Kratax mini torch or Olight S1R BATON II? URGENT!

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Kratax mini torch or Olight S1R BATON II? URGENT!

Hi, I’m sorry for the urgency, it is real. Would you buy the Olight S1R BATON II mini torch or the newer Kratax mini torch 900 lumens that came out in July 2019? I’m uncertain.
Thanks for your suggestions.

EDIT: This is the Kratax mini torch: https://www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Kratax-Adjustable-Handheld-Waterproof/...
Olight S1R BATON II: https://www.amazon.com/Performance-IMR16340-Upgraded-Rechargeable-Flashl...

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u are linking to the olight..

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That link goes to the Olight, but I think the light you’re referencing might be a rebranded Wuben TO10R.

My answer is neither; I’d get an Acebeam TK16 with SST-20 emitters.

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I would get the S1R BATON II between those two …

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Thanks for your precious news. Anyway I corrected the first post. The right link is it: https://www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Kratax-Adjustable-Handheld-Waterproof/...

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Kratax what’s? it’s zoomy Olight no and better overall! Understood?

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zak.wilson wrote:
That link goes to the Olight, but I think the light you’re referencing might be a rebranded Wuben TO10R.

My answer is neither; I’d get an Acebeam TK16 with SST-20 emitters.

I have the Acebeam TK16 with the OSRAM emitters as well, would definitely recommend it over the Olight

https://1lumen.com/16340-18350-reviews/acebeam-tk16/

The Kratax looks rubbish to me

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Yokiamy][quote=zak.wilson wrote:
I have the Acebeam TK16 with the OSRAM emitters as well, would definitely recommend it over the Olight

But why does it have only 4 stars?
Look at the Amazon page: https://www.amazon.com/ACEBEAM-Flashlight-Bright-Lumens-Flashlights/dp/B...

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vit55 wrote:
Kratax what’s? it’s zoomy Olight no and better overall! Understood?

Do you have Olight torch?

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FoxAdriano][quote=Yokiamy wrote:
zak.wilson wrote:
I have the Acebeam TK16 with the OSRAM emitters as well, would definitely recommend it over the Olight

But why does it have only 4 stars?
Look at the Amazon page: https://www.amazon.com/ACEBEAM-Flashlight-Bright-Lumens-Flashlights/dp/B...

Because there is no such thing as the perfect light for everybody (read the cons and negative reviews on the amazon link you just provided), it is all just a matter of personal opinion.

try to find those opinions for the other lights as well and please remember we’re just trying to help you right?

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My questions are to understand better. Thank you!

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Amazon reviews are probably one of the worst sources of info on a product. I’m constantly seeing people leave 1-stars because they didn’t read the manual, or not liking a single, small aspect of a product or leaving 5-star reviews that don’t actually say anything or mean they used the product long, or at all.

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The Kratax seems “a lot” like the Wuben E05 and the Xanes XT03 Flat Stare

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Olights have the best build quality of any brand I’ve seen. However, I don’t like the limited emitter option so I don’t own much Olights. Although I have never heard of Kratax, I’m sure it is no where near Olight quality otherwise it would be a well known brand already. The Acebeam TK16 is a great light that I love. However, due to the battery size, it will not last long.

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I do have the 3 of the Olight S1R II. Its a good light with a nice charging set up, very convenient. Measured in my lumen tube it does make its rated 1000 lumens.
The other light you linked looks like a Wuben E05. I have 2 of those and they are also very nice lights. They do make their claimed 900 lumens also.
The supplied battery is rechargeable by usb but the vapcell 14500 battery may give better perforamnce.
The Wuben uses a 14500 and the olight 16340 but with the olight you can only use olight 10c batteries.
The Olight is definetly a nice light with easy charging and a good UI with a very small package for 1000 lumens.
If I had to pick one I guess I would pick the Olight.
But if you have the money to buy both I would try the Wuben E05 first and if you didn’t like it return it or keep it and buy the olight.
The Wuben E05 package deal is on sale at the moment.
https://www.amazon.com/WUBEN-Flashlight-Handheld-Rechargeable-Diffuser/d...
The Wuben for $24 bucks is well worth the money.
Just my opinion Big Smile .

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Hey, out of curiosity, I need to ask a question: you told me Kratax Torch 900 lumen is like WUBEN E05 900 Lumen.Why should I buy WUBEN E05 instead of Kratax?
Kratax is almost the same but it has more options: adjustable focus and it is more recent. Then there is also another aspect: I live in Italy and WUBEN E05 costs 43,26 € whereas the Kratax costs 25,99 €.
Look at the links:
https://www.amazon.it/WUBEN-Luminoso-Magnetica-Ricaricabili-Impermeabile...
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07RX6×8PQ/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
I think you suggest WUBEN E05 because you know it and you don’t know fine Kratax.
Just to know your opinion.
Thank you.

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Honestly, where is the adjustable focus on that light? It has a reflector, no “zoom” function can be seen on that! The adjustable focus seems to be a “click bate”, not a function…

More than that, the UI seems to be ambiguous, it is not well explained on the amazon page! You can’t say id strobe is on the regular cycle or not, if it has memory or not, if it starts on Turbo or in low…

It is sure that the wuben E05 doesn’t have the perfect UI, but the Kratax steps away even further, I guess!

