The newly upgraded samsung 30QT-6 has stronger power

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The newly upgraded samsung 30QT-6 has stronger power

The 30QT-6 has stronger power, and has a low AC internal resistance of about 11.2 milliohm

Better cycle life

30Q KE2T 6 ,mark on heat shrinkable

Please refer to link test data and comparison

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Edited by: vapcell Dennis on 07/03/2020 - 21:57
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Why didn’t Samsung label the newer version as “30QT-6” ?
From the pics of your Facebook timeline:

So one has to know from the nuance of the warning that the cell would be the slighter better chemistry. As there aren’t enough counterfeits to add to the confusion of this popular cell?

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Quite confusing indeed…

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It’s similar to 29E(-6) and 29E-7, the revision 7 brought notable improvements and sellers like Nkon sell both revisions distinctively, I’m sure that they’ll do the same with 30Q-6 if the previous revision is cheaper and not depreciated.

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I would like to test one (or a pair) of them!

Any seller wants to be reviewed??

The most ugly place in the world! Surprised

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Strange price structure for those new, upgraded Samsung 30QT-6 batteries on Vapcell’s store on AliExpress:

1x battery = US$ 6.00
2x battery = US$ 9.00 = US$ 4.50 per battery
3x battery = US$ 13.99 = US$ 4.66 per battery
4x battery = US$ 19.00 = US$ 4.75 per battery
5x battery = US$ 27.00 = US$ 5.40 per battery

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Grigio wrote:
Strange price structure for those new, upgraded Samsung 30QT-6 batteries on Vapcell’s store on AliExpress:

1x battery = US$ 6.00
2x battery = US$ 9.00 = US$ 4.50 per battery
3x battery = US$ 13.99 = US$ 4.66 per battery
4x battery = US$ 19.00 = US$ 4.75 per battery
5x battery = US$ 27.00 = US$ 5.40 per battery

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This seems like a new type of toilet paper math.

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Those 3 cells all have different markings and only 1 has a date code.

Hard pass.

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Trying to understand the date code system for Samsung:

Anyone care to better explain this mishmash? Why a capacity value in the date code; what’s with a letter for the year?? And can I presume the initial date of production to be 2010 (“A”)?

Samsung isn’t helping people distinguish fakes with such disparities. Should be straight forward. Just look at the can marking system – totally heterogeneous.

I’ve steered away from the 30Q. Prefer the VTC6 for lesser counterfeits.

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Grigio wrote:
Strange price structure for those new, upgraded Samsung 30QT-6 batteries on Vapcell’s store on AliExpress:

1x battery = US$ 6.00
2x battery = US$ 9.00 = US$ 4.50 per battery
3x battery = US$ 13.99 = US$ 4.66 per battery
4x battery = US$ 19.00 = US$ 4.75 per battery
5x battery = US$ 27.00 = US$ 5.40 per battery

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Very sorry, colleague accounting error

It has been corrected

Thanks

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Sidney Stratton wrote:
Trying to understand the date code system for Samsung:

Anyone care to better explain this mishmash? Why a capacity value in the date code; what’s with a letter for the year?? And can I presume the initial date of production to be 2010 (“A”)?

Samsung isn’t helping people distinguish fakes with such disparities. Should be straight forward. Just look at the can marking system – totally heterogeneous.

I’ve steered away from the 30Q. Prefer the VTC6 for lesser counterfeits.

Please refer to the specification

There’s a description of these markers

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@vapecell Denis:

That was from Samsung’s spec sheet. Unless you have a different one, then you should link.

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Sidney Stratton wrote:
@vapecell Denis:

That was from Samsung’s spec sheet. Unless you have a different one, then you should link.

三星电芯喷码规则
马来西亚产喷码规则:
ICR18650 – 22FM   ( M : 表示 Malaysia 电芯)
SAMSUNG SDIEM  ( EM : 在马来西亚的电芯厂的名称是三星Energy Malaysia )
5CZ1  (是 Date Code   C是年度, Z是月份, 1是周别)
- Date code的解释
*5 :三星工厂内部代码 无参考价值
   * C : 2012年
   * Z : 11月 
   * 1 : 表示第一周
马来西亚产电芯生产日期月份对照表:
P Q R S T U V W X Y
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Z 0
11 12

天津产喷码规则:

INR18650 – 35E  
SAMSUNG SDI  
3(代表版本号)
JG1T  (是 Date Code   J是年度, G是月份, 1是周别)
- Date code的解释
   * J : 2019年(A代表2010年,以此类推)
   * G : 4月 份
   * 1 : 表示第一周
*T :代表天津工产生产
天津产电芯生产日期月份对照表:
D E F G H I J K L M
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
N 0
11 12

