For the sake of gatekeeping the interest/hobby of flashlights versus that of consumerism, upon philosophy and analysis

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For the sake of gatekeeping the interest/hobby of flashlights versus that of consumerism, upon philosophy and analysis

This has been a troublesome matter to me, one that is hard to explain. I have thought of how some users buy and buy, obsessively. It it their money, it is up to them what to do with it. In this hobby, there are less kinds of these people, all of us bought lights, but also many of us modify our lights, some of us modify our firmware, and we even have some that build their own, sometimes from scratch, even some that make them for the community. Some people simply buy lights, but obsessively so. It is a materialism problem, there is even a support page for those who just buy flashlights. Some people call something a hobby and that is where I ask you what you consider a hobby.

I have argued with audiophiles that call buying progressively more expensive hardware that what they are partaking in is consumerism not a hobby, it is the same if I say I am going to the mall and that is my hobby, or saying I am buying power tools and that is my hobby. I do not think that buying things is a hobby, it is something you do, something that others are not able to do, the more that nobody could do it, the deeper you are into a hobby. I think it is something that is harder than clicking buy, forking cash over, which anyone can do. Bargaining for cheaper goods may be considered a hobby the same way some people clip coupons (maybe some people here are obsessed with the utility of a flashlight and the adrenaline rush of a good deal). Maybe they are obsessed with giving away flashlights as gifts. Maybe someone is feeling like engulfing a whole shelf with objects.

I thought of it seeing how many people get obsessed with flashlights and buy many, I have many of them and was going to buy more, many are gifts, but most are for me and are unused. This concept came up to me, as the word of "bugman". This is a term that has been used to describe audiophiles and people who are obsessed with mechanical keyboards, as well as people who are loyal to a company for the sake of its brand. There's a lot of obsessive materialism, and sometimes I don't blame buyers who buy several of one light due to quality fade in many of the Chinese products. https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/quality-fade-chinas-great-business-challenge/ The idea of manufactured scarcity may also play into fooling us many utilities that I buy I can sympathize with why they're purchased higher than the utility point (such as the constantly looming thread of gun bans).

 
 
 

https://www.meta-nomad.net/bugmen-what-are-they/

 https://hackernoon.com/on-the-infestation-of-small-souled-bugmen-6561ae922e07

https://old.reddit.com/r/ConsumeProduct/comments/dwqey4/what_exactly_do_any_of_you_like/

 Here is a little quote about a bugman if you do want to click the links.

A bugman is your typical big left leaning city dweller. He is usually obsessed with consumerism, lining up to purchase the newest iPhone or MacBook when it comes out, and using a smartwatch/smart home speaker for longer than the week after he bought it. Chances are he owns other throwaway smart gadgets as well. All his tastes in movies, music, expensive food, art, and more are determined by what review sites and blogs say.Everything about his personality and life is not defined by who he is, but by what he buys and his consumerist tendencies. He'll be subscribed to at least one, maybe multiple subscription services, he'll happily use social media and upload all of his information to the cloud, and he'll gravitate towards things that seem "rational" and use big words.In fact, their social media use defines a lot about who they are, as they try to get the most likes on social media bragging about their life and viewing the lives of others who do the same. Yet there is something big missing about their life, something that can be seen in their face. Something that can be seen the minute you strip away all the consumerist choices and realize, there's nothing else. Their lives are empty, hollow, and all about serving corporations, until they die, and this is seen in their empty insectoid stare that implies they're dead inside, giving them the name bugmen. Did you see that bugman standing in line waiting for the new iPhone X?

Upon reading about that concept, I asked myself that question, for me it was the thrill of finding a good deal and it having a lot of utility, Danny Kahneman the author of thinking fast and slow has said that we come to a conclusion and then make the justification after in his studies of psychology. I had an addiction to slickdeals for a while, buying things that I did not need as well. I did was happy that I had modded my flashlights even before reading about this, but it encourages me to try to do more than consume goods, there is a 4chan meme called the coomsumer. 

