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Here are live stats from John Hopkins. Yesterday was 32,884 with around 400 deaths.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594...

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The influenza we have now is quite different from the influenza we had centuries ago. It has constantly adapted and mutated many times over since then. The point I’m trying to make is that panicking will do us no good. Influenza is still a huge problem and yes it has been around for centuries and we have done very little to minimize it. Our behaviors definitely need to change. A lot of people worry about getting sick but then when we are sick we carry on like we’re not. Exposing others with what ever illness we might have.

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The main post is about coronavirus confirmed in China Post. It is a very unlikely scenario for anybody to pick up the virus in that manner, especially with how long it takes for packages to arrive wherever you may be.You are more likely to acquire an illness buying a flashlight at your local store or shaking hands with your neighbor. Especially if you don’t wash your hands afterwards or take advantage of the disinfecting wipes provided at a lot of stores here in the U.S. at the entrance. They are provided for you to wipe down the shopping cart handles .

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RobertB wrote:
Here are live stats from John Hopkins. Yesterday was 32,884 with around 400 deaths.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594...


I’m seeing over 700 deaths.
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Pete7874 wrote:
RobertB wrote:
Here are live stats from John Hopkins. Yesterday was 32,884 with around 400 deaths.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594...


I’m seeing over 700 deaths.

A bunch must have been reported over night. Another 24 in the last two hours

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Coronavirus Cases:
34,908
of which 6,106
in critical condition
Deaths:
724

as of 6:27am gmt

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good news, see "Trends"-tab, the trend has been slowing down, reaching a plateau:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61

 

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Great news, just when I was about to order a bunch of convoy hosts!

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As far as sterilizing with isopropyl alcohol goes, 70% has been shown to be more effective than 90%. Over 70% alcohol doesn’t absorb into pathogens as well, therefore lowering its effectiveness.

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I am not sure why coronavirus is a rather novelty term to many, as SARS, MERS when they came out they were also coronaviruses, but I guess at that time people were not as big on FB, YT and other platforms to talk about it constantly and spread the info with the virulence that info spreads today.

Ethanol 70% is good against coronaviruses and viruses in general, here is a test where you can see various substances, on a coronavirus HCoV 229E, on Type 3-parainfluenzavirus, etc.

People think it is worthless, but is actually worth it, even if it is just ethanol 70%.

Glutaraldehyde 2% is pretty good too against viruses, but this one is to be expected of course.

Here you can see the full substance list and mixes of substances.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509683/table/viruses-04-03...

Entire study here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509683/

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I’m more worried that it’s going to delay orders. The virus will be well and truly dead by the time any infected parcel arrives.
Even then, it needs perfect conditions for it to survive out of the body for any more than about 24 hours.

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Lightbringer wrote:
If people’d only stay the Hell at home when they’re sick, they wouldn’t take down a dozen others with them.

Quillz wrote:
A lot of people worry about getting sick but then when we are sick we carry on like we’re not. Exposing others with what ever illness we might have.

I do agree with this, but many times people at work (here in Sweden) have just got a common cold, no big deal. And as far as I know, when you are the most likely to infect others with the flu is at the beginning when the symptoms are much like those of a common cold. At least here in Sweden, if everyone stayed at home as soon as they started feeling symptoms of a common cold there would be a whole lot more sick days at work, which means decreased productivity which leads to decreased tax revenue for the government which leads to unhappy politicians. The dozens that go down in the flu would be nothing in comparison… So, get back to work and be the most productive you can be!
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In NL we have each year one or two outbreaks of the (common) flu.
Health officials call it an epidemic when 50 or more people are infected per 100,000 inhabitants. Yesterday it was announced on the news that, though quite a few people are ill, up to this moment there was no flu epidemic at hand. Unlike previous years, early in February.

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Regard delayed shipping etc. I think we should show them some understanding and be patient. China government threatens with DEATH SENTENCE breaking the quarantine! I will wait couple of weeks to see if the orders get shipped by then.

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At last count 34,500 infected with 722 deaths, equals a 2% kill rate. It is spreading at will and is amazingly potent virus.
I am not sure how to prepare for its arrival here in the US. Any suggestions ?

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At last count 34,500 infected with 722 deaths, equals a 2% kill rate. It is spreading at will and is amazingly potent virus. I am not sure how to prepare for its arrival here in the US. Any suggestions ?

wouldnt worry until healthy people start dying outside of China, which so far hasn’t happened. and those that have died have been said to have underlying conditions or lack of medical care.

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I am not sure how to prepare for its arrival here in the US.

It is already here. Twelve confirmed cases updated an hour ago.

One confirmed US citizen Dead, he was living in China.

