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gusto wrote:
He said it’s definitely nicer and he likes the design

Yes I know, toykepper quoted this same message for me when we were discussing about this point.
First he said that it is nicer to use with the pocket clip, but what is the advantage of those angled reduction over the first prototype when you don’t use the pocket clip ? None.
Second there are 2 messages from fritz in the FW3A thread that let think that those angled reductions weren’t completely his idea. Later he said what he said but I know how people can change their mind and the true aspect on things based on several factors.
But anyway, the real question is that when you see that lumintop is making new variations, longer, larger, much larger, much smaller, etc, why can’t they make another variation that would be exactly like the the first prototype ?
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bmengineer – does this use a 16mm or 20mm star? Thanks.

The FW1A uses a 20mm star.

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Tally-ho wrote:
gusto wrote:
He said it’s definitely nicer and he likes the design

Yes I know, toykepper quoted this same message for me

A few times, IIRC. Wink

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what is the advantage of those angled reduction over the first prototype when you don’t use the pocket clip ?

It’s more comfortable to hold, and easier to tell one end from the other by feel.

I have an older one with the sharp corner, and it digs in during use so it doesn’t feel as good.

The original design was easier to machine, but Fritz’s revised design is a bit nicer to use. Personally, I would have gone with a steeper slope on the front part, but I’m okay with the gentle slope too.

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bmengineer – does this use a 16mm or 20mm star? Thanks.
The FW1A uses a 20mm star.

Thank you for following up. I like the 7A tint in the FW3A so much that I need to buy a few singles to pop in the new model. I found some in Simon’s Convoy store if anyone else is interested.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32574557369.html

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bmengineer – does this use a 16mm or 20mm star? Thanks.
The FW1A uses a 20mm star.

Thank you for following up. I like the 7A tint in the FW3A so much that I need to buy a few singles to pop in the new model. I found some in Simon’s Convoy store if anyone else is interested.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32574557369.html

Kaidomain also has them, U4 7A2.
Slightly more expensive but such is life.

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OP updated with the pictures of my samples and cleaned it up a bit.
Since everyone is asking about the beam – I don’t have any beam shots yet, but I took the SST-20 version on a night hike last night and it was fantastic. Right on the edge for me where it’s just floody enough to hike with and see where I’m putting my feet, but easily enough throw to find where the dogs ran off to in large clearings without having to melt my hand on turbo. That’s a super versatile spread, and exactly what I want for an EDC light. I actually find it a similar beam to the much larger Dobermann, which might make sense since the XHP35 Hi is a larger LED.
I think for a lot of people this will easily fit the “pocket thrower” role as is, since the reflector is noticeably wider than the one used in common lights like the S2+. For anyone feeling up to a bit of modding, an LH351D would probably also look great in this light while having a bit more output and a floodier beam.

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Wish they would do black ano on this one

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Wish they would do black ano on this one

Wish they would do a stainless steel bezel on this one, but I imagine Lumintop is getting tired of different versions by now. Has anyone counted the SKUs in production right now?

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Wish they would do a stainless steel bezel on this one, but I imagine Lumintop is getting tired of different versions by now. Has anyone counted the SKUs in production right now?
18350 tube,18500 tube,SS bezel will be available about at September 30th. on Neal’s site, may be you can just buy the bezel by itself later.

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SS bezel would look much better on a black ano or raw alu light than this fake gray color but maybe i’m wrong. the bezel is going to be so big since it’s the entire head and not just a threaded on front piece (unless they change that too?)

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SS bezel would look much better on a black ano or raw alu light than this fake gray color

What exactly is fake grey?

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SS bezel would look much better on a black ano or raw alu light than this fake gray color
What exactly is fake grey?

The arbitrary blue-gray color they used in place of doing clear or no ano.

Here’s the only example I can think of, one looks OK, the other some people complained about and some didn’t care. I guess we will just have to see:

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I saw an update that my order just arrived at LA this morning… anyone else seeing the same? How long do you guys think it will take to ship?

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SS bezel would look much better on a black ano or raw alu light than this fake gray color

What exactly is fake grey?

The arbitrary blue-gray color they used in place of doing clear or no ano.

Oh. So it’s not fake grey, it’s fake “natural” anodizing.

It was never pretending to be natural ano though, like the type 3 military-grade stuff with no dye. It’s just … grey. Real grey, in a medium shade, with a hint of blue in some batches.