What are your thoughts of consumerism and hobbies? Perhaps its just effective marketing, I could be wrong, perhaps when I started collecting them, there were many problems that are less common now, maybe at one point flashlights will get so good that modding it will be less common because they will be such great quality. What do you think the definition of a hobby is? If you collect enough flashlights beyond your own defined utility point, why do you think you do so?

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Umm, what was the question again?

Not quite sure what flashlights and “bug-men” and “barcades” have to do with each other. (Seriously, “barcade” is a thing?)

 

Huh… apparently it is. https://www.google.com/search?q=barcade

 

Dunno what others are into, but right now I’m all flashlighted out. I did get a pair of ED20-Ts, which I’m glad I did because they’re quite nice. But the talk of new lights in various threads leaves me cold. Not interested.

When I do like a light, absolutely I want more’n one, in case one crokes and I can’t get a replacement later.

And sometimes a new toy supplants an older toy.

And there’s no such thing as The Light™. Flood, throw, moonlight/firefly, “turbo”, size, UI, CT/tint, etc., no one light does/has it all. So yeah, you need an assortment. Right in front of me, I got 6 lights which do different things. When I need one, I’ll pick the right one for the job. GTmicro for small’n‘throwy. WW E03 w/ diffusion film for going around the house. Old SP10B for firefly (kinda obviated now by the ‘micro after setting moonlight to 1, down from 5 or whatever). ED50 for pocketable bright light, DC7 for not-quite-so-pocketable bright light. ED20-T for the kewl dual-switch.

Ain’t even counting my EDCs or lanterns or headlamps, again, right here in front of me.

Oh, and a coupla AAAs, a Wuben and Ultratac, I think. Alkaleaks inside will probably crap the bed before I get rid of ‘em.

A mechanic doesn’t just “get by” with one adjustable wrench, so why should I “get by” with just one light?

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> I do not think that buying things is a hobby

What about collecting thing? Unless you trade for everything or somehow get it for free, you will likely need to spend money to buy the “things” at some point.

Also Lightbringer is very spot on. There are many things that can differentiate similar products. And sometimes the differences are drastic enough to give each item its own use. To a muggle a flashlight is a flashlight, but when we talk about flashlights we also discuss things like flood, throw, UI, tint, CRI, etc. And this can apply to almost any other type of items. People who are more knowledgeable about the item or category of items, probably discuss aspects of a product that are unknown or overlooked by the layman. Also the minute differences in items may make each one worth keeping rather than simply having the one ultimate item.

And just in case you haven’t seen this video:

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It can become obsessive at times, but for me, I have sold off much of my collection and am now down to just few lights that I really like.  It was fun while it lasted but I really don't like hoarding things and we like to keep our house simple and tidy

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Oh, I will be the first to admit I'm the ultimate material guy. I have the makings of a very fine hoarder in me. If I buy one, another always follows. Pretty bad actually. I did and do love to mod but now excellent production lights outstrip anything I could mod. Plus I've been away and... ahem... am "modernizing the fleet." cry Yup, I'm an addictive personality all right! Doesn't *make* it right.

I finally did find out after a lifetime I have high functioning autism. (Asperger's) We are known for this kind of thing, weird hobbies, hyperfocusing on one thing and not to mention really shitty to nonexistent social skills.

Comments on this? Maybe we've all got it! surprisedyell

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lightbringer, are you saying out of the 6 you mentioned, none of the other ones can be used in the place of another? What specific purposes do you have for each?

anon, collecting depends on the means. If you collect bugs its different from collecting funkopops from the store. One you have to do, the other anyone can do. You bring in factor such as CRI and flood and UI, but realistically, why would you want something with a bad CRI or a bad UI? The function of it, like a thrower vs a flooder is different, but how many lights do you need that are that different from the purpose that having another one is indispensable? This is hypothetical there is no right and wrong answer. How many of them can be used in the place of another?

