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Emisar is the highest quality brand available.

I am sure I started the same way you did, as a child fascinated by the first flashlight you got your hands on. I started with an ever ready cheap junk drawer flashlight my parents had and then got the best thing any store around would sell. Krypton bulbs, “million candle power” spotlights. Then LEDs came around. It took me until I purchased a Rayovac 180 lumen sportsman to realize that LEDs were really the wave of the future. Then the internet came around and it was all about finding the best and brightest flashlight online. I went through almost every model of all the top brands. Fenix, nitecore, acebeam, olight, thrunite, and every other model you can think of. Flash forward after thousands upon thousands of dollars and I find emisar at a fraction of the cost of any of the aforementioned but with at LEAST twice the quality of anything I have ever seen. I am so blown away that I am speechless. I have a d18 osram on the way and I can’t wait. The ingenuity, craftsmanship and attention to detail are second to none when it comes to emisar. Kudos to Hank. He really understands flashaholics and he is a man’s man. I thank him for the service he provides for flashlight junkies like us. Rock on Hank.

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I’ve communicated with a number of people who own Emisar flashlights as well as others, and they all think the brand is excellent. I didn’t get the impression that they leave all other brands behind… Emisar is a fairly niche flashlight producer, so they don’t cover all the bases.

What are the specific qualities and aspects you’ve experienced with Emisar that you feel put it above all the other brands? You didn’t list Zebralight or Surefire. Those brands build terrific quality. Zebralight is very conservative and is slow to adopt new emitters, basic design doesn’t change much, and rather proprietary UI. Surefire is just stupid expensive, but the host quality is always absolutely 1st rate. I just wish they were easier to modify.

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I liked the quality bar none. The knurling was top notch as was the anodizing. Even the case looked like it was made by the same people who make nitecores but was higher quality and I couldn’t find a single loose stitch. Also the thickness to disapate heat, the all copper on the back and the barryllium springs. Double gasketed anti reflective lense and the groove cut out in 6heqd of the flashlight to make room for the wires so he could cram all of those leds into that tiny little powerhouse. I used to have some surefire and I agree with a p60 drop in modding is a breeze but I feel that along with the high cost their technological capabilities have fallen by the wayside. I forgot about zebra lights though. I really have nothing bad to say about them.

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Idk, Emisar to me is basically Acebeam/Fenix quality in terms of host machining. I think Acebeam’s chunky threads are better though.

In terms of drivers its a much more complicated opinion. Obviously Hank has hot rod 1x + x + FET Anduril drivers, but the efficiency still isnt great when compared to ZL/AceBeam/Fenix. This includes the 12v boost driver on the Noct K1 XHP35 HI. None of the Emisar drivers are potted either.

Hank builds some fantastic enthusiast lights, but I wouldnt count on them taking a beating like a potted light (ZL/AceBeam/Fenix).

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I can agree with that. I own multiple lights from those brands and I agree that the drivers in emisar lights are somewhat simple but the price point is so astronomically skewed that I just find emisar a better buy in my opinion. But don’t get me wrong, I totally understand why other people would like other brands better. It’s all just in what the person buying the light feels. I was just really shocked at the build quality of the d18 compared to my tm26 and tm26gt that I purchased brand new for 400 dollars when the d18 was 90. And the emisar had a slight edge on build quality over the nitecores. Appreciate your feedback and respect your opinion. Thanks for the reply.

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I like my Emisar D4V2 a lot. Finish is amazing. Driver is glued, but I don’t think that’s a dealbreaker. Too bad clip is just, well, clipped on. It is still very good. And let’s not forget it’s a budget light.

Soon (hopefully) it will be accompanied by a Noctigon KR1. Not only do I like the quality, but also Hanks designs. He’s a flashlight artisan.

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That’s what I noticed. If you break down the d18 you can just see all of the thoughts and ingenuity that oozes out of it. How he managed to pack everything in so beautifully into such a tiny package and the attention to detail blew my mind. You can tell this guy is definitely a certified flashaholic. Everything is put together so clean too. The soldering is amazing IMHO.

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Definitely well thought out lights with zero jank.

