Balder SE-1 or Xeno E03? (Both are within a couple bucks of each other and both are now Xml so- which to get?)

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Balder SE-1 or Xeno E03? (Both are within a couple bucks of each other and both are now Xml so- which to get?)
Balder
36% (16 votes)
Xeno
64% (28 votes)
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For the same money, Xeno is a better buy.

The Balder is usually $6-$10 less expensive, and shows it in the fit and finish.

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Depends what your needs are. The Balder will give you a LOW low while the Xeno is brighter on high (not a ton). To me, each light has its own strengths and weaknesses but generally even out in comparison. Based on over all performance, I would prefer the SE-1 because of the low mode, but be aware that there have been driver issues on a few so far so it could be hit or miss. If you don't need a low low mode then you're probably safe with the Xeno. I'm satisfied with the fit and finish of the SE-1.

 

I only had an issue with the driver on the XP-E and my two XM-L versions have been fine. Ric is sending me a replacement driver. HOWEVER, Balder replaced the entire flashlight after just one email to them. The only problem is they sent an XM-L version instead of XP-E. I didn't really complain because I got a replacement from the manufacturer with no hassle and I'm already getting a driver from the vendor anyway. Hopefully I'll end up with a free flashlight out of the deal Smile 

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I agree with weiser701: Both lights have their strengths and weaknesses, but I like them equally. Earlier I liked Xeno more, but now I have noticed that I use Balder more often. Depends on my mood, I guess..

When it comes to output, beam and tint, I would say that they are separated at birth. I can't see much difference in them, really.

Quality in Xeno might be a bit better, but I don't have anything bad to say about my Balder either.

Main differences:

 Balder SE-1Xeno E03
ClickyForwardReverse
Mode orderH-M-LM-L-H
Low mode with 14500Low"Quite high"
Clip includedYesNo

All of these can be considered as pro or con (based on your needs), so there's no clear winner.

=> Buy both. Wink

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I agree that it's a tough call to make depending on what you want to use it for and what features are priorities. Also, are you planning on running primarily on 14500 or will you be all nimh and alkaline?

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_the_ wrote:

I agree with weiser701: Both lights have their strengths and weaknesses, but I like them equally. Earlier I liked Xeno more, but now I have noticed that I use Balder more often. Depends on my mood, I guess..

When it comes to output, beam and tint, I would say that they are separated at birth. I can't see much difference in them, really.

Quality in Xeno might be a bit better, but I don't have anything bad to say about my Balder either.

Main differences:

 Balder SE-1Xeno E03
ClickyForwardReverse
Mode orderH-M-LM-L-H
Low mode with 14500Low"Quite high"
Clip includedYesNo

All of these can be considered as pro or con (based on your needs), so there's no clear winner.

=> Buy both. Wink

Just want to add a few things more Wink 

 Balder SE-1Xeno E03
PWMon LOW and MEDCC
Size (official)102x24 mm96.5x21.5 mm
Weight (official)40 g.48 g.
MemoryYesNo
Momentary ONYesNo

I don't have Balder, but looks like a very nice light. I like my Xeno... but can someone post beamshots on MAX with 14500? Want to see those beam profiles. Thanks in advance.

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I sold off my Balder but kept my Xeno.  I do miss the forward clicky but that's it.

 

The Xeno is only missing a permanent clip like the nitecore EX11/D11 one.  I really really dislike the Balder clip.

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Many Xenos had crappy switches..hence the xtra switch in the package.

Balder....mehhh..       

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Streamer wrote:

Many Xenos had crappy switches..hence the xtra switch in the package.

Balder....mehhh..       


Love my xeno, had it for about 4-5 months now.  I liked it so much I bought a second one and haven't even opened it up, just keeping it as a spare.  I do agree the switch should be higher quality, but thats really the only downside.

 

Did you guys forget to mention the xeno has square threads? or does the balder have square threads also?

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Both are also available in Neutral-white T5.

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Streamer wrote:

Many Xenos had crappy switches..hence the xtra switch in the package.