I only asked myself after losing my prized 18350 219b with custom lens and flashed firmware. I was waiting for the FW3A but it never came. In the meantime I used what I had, and found that a AAA can be a very good replacement for the uses I had for it. I have a thrower as well but I don't use it very often and probably don't need it, will probably give it to one of my friends. The AAA cannot be used in its stead, but I do not need to use it anyway. I used a AAA with l,m,h and it did not throw very far, but it clipped on my hat, had a good CRI and color, I carried extra batteries for when it died, and I replaced it with an AA that had pretty much the same function except it was whiter. I have 18650s that are rarely used (got them for free from reviews) and sadly I lost a few of my treasured lights but I did not replace them because I did not need them although I would love another 18650 headlamp or other kind, I don't think I will buy one for a while until I really think mine are insufficient (since I lost the AA light, maybe I will get tired enough of swapping batteries soon).

 

klrman, have you heard of marie kondo? She was the one that initially inspired me to rethink my purchasing.
 
dorpmuller, I don't think that modding is the same as simply buying, because you are active in doing something that is harder than pressing buy. If you modify them its different because you are actively engaging in something that others don't do. I also have autism so its easy for me to go into extremes. But at one point when you are messing with your lights, will you think that the material goods don't really make you happy? If they do, continue and be happy. I lost my favorite light and changed because I realized I did not need it. It is nice to have but it becomes a burden at one time. I bought lights such as the UV nichia and even put in the black glass to it, but I gave it away to a friend that works on cars, and some of my 18650s I gave away because they didn't even have one while I had many, and having more than one flashlight is like having more than one cell phone to me. I use one to play music, one to read on and one as my phone, But if I had to only have my regular phone, I would lose out on some benefits but mostly it would be intact, I would still be able to use it to read and listen to music, just not as much as I liked on the other ones.
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I think more pass-arounds would cut back on a lot of buying.

One thing I see connecting flashlights and audio is the difficulty of trying at home. So many lights look great on paper.. and that’s not getting into the crappy lights with falsely advertised specs.

I think a lot of EDC stuff is hobbyism too. Some other flashlight stuff is technical & toys (like mega throwers).

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As a definition, a hobby is an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation.

Now unless the activity or interest pursued is naturally available or free for the taking, I reckon some kind of money is going to change hands. I also imagine that collecting, regardless of what it is, is a hobby as well. Again, money will probably change hands unless your hobby is being a thief. But maybe thievery would be a main occupation which would take it out of the hobby category. I don’t know, never tried it.

A hobby doesn’t have to be something we do as a means to an end. It’s just something someone enjoys doing. Obsessively collecting lights, in my opinion, is just a step taken along the way. I was guilty of it. Buying every light I could. Don’t have many of them left but, it was fun trying out all the different features of decent lights. Maybe I have gotten picky. Now I buy lights that I know I don’t have to do any work on. I have modded many lights to my liking. I don’t go out and buy the latest and greatest unless it’s already how I like it. Needless to say I don’t buy many lights anymore, focusing on using the ones I already have. I think I have bought maybe 4 or 5 lights in the last 3 or 4 months.

I guess I have a choice of buying lights or making my own lights. Making my own would require expensive equipment and a steep learning curve to master. As it is now, each time everyone of us buys a light we keep the circle of money moving. From the company hosting the sellers to web site, to the seller him or herself, electricity, transportation, delivery, etc…..all making money and thriving off of someone, somewhere, buying something. If everyone could make everything they ever needed there would be no need for anyone.

Buying things keeps billions employed. Taking care of their families and trying to live a good life. Just think of all the different people that are employed and provide a service so we can all post our opinions on BLF. Look at ham radio. A hobby that keeps entire companies thriving and employing many.