There’s a reason I’ve collected so many already.

I only recently discovered the joy of flashaholism, and I already have 4 D4V2 Ti in various flavors, a D18, a D4SV2 and a KR1.

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Nice!

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Onthebrightside wrote:
I can agree with that. I own multiple lights from those brands and I agree that the drivers in emisar lights are somewhat simple but the price point is so astronomically skewed that I just find emisar a better buy in my opinion. But don’t get me wrong, I totally understand why other people would like other brands better. It’s all just in what the person buying the light feels. I was just really shocked at the build quality of the d18 compared to my tm26 and tm26gt that I purchased brand new for 400 dollars when the d18 was 90. And the emisar had a slight edge on build quality over the nitecores. Appreciate your feedback and respect your opinion. Thanks for the reply.
There is definitely some good value coming through on these smaller flashlight companies. Emisar / Noctigon is charging more than their direct competition, but for good reason. Then relative to the other much bigger makers, I agree Emisar quality gives them a run for the money. Sometimes there are models that stand out as better quality, not necessarily tied to price. Regarding Nitecore, I was pleased with the EA4 (1st edition) but wasn’t happy with the control button. They switched it out for a 2 button system that works very well, something they used on the EC4GT. Now that light is superb. Super seriously solid build. Rugged 2×18650 construction. It had so much potential, but… they kind of squandered it. The EC4GTS came with XHP35, but actually less throw. Then the EC4S totally dropped the ball, various problems, lower throw, more of a broad spill. Looks like they’re going to discontinue that form factor, which is a shame because I think it has a lot of potential. I could see a slightly larger version using 2×21700.

I’d really like to see Zebralight step up and release a version like that. Still single emitter. And who knows, in another year or so, perhaps they’ll further enhance their UI, a kind of “Anduril lite.” I’m very curious to see what Emisar comes up with down the road as well.

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perhaps they’ll further enhance their UI, a kind of “Anduril lite.” I’m very curious to see what Emisar comes up with down the road as well.

With more general audiences finding Anduril-based lights lately, I’ve been thinking I should completely rewrite muggle mode and have it enabled by default. This would provide a simple and safe interface out of the box, with the ability to turn it off later to access more features.

Specifically, instead of being a separate mode, the muggle / simple UI would be more like an overlay which turns off any config options or extra modes… and makes the dangerously-bright levels unavailable. It would mostly just behave like a “normal” flashlight. But there would still be an option to take the restrictions off and enable the full feature set, for people who want the extras.

While changing that, it could also be a good time to do some other changes which break backward compatibility. Like… making config modes a bit harder to access so it won’t happen by accident.

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I would suggest to have to separate versions so many of us do not have to relearn Anduril. I’ve been buying many Andúril-based lights of late because of its extra modes.

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Specifically, instead of being a separate mode, the muggle / simple UI would be more like an overlay which turns off any config options or extra modes… and makes the dangerously-bright levels unavailable.

How would that difference translate in real life? I am not quite sure I understand your proposition.
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How would that difference translate in real life? I am not quite sure I understand your proposition.

I’m not sure about the details yet. However, the rough idea is:

  • The “muggle” mode would be default, and would get enabled again after each factory reset.
  • Instead of “muggle” mode, it would probably just be more of a “simple” mode or “Anduril lite”. So, it would be nicer than the current muggle mode.
  • Config modes and other extras would be off-limits in simple mode, so people wouldn’t be able to get stuck in weird modes or change any settings by accident.

Not sure yet what would be allowed in simple mode and what wouldn’t. I might start a thread or something to ask people what they think should be included. So far, I’m guessing at least the smooth ramp from low to medium, and the battery check mode. Maybe also lockout mode. Just like now, the ceiling level would vary per light depending on what each model can do safely.

Probably no strobes, no other blinky-group modes, no turbo, no stepped ramp, no momentary mode, no config modes, no manual memory, and maybe no moon (except perhaps as hold-from-off?).

To remove the limitations, the user would need to press something they almost certainly won’t do by accident, like 6H or 8H or 10H.

In visual form, simple mode might look something like this…

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I’ve been thinking I should completely rewrite muggle mode and have it enabled by default.