Natural would have been okay too, if the result could be kept a consistent shade so the parts would match… but it ended up using dye instead.

Totally unrelated, tracking says I should have a FW1A tomorrow. So that should be interesting.

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Totally unrelated, tracking says I should have a FW1A tomorrow. So that should be interesting.

Looking forward to your impressions. I’m thinking I may get an FW1T when they’re inevitably released.

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It’s just … grey. Real grey, in a medium shade, with a hint of blue in some batches.

Fake blues!

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Flashlight enthusiast wrote:
I saw an update that my order just arrived at LA this morning... anyone else seeing the same? How long do you guys think it will take to ship?

Yes, I got the same notice. I am guessing that our FW1As will be going through customs in LA, and then handed over to the USPS for delivery. Fremont was the first stop in the US last week, but it is not a point of entry for customs.

 

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It’s just … grey. Real grey, in a medium shade, with a hint of blue in some batches.

Fake blues!

My point was the lack of contrast with the SS bezel but I get it. You guys like the gray more than me.

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Okay, so the number I was trying to find out was apparently 22.5.

22.5 cd/lm in the XP-L HI version of the FW1A. Plus or minus a pretty large error margin due to my questionable measurement tools.

That’s about two thirds of the Emisar D1, which gets 33 cd/lm. And it’s about 6 times as throwy as the FW3A, which only gets like 4 cd/lm (I measured 3.8 cd/lm on a XP-L HI version with 10511 optic).

And if that’s anywhere near accurate, it means the FW1A should get about 27 to 29 kcd at turbo, for about 330 to 340m of throw.

So it’s less throwy than the official specs claim, but still more throwy than I was hoping. I’m debating whether to add some DC-Fix on the lens to tone it down a bit, since I was hoping it’d be 10 to 15 cd/lm. Will have to try it outdoors at night to check if it’s too throwy or not.

Anyway, initial impressions of the FW1A are good. It does a lot of things right.

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Sounds grrreat

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Does anyone remember, offhand, what the throw numbers are for the triple?

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Does anyone remember, offhand, what the throw numbers are for the triple?

See above.

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If you mean just above, those figures are for the 1A, and I was trying to remember how it would compare to the 3A. I have to leave for work, so no time to search right now.

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Thanks, TK. That sounds great! I’m looking forward to comparisons with some known lights (S2+, ZL SC6x).

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The numbers are pretty approximate. I measured 3.8 cd/lm at the 1×7135 level on a FW3A with XP-L HI 3D. However, maukka measured 4.46 cd/lm (12500 cd / 2800 lm). And maukka’s numbers are probably much more accurate.

In any case, the FW3A gets about 4-ish cd/lm with XP-L HI emitters… and FW1A gets about 22-ish cd/lm.

Using the same equipment, I measured the FW1A at about 5.95X more throwy, so it goes a lot farther at the same power levels. During normal use, this makes a huge difference. In particular, it can really increase the overall runtime, since it only needs a fraction as much power to achieve the same visible brightness.

However, the turbo level makes fewer lumens, so the maximum hotspot intensity is only about ~2.4X as much as the FW3A. And the maximum throw is about ~1.5X as many meters as the FW3A.

TL;DR: FW1A has a much smaller but much brighter hotspot, so it’s way better for seeing into the distance. If used up close though, it’ll require aiming much more carefully since it lights up a smaller area.

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I’m interested to have it along the fw3a but waiting to see if they release any other colors first.

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The FW1A doesn’t have a list of literally thousands of people waiting to buy it, so I don’t expect there will be a lot of colors to choose from. Probably just grey. That could maybe change eventually, but it’s far less popular than the original FW3A because it’s a spinoff, so the chance of multiple flavors is probably not very high.

It’s probably also worth mentioning that if the grey one sells well, the chance of multiple colors increases. If the grey one doesn’t sell well, there probably won’t be other colors.

It’s a good light though, so I hope it sticks around.

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I don’t know anything about plans for more colors and I agree with TK that they might not come.

I did hear from a little birdie that there might be an option for an add-on bezel of a different material down the road if things go well…

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Anyone know if Ti is coming?

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trakcon wrote:
Anyone know if Ti is coming?

This right here, I’d be first in line to buy a FW1T.

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