I assume the world of capitalism would continue without people spending money on hobbies. How much fun would that be? Only buying necessities. We only have so long on this planet. We take life as it’s given to us and hopefully leave it a better place. I stick to the little things and let those smarter than me figure out the rest. Still, I will be dead before them or I ever figure it out.

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No new flashlights in the pipeline, but many projects to modify them, which is not much different, considering I’ve bought or ordered quite some stuff like LEDs, solder and thermal paste, tools etc. Next step would be driver modification; already programmed AVRs, build constant current circuits etc. Tired

I guess quitting this hobby means leaving BLF and TLF, as both platforms give too much momentum towards collecting. But then I’m really an addict. It was pocket calculators before. Highly interesting stuff, but it all takes too much time and makes no sense really.

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When I’m depressed, I buy something online so that, in a few days, I’ll be happy again.




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Not really. But it sure does seem to be how a lot of people behave, across all sorts of different hobbies. It’s kind of a defining trait of capitalist consumerism.

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I think it is usually about rewarding yourself with little reasonable priced things, and that involves several things – also it’s safe to say in any sort of ‘excessive’ hobby (that’s most of us on here) there’s a high chance we all have autism or some very mild disorder, to some degree or another (it can literally be barely noticeable in regular life or the polar opposite, in fact we are all autistic, it’s just ‘how’ autistic on a scale you are).
Browsing / buying / researching – we enjoy it usually, this can take a good deal of time….. Facepalm
Waiting for it to drop through the letterbox – we both love it and hate it Evil Big Smile
Getting it ‘in hand’ – short-lived joy, maybe a a day, maybe a week – rarely longer (FW3a is an exception) Crown
Back to the first step. Crying

Also it is a fact that poorer people replace the things wealthy take for granted like several holidays a year, new cars,expensive watches, expensive toys – with little things, like flashlights etc on a budget they can afford.
We all reward ourselves, it’s just relative to income.

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Lick wrote:

anon, collecting depends on the means. If you collect bugs its different from collecting funkopops from the store. One you have to do, the other anyone can do. You bring in factor such as CRI and flood and UI, but realistically, why would you want something with a bad CRI or a bad UI? The function of it, like a thrower vs a flooder is different, but how many lights do you need that are that different from the purpose that having another one is indispensable?


I don’t think flashlight enthusiasts would purposely want low CRI but sometimes people prefer better tint, more lumens, or they want a thrower which are typically not high CRI. Also UIs can be different without being bad. I love Andruil and wish every flashlight had it but there are still many lights with spaced modes and decent UIs that I would not mind using. Also there flashlights that use magnetic rings/rotaries.

If I stopped buying lights after having one sufficient one then I would have stopped after my first one. And actually I did. I only got into flashlights once I decided to buy a second. I don’t have a large collection of flashlights by any means but it is definitely more than I need. If I were to only buy the bare minimum then I might as well quit this hobby. I got into flashlights because I find them interesting and they have a practical purposes. I do try to be intentional about the lights that I purchase but I’m also not trying to avoid consumerism at all costs either.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
When I’m depressed, I buy something online so that, in a few days, I’ll be happy again.

+1

Most of my collection has been bought since a car accident 6 years ago, which left me in chronic pain. So I’ve been depressed a lot. Many get used walking dogs and feeding the horses at night. Only my Astrolux MF04 hasn’t been out of the house yet.

I also like tinkering with things and flashlights are relatively simple, bulb, battery and switch. So swapping drivers, LEDs, reflectors or lenses are easy and gives me something to do. It can help take my mind off the pain.

I’d never buy anything because it’s the latest and greatest thing, hence the MF04 and not a GT Wink

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So happy to see you post this thread and open up the discussion, especially on BUDGET light forum.

We are destroying our planet, and mass consumerism, industrialization, fast fashion and mass consumption is a huge part of that equation that leads to horrible diets, malnutrition, deforestation, pollution, and global warming.