You’re thinking that muggles are going to buy a dangerous light. For their safety muggle mode should be enabled by default.

But I’m not sure you’ve quite thought through all the ramifications. Consider the following:

I. What happens if muggle mode is enabled by default?
If you enable muggle mode by default there are going to be a LOT of very disgruntled muggles who buy Anduril lights, don’t read the fine print in the manual, and then are incredibly disappointed that the light that they just bought that was advertised as “5,000 lumens” only appears to output 300 lumens. They’ll think the light is defective and promptly seek a refund, or flood the seller and manufacturer with complaints about selling a defective or inferior product. They may even accuse the seller of false advertising.

II. What about a warning in the box to inform customers about muggle mode?
To avoid that kind of customer disappointment, any manufacturer selling a light with muggle mode activated by default would need to include a very prominent warning placard at the top of the box explaining that the light ships in muggle mode, what muggle mode is, and how to get out of it.

… and of course upon seeing that any muggle would promptly then follow the instructions and exit muggle mode, which defeats the purpose of enabling it by default.

Muggles would also be a bit disgruntled by the extra hoop they had to jump through to get their new light working properly.

III. Perhaps the manufacturer should only advertise muggle-mode ratings?
This won’t work either.

If only muggle mode ratings are advertised the theory is most muggles won’t find out about non-muggle mode. Only enthusiasts who can handle the power will learn about it and safety is preserved. Would this strategy work? … not really.

The reason: lumens sell. A flashlight retailer is not going to market a 5000 lumen light as a “300 lumen” light. Such a light isn’t going to sell when there are so many other competing lights in similar size in the 1000+ lumen range. No muggle is going to look twice at such a “weak” light.

Of course informed flasholics on this forum would know about non-muggle mode and might still buy the light. But marketing a light to just members of this forum is a vanishingly tiny market. Most most manufacturers want to sell lights to more than just members of BLF.

BOTTOM LINE: MUGGLE MODE BY DEFAULT = NO-WIN STRATEGY. Tired

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Maybe leaving Andúril untouched (except bugfixes/ports) and giving the rewritten code a new name would be a good idea?

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ToyKeeper wrote:

While changing that, it could also be a good time to do some other changes which break backward compatibility. Like… making config modes a bit harder to access so it won’t happen by accident.

TK – I think you have a point here – I do find myself in Ramp config sometimes with 4 clicks done mistakenly.

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You’re thinking that muggles are going to buy a dangerous light.

It’s less of a theory and more of an observation. Muggles are buying dangerous lights, more and more often, so I’m looking for ways to address the complaints people have had.

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most manufacturers want to sell lights to more than just members of BLF.

Exactly. It’s happening quite a bit lately, so there has been a big increase in demand for “Anduril LITE” or other simplifications. I don’t want to ship items without the ability to do all the fun stuff though, so I’m looking for a way to do both.

It seems like the options are limited to only the following:

  • Make a simple UI the only option.
  • Manufacturer replaces the firmware with their own simple UI.
  • Default to a simple UI, but include an option to enable more stuff if the user wants it.
  • Limit sales to only a few enthusiast communities.

The first two have already happened a few times… because option 3 doesn’t exist and companies don’t like option 4 at all.

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For their safety muggle mode should be enabled by default.

It’s not just safety though. People keep reporting that they feel overwhelmed and confused by all the features, and they want something which does less. Some are quite vocal about it, or even angry. So a few companies have already responded to this by making less-functional products, on purpose, to fill the demand.

Of course, at BLF we generally don’t want lights to do less. But maybe it’ll serve both crowds if it does less by default, but has an option so we can easily enable the full feature set.

There’s still a lot of communication to do first though, to make sure everyone’s needs are addressed and try to find agreeable solutions.

One thing I’m pretty sure of though… is that it’ll need to be renamed so it’s not called “muggle mode”. That’s arguably a bit insulting and makes it sound like something people should turn off immediately and never think about again. Instead, it might need to be something like “normal mode” and “advanced mode”. Or something which otherwise suggests that it’s okay to leave it in the default state if the user isn’t feeling adventurous.

