool to be able to configure turbo similar the way the ramp floor and ceiling are configured. It’d need some sort of menu to designate raising or lowering though. Like setting turbo to 130 would effectively make the driver function like a moonlight special, not using the FET. And between 130 and 150 would be different FET levels. I’m not sure where between 130 and 150 half turbo is, but it’d be cool to play with and set it at an appropriate level to not blow up an SST-20 or something.

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of. For same reason I didn’t re-engage my brain after writing about the A6.

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Different strokes for different folks. And majority will determine the definive version(s), of course. However, there is one remark I would like to make. The post count is in the low forties and already opinions are drifting apart.
Some people would like to have an ultra flooder like the A6 and some want a much more throwing light. And the last will be a challenge if the dimensions are (already?) fixed to roughly 100mm length.

So I would suggest a TIR optic for the FW1A.
My experience with TIR optics is that the beam is almost always quite good (intensity distribution, tint-shift).
And within the size limits even a thrower would be in reach if we use a clear narrow optic (8 degrees or less).

IMHO a FW1A with a short OP reflector would be nothing more than a crippled version of the FW3A.

Just my 2c.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
I thought we had resolved this already… Lumintop didn’t change the FW3A design away from what Fritz wanted. Fritz changed the design himself, and it’s still his.

Yes but at which point it is really his design ?
He made it but he also clearly declared earlier that this kind of angles won’t happen. Who pushed the idea of those angles ? People on BLF/TLF, Lumintop, both ?
Anyway, we will never know. The only thing that we know is that some people liked the early design and signed for it, so why not making a small run for them and for Fritz Works sake instead of pushing things further away of this original design ?
(Some people don’t use pocket clip).
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Since this flashlight is more for the mass marked and non flashaholics it would be wise to somehow lock the retention ring in place with a simple lock solution, and at the same time it should be possible to lock it up using proper tools.

Anyway, I want a similar tail switch flashlight with tail magnet.

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I’d consider buying this, but honestly the QC of FW3A is not impressive. My first light came with 1 led DOA, my second light behaves quite differently in a few aspects. Very different feel of the button, plus the need to tighten the heck out of it in order to work. Not to mention the optics fiasco.
On top of that the heat it produces is mindblowing. If they make a single LED with slightly longer head, would that mean there’s gonna be less heat?
I have a Sofirn SP32A V2 which I use to walk the dog recently and it feels way better than the FW3A. Certainly less flood, but enough for the task, plus it heats up way less, even on turbo.
Also a dedicated battery level indicator would be nice.

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If this comes in the raw aluminium finish I will definitely buy it.

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Henk4U2 wrote:
Different strokes for different folks. And majority will determine the definive version(s), of course. However, there is one remark I would like to make. The post count is in the low forties and already opinions are drifting apart.
Some people would like to have an ultra flooder like the A6 and some want a much more throwing light. And the last will be a challenge if the dimensions are (already?) fixed to roughly 100mm length.

So I would suggest a TIR optic for the FW1A.
My experience with TIR optics is that the beam is almost always quite good (intensity distribution, tint-shift).
And within the size limits even a thrower would be in reach if we use a clear narrow optic (8 degrees or less).

IMHO a FW1A with a short OP reflector would be nothing more than a crippled version of the FW3A.

Just my 2c.

They should just make the reflector the same size as regularly available Yajiamei Optics. You get plenty of 3535 and 5050 types. It could make this light very customizable…. I would definitely run a Luxeon V 4000K or SST-40 5000K (from Simon) in the FW1A.

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Does the existence of this mean a future single emitter EDC18 is possible?
I.e. an 18650 version of the EDC05?

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Tally-ho wrote:
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I thought we had resolved this already… Lumintop didn’t change the FW3A design away from what Fritz wanted. Fritz changed the design himself, and it’s still his.

Yes but at which point it is really his design ?
He made it but he also clearly declared earlier that this kind of angles won’t happen. Who pushed the idea of those angles ? People on BLF/TLF, Lumintop, both ?
Anyway, we will never know.

It’s not a mystery. It’s documented right there in the public thread.

In 2017 he defended the sharp angles, primarily as a way to make it clear that it’s not a HDS clone.

After more discussion and testing, he changed his mind and decided the tapered edges were a better idea. Pics were posted and it was clarified that what people were signing up for had smoother angles. This information was available in the first post during most of the project’s development and sign-up period.

~3000 posts later, the matter had gotten so out of hand that he tried to put an end to it by confirming that it was his design and not a downgrade or compromise.

~12,000 posts later, we’re apparently still debating it even though it was decided in 2017 and the final authoritative answer was given more than a year ago.

In any case, I’m looking forward to the FW1A. It’ll be nice to have a throwier version which goes a lot farther at the same power levels. Also looking forward to the bare aluminum FW3A, which is what I had been hoping for all along. Smile

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I have the bare aluminum on order. Supposed to be in this week.
I bought the TK special.
It is very nice.

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I’m definitely more excited for this than the 3A. My main reason for using my Zebra SC64w hi over the FW3A is that I like the beam profile of single emitter + reflector better.

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not interested at all

I think there’s a button for that.


so my reasons are moot?
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chinooker wrote:
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chinooker wrote:
not interested at all

I think there’s a button for that.


so my reasons are moot?

To put it simply: yes.

Longer version: This light is apparently not made for you. But some will like it. Feel free to not buy it. I probably won’t buy it either. But I don’t feel the need to trash other people’s projects. If you have some constructive input, fire away. Otherwise, we don’t need to hear from you. Thank you for understanding. Innocent

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Well, I thought I was done buying FWxx lights after I ordered the Ti and Cu but I guess I’ll be adding a couple more once these drop.

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DavidEF wrote:
chinooker wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
chinooker wrote:
not interested at all

I think there’s a button for that.


so my reasons are moot?

To put it simply: yes.

Longer version: This light is apparently not made for you. But some will like it. Feel free to not buy it. I probably won’t buy it either. But I don’t feel the need to trash other people’s projects. If you have some constructive input, fire away. Otherwise, we don’t need to hear from you. Thank you for understanding. Innocent

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mopar440_6 wrote:
Well, I thought I was done buying FWxx lights after I ordered the Ti and Cu but I guess I'll be adding a couple more once these drop.

Yeap, Ti/Cu reflector is my next one on the list coolcoolcool

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I will gladly buy this one as a gift, preferably with the pink-rosy andozinig, Toykeeper Editiob. But absolutely without FET.

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I’ve been thinking about the benefits of EDC’ing a single emitter version of the FW3A long before they made a sample, as there wasn’t much of a difference between it and the D4 (performance wise). More throw is always useful for anything further than 10 meters away.

But a reflector version would also remain a shelf queen for the same reason I didn’t ever EDC any of the many S2+, X1R, A6 or similar tube lights I’ve owned or modded, that beam gets boring and unexciting over time no matter the emitter choice. There simply isn’t going to be any magic with a 20mm reflector. The best tube light reflector I’ve ever seen was in a eagletac D3C, it was clean very throwy but even then I still sold it.

Now optics is a whole new unexplored world, after having the FW3A as EDC for a few months, I think the perfect setup would be either a XPL HI V4 or a 1mm2 in a very tight optic, stonewashed titanium body, which paired with the current FW from TK will deliver amazing thermal regulation,

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