My general issue with material goods in the present time is that quality is decreased in order to make a product cheaper and more affordable. This means that low quality products that will simply not last as long and fail, are being sold in much higher quantities. A 15$ shirt from H&M will look like crap after a few washes, meanwhile a $70 Lululemon shirt is perceived as expensive and even overpriced, but outlasts and feels like new after every wash, ultimately reducing the environmental footprint and long term cost of the item.

Personally, I follow 2 rules to help reduce my environmental impact and still feed my material desires.
1) I avoid buying cheap products where planned obsolescence or lack of quality will put the product into the landfill.
2) I try to keep the number of lights I own down to a minimum, and to justify a new purchase, I sell a light that I seldom use.

I’d rather own 1 good $100 light, instead of 5 cheap $20 lights.
The ongoing challenge that we see with flashlights, computers, cell phones and tech in general, is that technology is always advancing, so we have this constant need to upgrade our existing material goods to the newer and better product. I try get around this by modifying my flashlights instead of upgrading. Or holding onto my cell phone for atleast 4-5 years before upgrading.

The last point I want to address is the lumen war. Lights are getting brighter and brighter, but these super high turbo’s are not sustainable, and the technology being used in 1000 Lumen lights from 2 years ago is almost identical to those being used in the same 4000 Lumen pocket rockets today. I try not to fall into this marketing push for lumens because I know that a compact EDC light can’t sustain much more than 500 constant lumens anyways. So if the “Turbo” is 1000 lumens, or 9000 Lumens, yeah, its cool for 30 seconds, but doesn’t really add much value if the light overheats almost instantly.

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Lick wrote:
lightbringer, are you saying out of the 6 you mentioned, none of the other ones can be used in the place of another? What specific purposes do you have for each?

A candle can be used in place of a flooder if you’re desperate enough. And you can dig a ditch with a soup ladle if so pressed, too. Doesn’t mean they’re the best tools for the job, though.

I already mentioned what I generally use them for, and it’s nice being able to have that selection right there vs vainly trying to use a flooder to light up something fairly far away, etc. Going down the basement for something, I could use my ‘micro instead of my E03 with diffusion-film, but it’d be nigh useless for lighting up the entire area in front of me unless I cranked it up and used ceiling-bounce instead.

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Hmm. Not sure I got an actual question out of that. Maybe just taking a general consensus of how we reflect on our own potentially expensive and time consuming hobbies while taking into account how consumer culture can fan the flame.

I collected comics and cards as a kid, then nothing for many years, and now have modest piles of camping equipment/survival knives/flashlights etc.

Most of these things make me happy. I like to use the stuff, talk to friends about it, and be able to lend or give people good quality stuff.

However, I recognize I would probably be happier and wealthier if I just stopped. Not because the items are too expensive, but my time and space in my apartment is to expensive. Less clutter, more time concentrating on work and relationships. Not that those things are going poorly, but I could do better, and still keep a couple nice items.

So far I just haven’t done it and it’s become a form of procrastination. Maybe will revisit this topic later.

Good luck,

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toddcshoe wrote:
Now I buy lights that I know I don’t have to do any work on.

Same here.

Back in the day, lights generally sucked. Unavoidable blinkies in the main cycle, hateful Angry Blue™ emitters, you name it. You’d buy a complete ’501 or ’502 only for use as a host, not as a complete light, because the innards sucked so bad, but everything else was pretty decent (body, pill, reflector, switch).

(But even then, whole lights started getting crappier and crappier, so that no longer applied anymore.)

Now? You got some kick-ass lights right off the rack, with good UIs, good emitters, and so on, and can pick’n‘choose what you want. No doubt BLF was a big push in that direction, as well as mfrs like Sofirn and Convoy who listened and raised the bar.

While I know I still can mod a light, it’s quite nice and refreshing to not have to.

I can’t and won’t waste my time on picking up a garbage light to try to “fix it up”.

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ToyKeeper wrote:

When I’m depressed, I buy something online so that, in a few days, I’ll be happy again.



aka “Retail Therapy”.