About the price, the Wuben is always more expensive, and it seems that you have urgency, otherwise I would advise you to check AliExpress where you can find a Wuben for 34€!

If you have the money for it, check this german store, in case you prefer the Wuben!
This is the TLF version of the Wuben, with a different LED and a different UI:
https://www.selected-lights.de/led-lampen/selected-lights-wuben-e05-tasc...

And a different price, though…

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That light does not have adjustable focus. Just get the olight or the acebeam suggested by Yokiamy, both great lights.

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No one knows what this Kratax really is.

Besides, I don’t understand why coosing between both lights. The Kratax taken as Wuben E05, it differs from the Olight in any aspect. Different form factor, battery, UI, charging, beam, price … you name it.

Between both lights there are lots of other options. None of them meets your requirements?

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All you are wonderful guys, I thank you a lot for your help. I think I will buy acebeam. Thanks again one.

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FoxAdriano wrote:
All you are wonderful guys, I thank you a lot for your help. I think I will buy acebeam. Thanks again one.

Hey, I bought the Acebeam TK16 in this store: https://www.outdoormesser.de/epages/62013711.mobile/en_GB/?ViewObjectPat...

Best price and fast shipping!
Even when compared to amazon!
It is a german store, maybe it can reach Italy even faster Wink

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Amazon reviews are… highly variable in their utility at best. One of the more negative reviews made some reasonable technical points (most importantly that the Osram version does not have as much throw as advertised), but another reviewer’s chief complaints are that it gets hot when making 1300 lumens and doesn’t run on disposable AAs.

I like the TK16/SST-20 over its direct competition for its tail e-switch, standard battery (with USB port if that’s your thing), color quality, and throw (unlike the Osram version, the SST-20 has more throw than advertised (around 170m at turn-on). It’s not perfect; I don’t like its clip much, nor the plastic optic being exposed. I’d also prefer… different texturing.

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Zac, I believe you, but why most of people buy Olight S1R BATON II and few people just buy Acebeam TK16?
Look at the linkks.
https://it.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20191003220...
https://it.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20191003220...
Anyway I’m buying Acebeam TK16 because it is also nicer esthetically.
Out of curiosity: which of both mini torch is newer? Then it is cheaper in Europe, look at the pic, hoping that is the right mini torch. Could you check it please?
https://www.amazon.it/Acebeam-TK16-Torcia-luminosa-durata/dp/B07S6SWPF9/...
Thank you.

*PS: *Anyway what penalizes Acebeam TK16 torch is the the absence of the battery charger. Needless to say, it is recharged with the phone charger. It isn’t the same because the battery and the power to recharge Acebeam TK16 is different.

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Looking at it from a different perspective…. the Kratax looks like it could be an interesting side e-switch mod host. But, several things could come into play like the driver and how the e-switch is mounted and does it have a real led shelf and is it glued up solid. I am not willing to drop 30 bux to find out, would drop maybe 20.

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Thank you very much for your advice. Instead with regard to the lack of battery carger on Acebeam TK16, which would you but between it and Olight S1R BATON II?

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The Olight S1 series has been around for several years, and the TK16 is new as of this summer. I don’t have accurate sales numbers to say which is more popular.

Building a USB charger into the battery is a fairly common approach, which Olight also used on their S1 Mini. The battery is a standard 16340 Li-ion; you can use any 16340 rated for about 5A current, and you can charge the USB battery in a standard slot charger. I prefer using a dedicated slot charger like the Xtar VC2S rather than charging built into the light or battery.

Some people do prefer Olight’s magnetic charging, but it uses a proprietary cable and a proprietary battery instead of standard ones.

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zak.wilson wrote:
The Olight S1 series has been around for several years, and the TK16 is new as of this summer. I don’t have accurate sales numbers to say which is more popular.

Building a USB charger into the battery is a fairly common approach, which Olight also used on their S1 Mini. The battery is a standard 16340 Li-ion; you can use any 16340 rated for about 5A current, and you can charge the USB battery in a standard slot charger. I prefer using a dedicated slot charger like the Xtar VC2S rather than charging built into the light or battery.

Some people do prefer Olight’s magnetic charging, but it uses a proprietary cable and a proprietary battery instead of standard ones.

You are right on everything but maybe Olight S1 torch is better than TK16 for travellers because they don’t have to carry with them a battery charger too. I’m making an error?
PS: I don’t understand the precise battery od TK16, maybe is it a normal CR123A? Is it possible to charghe the TK16 battery (IMR16340NP) with a smartphone charger?

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Olight sells a charger that is nearly as small as the Baton chargin cable. Very nice for travelling as it charges everything LiIon and NiMH. Comes with a nice pouch.

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Unheard wrote:
Olight sells a charger that is nearly as small as the Baton chargin cable. Very nice for travelling as it charges everything LiIon and NiMH. Comes with a nice pouch.

Indeed, or the folomov A1 charger.

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Hey, maybe I did’t undertsand anything. But isn’t the Olight S1R Baton II charger included in the package? Do you have to buy it separately? Shocked
Is it possible to charge Olight S1R Baton II battery with a charger working at 110 / 220volts? What precise charger do I have to buy? I will use the torch when I travel around the world.

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wonderful news. But what if I wanted to charge the TK16 battery with a charger working at 110 / 220volts? What precise charger please?

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You have to put the battery charger in a typical usb charger like your phone charger. These convert 230v to the needed 5v.

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