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Maybe leaving Andúril untouched (except bugfixes/ports) and giving the rewritten code a new name would be a good idea?

Yeah, it could perhaps be Anduril2 or something. I don’t know; I’m terrible with names.

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Maybe have some sort of ‘safety pin’ which isn’t supplied with retail lights, but could be sold as an extra on places like Neals, which is slightly more niche or on forums for enthusiasts.
When the ‘pin’ is in it opens up ‘allsingingalldancingpaperlightingballoonburstingmayhem’ Evil Silly
Joking aside, it’s not the worst idea. Obviously you can’t stop a muggle if they really want one, but at least you tried.
Could be as simple as a small unique earphone jack in the tailcap? I dunno lol! I know lasers have basic pins of sorts.

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It’s less of a theory and more of an observation. Muggles are buying dangerous lights, more and more often, so I’m looking for ways to address the complaints people have had.

That’s an inherent problem when selling a hand-grenade to The Muggle.

It’s all fun’n‘games ‘til someone burns a hole in his coffee table or sets his kid’s pyjamas on fire.

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Instead, it might need to be something like “normal mode” and “advanced mode”. Or something which otherwise suggests that it’s okay to leave it in the default state if the user isn’t feeling adventurous.

“Special” mode. LOL

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Yeah, it could perhaps be Anduril2 or something.

Something that doesn’t autocorrect to “Andouille”?

It defiantly should be changed. (Ha! See what I did there?)

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ToyKeeper, What happened with Programming a flashlight from a computer screen Question

Is programing the light via an app on the phone to feasible?

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ToyKeeper, What happened with Programming a flashlight from a computer screen

Is programing the light via an app on the phone to feasible?

Using the LEDs as light sensors only works when the driver is wired up correctly, so it doesn’t work on most Anduril lights. Only the FW3A driver has the right connections inside.

There are also other limitations…

  • Data transfer is 1-way only, so if it fails in the middle of a transfer there isn’t a way to retry the failed part.
  • Data transfer is slow — roughly 1 byte per second. So flashing the firmware would take hours.
  • The data buffer is small… only a few hundred bytes. So it can’t verify the transfer worked before flashing the firmware.
  • For safety reasons, it would need a special bootloader for optical flashing purposes. This doesn’t exist yet, and would reduce the available space for the rest of the firmware.

So it’s not very practical for firmware flashing purposes. It could still be used for sending config data, so the user would configure settings in a web app. However, I don’t want that to be mandatory, and the code needs to support a bunch of devices without optical sensors, so it would still need a way to configure things with button presses.

Long story short, it’s neat but very limited.

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Unbelievably, I still don’t own an Emisar, and it is something i really need to fix.
TK is just thinking out loud right now, and I’m sure there will be an opportunity for suggestions before a simpler UI, or whatever, will be launched. I agree that it would be great if there was a way to get some of these great new lights into the hands of “muggles”. I would love to gift some, but certainly can’t unless they are simpler/safer. I think we would have to have on board charging, a simple on/off with ramping, no party modes, and a strict brightness limit to where the light wouldn’t overheat, and step down as necessary. It would have to be configured accurately this way, out of the box, and it would have to stay this way, regardless of errant button pushes. A lot of us wouldn’t like it, a lot people outside the forum would think it was fantastic. Making everyone happy is probably impossible.

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Just a few random thoughts run through the blender…

To be honest/blunt, I’m not quite sure what’s the point of gifting or even encouraging The Muggle to buy an Überlight. Whether it’s dumbing it down, hobbling it, lobotomising it, affixing training-wheels to it, whatever, if someone can’t handle it, what’s the point?

It’s like gifting someone a Ferrari but installing a “teen mode” speed-governor to it.

The SC31 and even that 500lm Xiomi “lipstick” light were designed to suit that purpose, and at least the former was “improved” by making it brighter. Facepalm

Advertising a light that can set small children on fire from 50’ away sounds tres kewl, but it is practical? Oh, it’s fun (well, except for the small children), but is it the best thing for The Muggle?