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Now you got it!! I love Anduril BTW... best thing that ever happened to lights.

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Quote snip: "...Some people simply buy lights, but obsessively so. It is a materialism problem, ..."

I like to collect lights. They are not free, so I have to buy them So, I simply buy lights.So, people who like to collect lights, but have to buy them, have a materialism problem?

What if people collect lights, but have to buy them, and it is not a "materialism problem"?

Please see: http://budgetlightforum.com/comment/1605484#comment-1605484

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As far as hobbies go, flashlights are usually somewhat low on the scale for overall expense and impact. They’re typically pretty small, not expensive (unless you get into custom premiums), and last a long time. It still ties into the problem of consumerism and waste, but many other hobbies are a lot worse.

Of course, some are also a lot better… lower cost per hour and less effect on the planet. Knitting, for example. Or reading. Gardening. Writing.

So there are definitely some points to be made about the larger problems involved, but this particular hobby doesn’t really stand out in the big picture.

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For the sake of gatekeeping the interest/hobby of flashlights versus that of consumerism, upon philosophy and analysis…

My you have a purty mouth. I wish I could put my brain in gear like that again. This has got to be one of the most intelligent, intellectual topics to ever surface here. The respondents are all of equal intelligence, and BRAVERY, stating their difficulties and overcoming them. I don’t believe them for one second that they suffer from their stated , for a lack of a better word, handicaps. The respondents are eloquent and thoughtful. After working in an environment of challenged people for over 30 years, I can’t see why those people couldn’t overcome the same way those of you have. Maybe the key is flashlights.

I’ve been a little ocd/adhd since getting shot in the head. I had different collections since the injury but it seems I would phase one out to make room for the next. I’d keep the collection in one spot to avoid losing pieces. And the house is fairly empty so there’s no hoarding component. I’m probably a little maniacally depressed since I love the reward of getting that package in the mail then I sink into a funk when I realize I didn’t pay the bills first. Then I buy something to make me happy again, and the cycle starts again.

Thanks to everyone here. It helped understanding what’s going on in my head

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Lightbringer wrote:
Umm, what was the question again?

And sometimes a new toy supplants an older toy.

And there’s no such thing as The Light™. Flood, throw, moonlight/firefly, “turbo”, size, UI, CT/tint, etc., no one light does/has it all. So yeah, you need an assortment. Right in front of me, I got 6 lights which do different things. When I need one, I’ll pick the right one for the job. GTmicro for small’n‘throwy. WW E03 w/ diffusion film for going around the house. Old SP10B for firefly (kinda obviated now by the ‘micro after setting moonlight to 1, down from 5 or whatever). ED50 for pocketable bright light, DC7 for not-quite-so-pocketable bright light. ED20-T for the kewl dual-switch.

Ain’t even counting my EDCs or lanterns or headlamps, again, right here in front of me.

Oh, and a coupla AAAs, a Wuben and Ultratac, I think. Alkaleaks inside will probably crap the bed before I get rid of ‘em.

A mechanic doesn’t just “get by” with one adjustable wrench, so why should I “get by” with just one light?

This.
I had to explain to my ex-wife why I needed a few more lights and why they were good for this and that.

Then the lights went out and she suddenly never questioned why, but if I needed another one and did it do something that the others did not. When she left she took 3 lights with her. I am sure I got the better end of that deal. Big Smile

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ToyKeeper wrote:
As far as hobbies go, flashlights are usually somewhat low on the scale for overall expense and impact.

this particular hobby doesn’t really stand out in the big picture.

I have to agree that flash lights is rather low on the over all price scale of hobbies. Take a look at Photography, Cars, Firearms, Watches, those are some spendy hobbies/collectors things. Each one starts out as just a little from the wallet, after a while some of you could retire off what is spent on these hobbies. Now Excuse me I need to go start up the 63 Corvette 327 split window and and get some pictures of it in a snowy pass with a bear in the background before 2:30 PM because of the sun location.

