21700 P60 from Convoy?

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21700 P60 from Convoy?

Many here have a real affinity for the P60. I e-mailed Simon Mao of Convoy after a few post in his up and coming items thread. Question asked if he would consider building the host as a 21700 P60 style flashlight. Some of his concerns were the issue of appearance infringement. I offered to start a thread here asking it’s popularity, market viability and styling? So he could possibly see the feed back and response. I see this as a host only staying true to the pocket design and extended bezel screw on. Probably at 27+ mm body diameter making the tail cap no longer interchangeable. Feed back and input gladly accepted. Trying to convince Convoy to manufacture it as profitably and viably.

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I would be interested in one, have plenty of Solarforce and P60 pills here.
Infringing on the design patent is only a concern if the new flashlights looks exactly like or very similar to the old one? Or is there a patent on the overall design of a P60 pill inside of a flashlight?

If so, who owns it?
I don’t see new P60 type lights being manufactured or marketed heavily, at least not online?

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I will gladly buy it!

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I’ve still got plenty of L2M and ’501/‘502 hosts to last me a lifetime, but using a 21 for extra runtime and a nicer grip might be nice.

(Re)using the styling of the M1 and/or M2 might cut some development time.

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I had suggested a body tube similar to the S12 or one of his others to have his style to it. Also asked for a possible finned head and double o-rings.

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I’d be interested.

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I’d almost certainly pick one up.

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My funds are pretty tight but this would shoot straight to the top of the list. I definitely like the idea of some nicely done fins and double O-rings. I’m afraid I can’t really be much of a help with design aspects as I’m just not knowledgeable enough. I firmly believe that we should not infringe on patents and the like but it does seem to me like this should be doable without doing so.

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In for few 

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I would buy one.

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Superstocker wrote:
My funds are pretty tight but this would shoot straight to the top of the list. I definitely like the idea of some nicely done fins and double O-rings. I’m afraid I can’t really be much of a help with design aspects as I’m just not knowledgeable enough. I firmly believe that we should not infringe on patents and the like but it does seem to me like this should be doable without doing so.

Thanks for replying. It’s not really a thread of BLF’s design but of the desire for Convoy to produce. Simon has offered to update the 502B to 21700 size. This design how ever only allowed its head assembly. The tail piece was notorious for cross threading as it inserted into rather than over the body. We need to show interest and that this is not a dead concept to get a true P60 format with Convoy’s style.

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texas shooter wrote:
Simon has offered to update the 502B to 21700 size. This design how ever only allowed its head assembly. The tail piece was notorious for cross threading as it inserted into rather than over the body.

Hm? Mine all had/have glassy-smooth coarse triangular threads that screw in perfectly. They’re like pipe-fittings.

I don’t think I could cross-thread ‘em if I tried.

I always loved the ’502B, EDCed one since I carried any light on me at all.

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I would definitely be in for some. I love the P60 for moderate builds and beat around uses!

Please help this happen!

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If we do this, and make an upgraded ’502, please please please please please keep the original rounded tailcap. Ie, where the tailcap itself is rounded, and the switchcap is similarly rounded and flush with the tailcap itself. Not the common squared-off tailcap, “moat”, and then pill-type switchcap like on every other light in existence.

The original rounded tailcap lent the ’502 a unique styling, made it easy to press even with gloves, and who cares if it’s not able to tailstand. The L2M (and most Solarforces I can recall) with protruding button was never able to tailstand, and no one P&Med about that.

It’s a bit hard to see with glare reflecting off the tailcap, but like this:

You should be able to draw one contiguous arc from edge-to-edge of the tailcap, with the profile of the rubber switchcap following that arc.

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All depends on the pocket design… I would be in for a few….

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I would definitely be in for one but depending on the design maybe more.

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Lightbringer wrote:
If we do this, and make an upgraded ’502, please please please please please keep the original rounded tailcap. Ie, where the tailcap itself is rounded, and the switchcap is similarly rounded and flush with the tailcap itself. Not the common squared-off tailcap, “moat”, and then pill-type switchcap like on every other light in existence.