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Far more likely things to worry about for an American on US soil. ( if worrying is your thing)

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I wonder how many pet and wild species are proving to be viable hosts for this bug.
I’d think since it apparently came from wild animals it will propagate to them, wherever it finds an opportunity.

Ironic that the Korean DMZ, various arsenals and bombing ranges, and the Chernobyl exclusion area have become wildlife sanctuaries.
Maybe if the coronavirus settles in, wildlife will be safer everywhere

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I wonder how many pet and wild species are proving to be viable hosts for this bug.

Thats a really scary thought, lets hope this strain only infects humans

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https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/04/two-scenarios-if-new-coronavirus-isn...

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2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this becomes a fifth endemic human coronavirus,” said Stephen Morse of Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, an epidemiologist and expert on emerging infectious diseases. “We don’t pay much attention to them because they’re so mundane,” especially compared to seasonal flu.

Although little-known outside health care and virology circles, the current four “are already part of the winter-spring seasonal landscape of respiratory disease,” Adalja said. Two of them, OC43 and 229E, were discovered in the 1960s but had circulated in cows and bats, respectively, for centuries. The others, HKU1 and NL63, were discovered after the 2003-2004 SARS outbreak, also after circulating in animals. It’s not known how long they’d existed in people before scientists noticed, but since they jumped from animals to people before the era of virology, it isn’t known whether that initial jump triggered widespread disease.

There’s a 2-week-long “nasty cold” circulating where I live, I’d guess it’s one of the “current four” but don’t know if anyone’s bothering to identify it.

EDIT: probably not: “Well over 200 virus strains are implicated in causing the common cold, with rhinoviruses being the most common….

… The most commonly implicated virus is a rhinovirus (30–80%), a type of picornavirus with 99 known serotypes.2930 Other commonly implicated viruses include human coronavirus (≈ 15%),3132 influenza viruses (10–15%),33 adenoviruses (5%),33 human respiratory syncytial virus, enteroviruses other than rhinoviruses, human parainfluenza viruses, and metapneumovirus.34 Frequently more than one virus is present.35 In total over 200 viral types are associated with colds.3

[11]“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

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Your not to far from where I live, that nasty 2 week cold your talking about is most likely the RSV virus. It’s been spreading where I live, nasty cold symptoms to an adult but affects young children and the elderly a lot worse.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/business/china-coronavirus-doctor-dea...

So Wikipedia says there are a couple hundred different viruses causing the “common cold” — what, me worry?

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Then there’s this sort of thing:

https://www.medicinenet.com/killer_cold_virus_adenovirus_infection_ad14/...

… What is the killer cold virus?
The term “killer cold virus” was applied to a new strain of adenovirus (Adenoviridae) termed adenovirus 14, adenovirus type 14, or Ad14 that appeared in multiple outbreaks worldwide since the 1950s and that has caused severe pneumonia and deaths in several different groups of individuals. People use this term because typical adenoviruses cause symptoms of the common cold, not severe pneumonia or death in most people. Investigations done by state and city health authorities, the U.S. Air Force, and CDC during several outbreaks showed that Ad14 is a rarely reported but emerging serotype of adenovirus that can cause severe and sometimes fatal respiratory disease in anyone, including healthy adults….

And science, ya know, doesn’t know everything yet:

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There are also a lot of viruses that doctors haven’t identified. About 20%-30% of colds in adults are caused by these “unknown” bugs.

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes
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How do you know that’s what’s spreading in Stockton, did someone identify it?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/coronavirus-patients.html

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Published Feb. 7, 2020
Updated Feb. 8, 2020, 7:40 a.m. ET

One patient, admitted to a hospital in Wuhan, China, infected at least 10 health care workers and four other patients with the coronavirus that has sickened more than 34,000 people, killed 700 and reached two dozen other countries.

The case was just one disturbing detail in a new report on 138 patients in Wuhan that helps explain how the illness progresses and how it spreads.

The report, one of two published on Friday by JAMA, is among the most comprehensive articles to date about people infected with the newly identified virus.

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Yes, about 2 1/2 weeks ago my 8 year old granddaughter awoke in the middle of the night crying out in pain and burning up with a fever. We took her to the ER and one of the first things they did was take a nasal swab, no blood tests, no x-rays, just the nasal swab. Within an hour they informed us that she had the RSV virus. I thought it was strange that they knew exactly what test to run.

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The ER doctor also stated that the RSV virus was quite widespread this year.

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CNCman wrote:
I am not sure how to prepare for its arrival here in the US. Any suggestions ?

Like, a party or something?

I’d be like, “Booooo! Go away…”.

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LMAO

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