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Spend your money on things money can buy. Spend your time on things money cannot buy.

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I’ve been a little ocd/adhd since getting shot in the head.

Wow is all I really have to say. I can’t possibly imagine how that would change a person. Physically and mentally. I think that would be a challenge. Not to lessen to any degree the seriousness of a traumatic incident like that, I have always thought that people who compulsively collect may have had not so good things happen in their life. Collecting something to occupy ones time and energy could be therapeutic possibly??

I had something change my life as well. I had lights and gadgets before but never to an extreme. Items were bought out of necessity and not for pleasure. I have learned to pace myself but, it isn’t easy.

Thank you for sharing a little of your story.

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nuemtol that is possible. I think it would be a great program to have flashlight meetups, but it would also need environments to use them in, perhaps an ikea or a home depot in the US would be helpful. The overexposed pictures from China don't help either. 
 
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G0OSE that was the time before marketing took over to convince people to buy things they did not need, and to market it. your life does not have to have material goods to be rich, which is my point. I made this topic because I did not think that buying many flashlights made people happy. It may help them feel better temporarily but it doesn't seem to make anyone happier in the long term. If you are interested in this topic, I really suggest you check out this exquisite documentary, and you too TK. https://invidiou.sh/watch?v=Yd1tx8v-wHs
 
ecotack do you want to go beyond flashlights? maybe your interest is in lighting in general, electronics, or retrofiiting. does it stop at flashlights?
 
richbuff I agree that collecting is not always materialistic, in the original post I made the point that collecting is different from clicking buy or forking over money. It is more than buying, consumerism is to obsessively purchase beyond the satisfaction of utility. How often do you use them? To make a point, do you consider this consumerism? https://i.redd.it/1t4843firz741.jpg  
 
nydude that was my point, I hope to implant the idea that buying less may make you happier. at your leisure. Smile
Unheard I think a hobby is something you do, that may involve purchases but has a reason for being. I can see the appeal of making your own mechanical keyboard for instance, but imagine the difference between having one and 14 mechanical keyboards. I wish they included flashlights, massdrop now has flashlights as well now, no guns though. Heres some examples of consumption for consumption, but also the change in american culture. https://i.redd.it/hylkcxc0dlx31.jpg https://i.redd.it/u63694qq7js01.jpg https://i.redd.it/dx0yacazu1941.jpg ironically he has buddha with his collection of mechanical keyboards. https://i.redd.it/1t4843firz741.jpg
 
Pavlo I believer hemp clothing will help that. I am glad you like the topic! It is also notable that flashlights occupy a strange part where they are usually not disposable, frail and can be used for a long time. I think that even people who are like you may fall into buying flashlights. The most important thing for me was when I had lost my favorite light and then realized that it was really nice but the crappier AAA light did most of the stuff I needed the nicer one for. 
 
aginthelaw Thank you, I feel like I was rambling too much, it brings me joy to see that my topic is drawing the right kind of attention. I am sorry to hear about that problem. Have you looked into tDCS or maybe a TENS device for the brain? I use a cheap TENS on my left vagus nerve, I heard it is helpful. For my ADHD, I found that drinking kombucha helps more than adderall or any sort of medication, it is the brain gut connection for me. Do you want to fix it or would you rather keep it to flashlights? I sometimes buy cheap stuff on ebay I forget about, then get them, they're $1 things like a phone case and I just got some stickers for my keyboard for a different layout, I need these things somewhat, moreso than a flashlight, they will have a purpose. Do you think you can buy things that are helpful to you but also long enough to make you forget about them? The last thing I got in the mail were earrings and power tools which I use all the time. Do you think there may be other things that you might need? With flashlights its strange because you usually want to get them new. TK makes special firmware for our community and buying them at a garage sale would give inferior lights,
 