三星电芯喷码规则
韩国产喷码规则:

ICR18650 – 29E
 SAMSUNG SDI 
2H22  (是 Date Code   H是年度, 2是月份, 2是周别)
- Date code的解释
*2 :三星工厂内部代码 无参考价值
   * H : 2017年
   * 2 : 2月 
   * 2 : 表示第2周
韩国产电芯生产日期月份对照表:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
B C
11 12

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Huh…
Those are taken from where?
And they refer to INR 18650 22F / 35E / 29E

Anyways, why defend Samsung? My comment was in regards to their coding from what is published. You haven’t given the link to that gibberish; if there’s no drawing / explanation to refer to what those numbers / letters to.

To get things straight, you offer new battery chemistry with a new nomenclature (30QT-6), but don’t have the documentation to support this. Yes, you have your in-house analysis, but not Samsung’s.

And then to defend Sam’s confusing coding, you post more gibberish.

My take is re-wrapped cells.

Now if they were wrapped with Vapcell, I’d be more forgiving. I like your batteries and find they do perform as stated. And you do sell newer chemistries -staying on top of the curve.

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vapcell Dennis wrote:
Grigio wrote:
Strange price structure for those new, upgraded Samsung 30QT-6 batteries on Vapcell’s store on AliExpress:

1x battery = US$ 6.00
2x battery = US$ 9.00 = US$ 4.50 per battery
3x battery = US$ 13.99 = US$ 4.66 per battery
4x battery = US$ 19.00 = US$ 4.75 per battery
5x battery = US$ 27.00 = US$ 5.40 per battery

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Very sorry, colleague accounting error

It has been corrected

Thanks

Yes, now the batteries get cheaper when the quantity is higher, but why the big price difference all of a sudden?

1x battery = US$ 9.98
2x battery = US$ 12.98 = US$ 6.49 per battery
3x battery = US$ 17.98 = US$ 5.99 per battery
4x battery = US$ 22.98 = US$ 5,74 per battery
5x battery = US$ 27.98 = US$ 5.60 per battery

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Sidney Stratton wrote:
Why didn’t Samsung label the newer version as “30QT-6” ?
From the pics of your Facebook timeline:

So one has to know from the nuance of the warning that the cell would be the slighter better chemistry.

The new 30Qs I just got in from 18650BatteryStore look just like these with the added warning stamped on them. Don’t know if that’s new or I just haven’t ordered them in a while Big Smile These guys are my source the last six months here in the US and I’ve been very happy buying from them.

I paid $4.99 each for the 30Qs with shipping VERY reasonable ($6 for 8 cells to Kansas). They also have some great sales monthly. My super cool new Molicel P42a 21700s came from these guys too. Of course they just dropped in price this week from $7.50 to $5.99 each. Silly

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I can’t speak to the existence of a new version, or how to discern them, but the markings on my cells (from Illumn) are consistent with the document. Other threads here on the discussion of authenticity have pictures illustrating the markings on the cell body beneath the wrapper, which are more descriptive and perhaps more difficult to counterfeit than those on the wrapper.

Such markings are for meant Samsung’s internal usage, and the partners it decides to share them with. They’re not designed for easy decipherability by members of the general public, who aren’t the intended market.

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Zappaman wrote:
The new 30Qs I just got in from 18650BatteryStore look just like these with the added warning stamped on them.

There are three cells in the picture, all are different.
The top one has an improper date code and the warning; the middle cell is the Malaysian 30Q and again with an improper date code (the last line should have a number (capacity group), a letter (for year; 2010 = A), two digits (month, week) according to Samsung’s datasheet). But all the cells I’ve encountered have three numbers and if they are the date code then the top cell code would imply 2011, March, 1st week. And if this is a newer chemistry cell, that can’t be from 2011.
The bottom cell I can’t make why only one number and what the KF5T would attribute.

And as I firstly remarked, these cells are not labeled as “30QT-6”.

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I can’t speak to the existence of a new version, or how to discern them, but the markings on my cells (from Illumn) are consistent with the document. Other threads here on the discussion of authenticity have pictures illustrating the markings on the cell body beneath the wrapper, which are more descriptive and perhaps more difficult to counterfeit than those on the wrapper.

Such markings are for meant Samsung’s internal usage, and the partners it decides to share them with. They’re not designed for easy decipherability by members of the general public, who aren’t the intended market.