Balder....mehhh..       

Yeah, it feels cheapy, but mine works very well ATM. I'd paid 50c. more for a better switch for sure.

 

aoyue2702 wrote:

Did you guys forget to mention the xeno has square threads? or does the balder have square threads also?

Nope (Matts pic)

BTW, don't know why, but I prefer anodized threads. Feels better and smoother to me. 

 

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Xeno E03 does not use PWM, not even 5kHz.  I wasn't able to measure any.  That is a major issue for quite a few flashaholics, and usually for 30 bucks lights you definitely get visible PWM. 

Also E03 has NW and WW options.

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Anyone know where we can get replacement switches for the Xeno? 

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atbglenn wrote:

Anyone know where we can get replacement switches for the Xeno? 

'Tellin ya, just remove the switch from the tail and soak that bad boy in wd-40.  It works like a charm (no replacement needed).

I would be interested in a forward clicky though....

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jondotcom wrote:

atbglenn wrote:

Anyone know where we can get replacement switches for the Xeno? 

'Tellin ya, just remove the switch from the tail and soak that bad boy in wd-40.  It works like a charm (no replacement needed).

I would be interested in a forward clicky though....

Thanks man Smile I just got mine a few days ago and I'm loving it so far. Got my 14500's today and I'm charging them. Can't wait to see how bright this thing can get!

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aoyue2702 wrote:

I liked it so much I bought a second one and haven't even opened it up, just keeping it as a spare. 

Are you sure it works?

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Of course Smile

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I don't have either ...

but

I'd buy the xeno

 

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I also dont have either...but I do like the Xeno due to the awesome looking blue color it had.  Black gets a bit boring all the time...

 

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Forgot to mention: Balder doesn't tailstand properly, Xeno does.

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Just put a 14500 in my Xeno, and man is this thing bright! The low isn't that low anymore, but that doesn't bother me at all Smile

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My SE-1 just died.  Sad

 

Plus one for the Xeno.

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Just for the hell of it... I went outside and threw my xeno about 50 feet into the air, and let it land on gravely/grassy area,  works perfect and didn't flicker at all.. 

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esrevenge wrote:

I also dont have either...but I do like the Xeno due to the awesome looking blue color it had.  Black gets a bit boring all the time...

 

Looks more like purple to me. Still looks cool though

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I have the Xeno E03 and E15... no Balder. But, from what I have seen in pics, the Balder doesn't appear as well-built. I really wish the Xeno had a firefly mode and a pocket clip! GITD o-ring & tailcap, choice of tints, quality knurling & threads, tailstanding (great during blackouts with XML emitters), steel bezel... easily beats the Balder (in my opinion). I wish Xeno made a single CR123 light, or at least a CR123 version of their E15, complete with 1 or 2 cell capability! Any way to relay this to the guys at Xeno?

*edit* Also wanted to add that the positive terminal spring is a nice touch. I have broken two lights by dropping them on their heads and having the cell smash the board. One was a Jet Beam IBS and the other was a Solarforce L2r with their drop-in.

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aoyue2702 wrote:

Just for the hell of it... I went outside and threw my xeno about 50 feet into the air, and let it land on gravely/grassy area,  works perfect and didn't flicker at all.. 

50 feet is High.........Surprised   That's higher than dropping it off of the average sized suburban house roof.

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yea, I threw it as high as I could and be accurate enough it wouldt land somewhere it wasn't suppose too Smile
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AmbuBadger wrote:

Also wanted to add that the positive terminal spring is a nice touch. I have broken two lights by dropping them on their heads and having the cell smash the board. One was a Jet Beam IBS and the other was a Solarforce L2r with their drop-in.

Your SF drop-in had no spring?

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Ah, yeah... sorry. The drop-in has a spring. The battery force was enough to bust the soldering holding it to the module. Maybe if it were a smaller board, the spring would have been enough to make the difference. 

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i found the xeno on ebay for $26 shipping included. waiting with anticipation for delivery.  my decision based on looking a little less tactical. hope i made the rite one.

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