I got a DC7 which is very Q8ish, but for the most part only has ramping and a coupla shortcuts. Works fine for probably 95% of the population. Even if it had candle-mode and LOL mode and 0-0-0-destruct-0 mode and all these other fun options which you could only enable first by bapping the sideswitch with “iddqd” in Morse code, great. But that’s really only for The Enthusiast, no? The plumber who just wants to see what’s in the dark scary cellar probably doesn’t care about the blinkies.

Simplifying the UI, while making hurt-yourself modes harder to get to, great. But even defaulting to “special”-mode will absolutely result in returns and nasty reviews. Guaranteed.

Case in point. I recently got a food thermometer (B019W2CGM6). The “cap” which slides onto the probe can be stuck onto the opposite end to extend its “reach” into a hot oven. Some lackbrain 1-starred it and commented, “Uhh, that’s not 13in, more like 13mm!”. Wait, an exact quote is best…

This is 13MM NOT 13 INCH!! Only reason I bought this one was for the long reach. Returning. P!SSED

Retard.

This is what you’d be dealing with. When people return lights because they “don’t work”, and can’t be bothered to take out the protective disc on the end of the cell, even though it’s triple-wrapped in glow-tape saying so, wellp, that’s the result.

So… yeah, maybe simplify the most-used functions if need be, and make it harder to get into hurt-yourself modes, and that should be enough.

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Come to think of it, how many, even BLF members, mistakenly believed they received 0 voltage brand-new. batteries?

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Come to think of it, how many, even BLF members, mistakenly believed they received 0 voltage brand-new. batteries?

In case it’s at all useful as a data point, “didn’t realize the batteries had stickers on the end” seems to be the #1 or #2 reason for returns of the Sofirn SP36. It’s really common for people to just try to turn it on, get no response, and assume it’s broken… not realizing that shipping regulations require the batteries to be physically blocked from making contact.

I hear it was also common for people to miss the “insert batteries from the front” card placed in the FW3A box.

There has been an increase of people like this buying BLF-related lights, so we should probably find ways to deal with that. And more generally, muggle mode has always kinda sucked, so it’s worth rewriting regardless.

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I’d love for muggle mode to turn into a pocket friendly (accidental turns on don’t result in burnt pockets)/anduril lite mode.

My suggestions would be to keep the basics of a good UI, so hold from off for moonlight, triple click from off for battery check, double click from off to the top of the safe ramp, and single click from off to memory. The ramp can start from either moonlight or a higher level, but access to a moonlight mode by holding from off is a crucial feature that I think anyone can appreciate.

I’d propose that the memory be tied to the memory mode outside of muggle mode, so you could either preconfigure a set turn on level or go with the default of using whatever was the last level. From on, a single click for off and a double click for top of the ramp.

Outside of muggle mode, it might be nice to move most of the config options a few further clicks away.

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ToyKeeper wrote:
Yeah, it could perhaps be Anduril2 or something. I don’t know; I’m terrible with names.

I suggest Glamdring.
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To be honest/blunt, I’m not quite sure what’s the point of gifting or even encouraging The Muggle to buy an Überlight. Whether it’s dumbing it down, hobbling it, lobotomising it, affixing training-wheels to it, whatever, if someone can’t handle it, what’s the point?

I think most of us agree. The problem though is that we can’t stop the Muggles from getting the lights – Muggles are buying the lights, whether we like it or not. That leads to…
  1. Muggles buy the lights. We can’t stop this.
  2. Muggles don’t like/leave bad reviews/return the lights because they’re confusing/dangerous/whatever. Maybe even because the muggle put a AA in his D4 and it didn’t go.
  3. Manufacturers begin responding to the Muggle audience instead of us, because there’s more Muggles (and therefore more money to be made from Muggles)

See, thing is, Muggles buying the enthusiast designs we love is a good thing, because if what we like is commercially successful, we can get it made easier. If Lumintop makes FW3A and it sells like hotcakes, they’re probably going to be more willing to build the next hot design we pitch them. What we have to be mindful of going forward, and what TK is addressing here, is that Muggles are part of the buying audience now and we need to take into account how to make the lights we want also work for them.