Your cells are consistent with which document? The Samsung Datasheet that I posted or the one from Vapcell Denis (which I believe refers to the can markings)?
As for authenticity, the cells that are pictured show the PET tube markings. Samsung has a code system for this and if it is so construed to not be decipherable by the general public, they further the proliferation of counterfeits. It may not be in one’s interest to remove the wrapper to inspect the can.

And then Samsung makes a warning intended to the general public – so, not exclusive to the OEM market…

So my beef is with this “30QT-6” There is no such marking on the cells that are posted on Facebook. And what better way to gain traction with a FB post!

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Sidney Stratton wrote:
Zappaman wrote:
The new 30Qs I just got in from 18650BatteryStore look just like these with the added warning stamped on them.

There are three cells in the picture, all are different.
The top one has an improper date code and the warning; the middle cell is the Malaysian 30Q and again with an improper date code (the last line should have a number (capacity group), a letter (for year; 2010 = A), two digits (month, week) according to Samsung’s datasheet). But all the cells I’ve encountered have three numbers and if they are the date code then the top cell code would imply 2011, March, 1st week. And if this is a newer chemistry cell, that can’t be from 2011.
The bottom cell I can’t make why only one number and what the KF5T would attribute.

And as I firstly remarked, these cells are not labeled as “30QT-6”.

TheIntruder wrote:
I can’t speak to the existence of a new version, or how to discern them, but the markings on my cells (from Illumn) are consistent with the document. Other threads here on the discussion of authenticity have pictures illustrating the markings on the cell body beneath the wrapper, which are more descriptive and perhaps more difficult to counterfeit than those on the wrapper.

Such markings are for meant Samsung’s internal usage, and the partners it decides to share them with. They’re not designed for easy decipherability by members of the general public, who aren’t the intended market.

Your cells are consistent with which document? The Samsung Datasheet that I posted or the one from Vapcell Denis (which I believe refers to the can markings)?
As for authenticity, the cells that are pictured show the PET tube markings. Samsung has a code system for this and if it is so construed to not be decipherable by the general public, they further the proliferation of counterfeits. It may not be in one’s interest to remove the wrapper to inspect the can.

And then Samsung makes a warning intended to the general public – so, not exclusive to the OEM market…

So my beef is with this “30QT-6” There is no such marking on the cells that are posted on Facebook. And what better way to gain traction with a FB post!

this is 30QT

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@Vapcell Dennis;

Prove it!

Show me some legit documentation from Samsung. Not some excerpt as you previously did.

Link a datasheet. Not FB, Not other battery types.

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@Vapcell Dennis;

Prove it!

Show me some legit documentation from Samsung. Not some excerpt as you previously did.

Link a datasheet. Not FB, Not other battery types.

Try to pass PDF document on Baidu website

Comparison between new version 30qt-6 and old version

https://pan.baidu.com/s/1NsZYs-aw4HkfDL5FLIkyig

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Can you look up the PDF file?

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Can’t download the PDF but got screenshots. Album

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1st- the cell is deemed “30Q6” and not “30QT-6”

2nd – this is but a minor upgrade; other than a slightly better cycle life and cold temperature discharge all other characteristics are almost the same.

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Can’t download the PDF but got screenshots. Album

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1st- the cell is deemed “30Q6” and not “30QT-6”

2nd – this is but a minor upgrade; other than a slightly better cycle life and cold temperature discharge all other characteristics are almost the same.

Thank you very much for sharing

yeah,but only 30QT have new version in market

Maybe there will be 6 version in other places in the future

The power performance was also improved, and the samples were sent to HKJ

I have also done the test and comparison, especially the discharge end has been improved

Expect power performance to surpass Sony vtc6 and match vtc6a

High end batteries, whether in terms of power or capacity, are very exciting. Because the progress of lithium battery technology is very slow

Most importantly, the cycle life has been significantly improved

So it’s a very good cell

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@ vapecell Dennis;

You don’t have to quote the entire post – quite annoying.

You should always post all info (and especially the manufacturer’s data) to be peer-reviewed prior to stating “stronger power”.

And BTW the cell is termed “30Q6”

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Downloading from Baidu Cloud is always a challenge for those not inside mainland China.

I was able to find some instructions before to access the English portal, which requires entering a mobile phone number, which Baidu will send a ‘dynamic password’ to allow logging into the Baidu Cloud, and download the files shared there.

I’ve download the PDF file, hoping the PDF file can be shared publicly. Quick Google search for “upload/share PDF online” pointed to a “DocDroid” website (not sure if this is a good site or not). Download link below.

Link to the “Introduction of 30Q6_comparison – 20191216.pdf” (filesize: 1.2Mb)
https://docdro.id/SCcWqDZ