The original rounded tailcap lent the ’502 a unique styling, made it easy to press even with gloves, and who cares if it’s not able to tailstand. The L2M (and most Solarforces I can recall) with protruding button was never able to tailstand, and no one P&Med about that.

It’s a bit hard to see with glare reflecting off the tailcap, but like this:

You should be able to draw one contiguous arc from edge-to-edge of the tailcap, with the profile of the rubber switchcap following that arc.

I for one think tail standing is important. It is very hard to use a largish light when you are the only person and have to use both hands to work. I have always migrated towards the Solar Force tail caps that allow for a free stand. Now, I do not like the totally encircled buttons, but the ones with cutouts still allow for gloved use.

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FW3A, LH351D 3500k
FW3A, SST20 FD2 4000k
FW3A, Nichia 4000k sw40 r9080 (favorite light!)
FW3A, Cree XP-L Hi 5A3
Emisar D4V2, SST20 4000k
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I’d love to try one! Maybe something with a tactical look.

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mattlward wrote:
Now, I do not like the totally encircled buttons, but the ones with cutouts still allow for gloved use.

Actually, I think those with the cutouts are the absolute worst, yet every light and its grandmother has them. Sick

If they don’t line up with a side-button, a pocket clip, etc., they’re just downright awkward., and in at least one light I have (UT20?), it just bites into my thumb trying to use it while still being able to access the side-button.

And they’re much less stable when tailstanding vs a full-circle, especially on a slightly-tilted or otherwise irregular surface.

The way I carry the ’502 (several years, daily), the clip goes under my knuckles and is sort of a natural grip (like where brass-knuckles would sit).

Stick “ears” on the cap that don’t line up absolutely perfectly with where my thumb rests, and I won’t buy even a single one. And I’m not about to half-twist when I want to press the switch, then half-twist back when I’m done. Yecch.

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I would be interested

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Any updates on this or not enough interest?

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Same here, gladly would buy…
but if it’s like almost perfect

Meaning no sharp edges
No hard knurling like C8+
firm clip (not s2+ type)
18650 preferably due to diameter
Forward clicky

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Mr.Poppy wrote:
Same here, gladly would buy…
but if it’s like almost perfect

Meaning no sharp edges
No hard knurling like C8+
firm clip (not s2+ type)
18650 preferably due to diameter
Forward clicky


Read the OP…Thread is for a 21700 P60 Light….

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I’d like to see some slightly more aggressive knurling than the S2+ like what was done on the YLP Unicorn 1.0.

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I had e-mailed Simon from Convoy. He responded and after a few back and forth replies I offer to start a thread to see if it’s viable. I would love to see it come to fruit but it’s up to the popularity hence market viability to get it. I still use the P60 in Solarforce host at work and around the house. It really needs a much bigger push than I can give it. I choice Convoy due to quality and their personal interest in us. Plus their 5 amp driver would pair well with future dropins. It could be a BLF build or an Astrolux. It’s going to take a real push to happen. Some of us love them, some like them and some say it’s a dinosaur.

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I’m in for a clean/smooth design, while keeping the size small.
Good pocket clip.
Some fins for heat dissipation, good knurling on the body.
With the size of the reflector a SST20 would have some throw, without a bunch of heat.
And some FDE anodizing!

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blind-eye wrote:
I’d like to see some slightly more aggressive knurling than the S2+ like what was done on the YLP Unicorn 1.0.

Yes Thumbs Up

Not like your going to carry it in your pants pocket, a P60 reflector is around 26.5-27mm diameter plus the head/bezel makes it around 32-33mm with a 21700 battery tube and tail cap, it’s not going to be pocket EDC friendly so holster carry would be the choice.

kiriba-ru could make custom aluminum/copper triple/quad pills for it, a tapered pill that matches the host pocket will lock in when head bezel is tightened for heat transfer eliminate the need for copper foil wrapping.

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I’m not fighting off 21700 don’t get me wrong

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