TK, I thank you greatly for your work. I agree that flashlights are less disposable than many goods, but I noticed a pattern of buying them beyond the point of utility. That is not for me to decide, that is for everyone to decide on their own. What I mean is not the impact on the environment but also the impact it has on us as people to solve things by buying things. If you do not think it is a problem, it is not a problem to you. But for me and I think many others it is the recognition of its inability to make us happy, temporarily it may give you the "new feeling". I realized this with more than one aspect of my life, I would pirate video games and try every one of them and never commit, be a serial dater, buy multiple phones in a year or less constantly and it was a source of never being content. Something like having multiple plants is different though because you have to care for all of them, and they are all something you "do" whereas many flashlights you just buy. I also regard you as an exception because so many of us rely on you for firmware or your participation in our addiction, I mean interest hehe. I may be wrong about this but you have been the nexus of many BLF projects or mainly the ones I was interested in. Thank you so much. How many people would have made free firmware modes and helped design all these flashlights? You've also worked very hard on many things which I think changed the flashlight industry. I would say a lot of the stuff I say applies to you the least because you did all this stuff for free, without asking for pretty much anything aside from crediting your work or posting the firmware from the sales sites. This is a hobby for you most of all isn't it? This is a question for you most of all, but what do you think the flashlights are lacking in most of all right now? You solved many of the most importing things, I don't know if it was because of you that moonlight, ramping, different mode groupings, no blinkies, and generally sane modes are around as much, but you certainly popularized them for cheaper lights. What do you think firmwares or flashlights are lacking in now?
 
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The question is : What is the alternative of a ‘‘bugman’‘? And what should humans do? A return to a more ‘‘traditional’‘ lifestyle? The past was clearly worst in almost every-way. The world in the last 50 years has changed more than all of human history, thanks to all the divine power of technology. We literally have more powers than ancient gods.

Bugmen are despicable because they worship companies like gods but without a more meaningful and elaborate story, without a clear goal and universal project for the future. Only infinite direct animal pleasure. This will change when there will be a political project in the near future. And I think trans-humanism is the way.

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Lick wrote:
I made this topic because I did not think that buying many flashlights made people happy. It may help them feel better temporarily but it doesn’t seem to make anyone happier in the long term.

Hence the joke earlier. Wink

Dark humor for a light forum:

Quote:
When I’m depressed, I buy something online so that, in a few days, I’ll be happy again.

The reader’s intended response goes something like this…

Lick wrote:
I may be wrong about this but you have been the nexus of many BLF projects or mainly the ones I was interested in. Thank you so much. … changed the flashlight industry. … You solved many of the most importing things, I don’t know if it was because of you that moonlight, ramping, different mode groupings, no blinkies, and generally sane modes are around as much, but you certainly popularized them for cheaper lights.

As much as I’d like to take credit, I really can’t. That boat has been sailing since before I got onboard, and it’ll keep going after I’m gone. I’m just one of the people who has helped steer it and keep the engines running.

Lick wrote:
This is a hobby for you most of all isn’t it?

Mostly, yes. I just have a hard time not fixing things when they’re broken. It’s a bad habit. So I’m probably best regarded as a cautionary tale. Like… Be careful kids, about how deep you dive into your hobbies — or you, too, could turn your leisure activities into responsibilities! Silly

Writing an embedded microkernel was never my plan. I mostly just like shiny things and chatting with people. But here I am, debugging ADC interrupt code and rewriting thermal regulation algorithms for the nth time, trying to figure out WTF broke and how to fix it in 58 bytes or less. There are more enjoyable ways to spend a night off.

Lick wrote:
what do you think the flashlights are lacking in most of all right now?

TBH, I’m pretty happy with what I’ve got. I haven’t bought a light in … a long time. There are always things to be improved, of course… but with most of the easy stuff already done, the rest is subject to diminishing returns.

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There is a small line between hobby and obsession.
I promise myself buy only if I really need.

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