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To help get the thread back on topic, I too think Emisar is a good brand.

Things like their: build quality, innovation, and value are (IMHO) easily above even custom flashlight makers.

That being said, I think they have room for improvement. For one thing, based on my IPC J-STD-001 certification training, I would not pass their LED board soldering.

But than again, I wouldn’t pass many, many manufacturers for their ESD practices or soldering.

In summary, Emisar is good but could technically be better.

Enjoy the light show - LedTed

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xevious wrote:
perhaps they’ll further enhance their UI, a kind of “Anduril lite.” I’m very curious to see what Emisar comes up with down the road as well.

With more general audiences finding Anduril-based lights lately, I’ve been thinking I should completely rewrite muggle mode and have it enabled by default. This would provide a simple and safe interface out of the box, with the ability to turn it off later to access more features.

Specifically, instead of being a separate mode, the muggle / simple UI would be more like an overlay which turns off any config options or extra modes… and makes the dangerously-bright levels unavailable. It would mostly just behave like a “normal” flashlight. But there would still be an option to take the restrictions off and enable the full feature set, for people who want the extras.

While changing that, it could also be a good time to do some other changes which break backward compatibility. Like… making config modes a bit harder to access so it won’t happen by accident.

This is a brilliant idea, TK. By doing this, you avoid the novice from having to struggle. People like Nick Shabazz (he’s a major knife reviewer but just did the FW3A… and was befuddled by the UI) would become a viable customer, not scared off by a complex UI. So when reset, light is in muggle mode. You can easily step out of muggle and stay that way, having full access to the Anduril system. You could make it a “10 clicks” to get out of muggle, so a novice won’t accidentally get into the main Anduril UI.
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Firelight2 wrote:
ToyKeeper wrote:
I’ve been thinking I should completely rewrite muggle mode and have it enabled by default.

You’re thinking that muggles are going to buy a dangerous light. For their safety muggle mode should be enabled by default.

But I’m not sure you’ve quite thought through all the ramifications. Consider the following:

I. What happens if muggle mode is enabled by default?
If you enable muggle mode by default there are going to be a LOT of very disgruntled muggles who buy Anduril lights, don’t read the fine print in the manual, and then are incredibly disappointed that the light that they just bought that was advertised as “5,000 lumens” only appears to output 300 lumens. They’ll think the light is defective and promptly seek a refund, or flood the seller and manufacturer with complaints about selling a defective or inferior product. They may even accuse the seller of false advertising.

II. What about a warning in the box to inform customers about muggle mode?
To avoid that kind of customer disappointment, any manufacturer selling a light with muggle mode activated by default would need to include a very prominent warning placard at the top of the box explaining that the light ships in muggle mode, what muggle mode is, and how to get out of it.

… and of course upon seeing that any muggle would promptly then follow the instructions and exit muggle mode, which defeats the purpose of enabling it by default.

Muggles would also be a bit disgruntled by the extra hoop they had to jump through to get their new light working properly.

III. Perhaps the manufacturer should only advertise muggle-mode ratings?
This won’t work either.

If only muggle mode ratings are advertised the theory is most muggles won’t find out about non-muggle mode. Only enthusiasts who can handle the power will learn about it and safety is preserved. Would this strategy work? … not really.

The reason: lumens sell. A flashlight retailer is not going to market a 5000 lumen light as a “300 lumen” light. Such a light isn’t going to sell when there are so many other competing lights in similar size in the 1000+ lumen range. No muggle is going to look twice at such a “weak” light.

Of course informed flasholics on this forum would know about non-muggle mode and might still buy the light. But marketing a light to just members of this forum is a vanishingly tiny market. Most most manufacturers want to sell lights to more than just members of BLF.

BOTTOM LINE: MUGGLE MODE BY DEFAULT = NO-WIN STRATEGY. Tired

There is a WIN strategy. You can make 2 kinds of Muggle modes. FULL and LIMITED. FULL by default, so full power of light is available. LIMITED when giving to children, so they don’t hurt themselves if they manage to get a hold of the flashlight. Muggle group should have a fairly easy means to toggle between the two sub groups.

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