Copper FW3C poor quality

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Copper FW3C poor quality

Ok, why is it when you really want something it ends up being bad, broken etc.
My copper fw3a just arrived and immediately I noticed an odd beam profile.
After taking it apart, it was clear what the issue is.
The emitter base is screwed in off centre. Facepalm worse, because it’s screwed in I can’t move it. One side has a big gap, the other is tight up against the copper.
The question is, what to do about it?
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Ouchie, that looks bad. Maybe drilling new screw hole? I wonder if other copper ones have same issue?

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FW3*C*….?

Is it possible to sand back one side of the optic so it sits flat?

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MoreLumens wrote:
Ouchie, that looks bad. Maybe drilling new screw hole? I wonder if other copper ones have same issue?

No, not an option, I’m not even considering drilling and tapping holes. Even if I had the tools, which I don’t it would invalidate the warranty.
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pinkpanda3310 wrote:
FW3*C*….?

Is it possible to sand back one side of the optic so it sits flat?


Yeah sorry ‘c’ lol
It sits flat, it’s off centre is the issue, the beam is just awful, you can even see the legs in it when you rotate it! (or that’s what it appears to be) Facepalm
It’s going to have to go back ……….
The only option as I see it is to remove the screw, my other fw3a doesn’t even have a screw, so it can’t be needed as such?
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G0OSE wrote:
MoreLumens wrote:
Ouchie, that looks bad. Maybe drilling new screw hole? I wonder if other copper ones have same issue?
No, not an option, I’m not even considering drilling and tapping holes. Even if I had the tools, which I don’t it would invalidate the warranty.

Yeah I wouldnt either. I think you should send it back because something just aint right now.

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Paypal case opened. Facepalm Let BG sort it out, I opened the case with them too, after PP of course.
LAST time I buy a LuminSLOP product, lesson learned. Makes you wonder why there were 6 at a reduced price……… I expect they are returns/rejects.
Just as well I didn’t take the cash off my boss for my regular fw3a, which I’ll be keeping now lol!

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Just remove the screw. It only prevents rotation of the MCPCB while screwing the bezel on/off.

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SammysHP wrote:
Just remove the screw. It only prevents rotation of the MCPCB while screwing the bezel on/off.

Yeah, I did think that, but wasn’t entirely sure. You see my little fatty BC15/P25 has a similar screw and it holds a contact wire on the other side of the shelf – I was a bit cautious this had a similar thing.
However if that screw is doing as you say, it would indeed be safe to remove it – but I’ll ask BG first in the dispute. I don’t want a single reason to arise for them to say I invalidated the warranty, just in case something happens in the future. If they say go for it, I will.
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Sorted, screw removed and it’s ok. I know some might think it silly to cause the fuss, but it’s not so much now, as things that may occur in time to come… Facepalm

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SammysHP wrote:
Just remove the screw. It only prevents rotation of the MCPCB while screwing the bezel on/off.

Normally, the hole in the shelf is off centre, so a bit of movement can shear off the leads.
But in this case the hole in the shelf and the MCPCB is IN the centre, so no shearing.
But the leads might get twisted.
Twisting of the leads can be limited by pushing down the optics while screwing in the bezel.
It helps if there is an optic AND a glass lens, that will reduce the rotating force on the optic.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Yeah, agreed Henk, but it only needed a slight touch once the screw was out – the wires will be fine, i doubt it will ever be opened again. The sst20 nw is much more pleasant than the xpl hi v6 3d – which I thought were nice, and still do. Just no so nice.

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You can use thermal adhesive to stop it from rotating.

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You know thinking about it, it could just as easily be an issue with the led board itself – being cut slightly in the wrong place , I’ll never know.
Either way, it wasn’t ideal. Still, sorted now, smile back on chops Smile
Just starting a photo set to show how it patinas, which I’ll put up at some point – all I need to do is remember to do it every day!

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You could enlarge the bottom of the hole to have more clearance around the head of the screw while keeping it to avoid the MCPCB to rotate.

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Or use a slightly longer flat head screw and a shim around the MCPCB, GITD tape maybe.

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Maybe use a small needle file and make the screw hole slightly oval to allow the board to be shifted center and still torqued in place.

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No, not an option, I’m not even considering drilling and tapping holes. Even if I had the tools, which I don’t it would invalidate the warranty.

Key word?

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Just checked my FW3A and all three of the ones I have exhibit the same off-center issue between the LED emitter base and the inner diameter of the flashlight's tube as shown in the first post of this thread for the FW3C.  I can even see the misalignments with the flashlights assembled as the three LEDs and the optic are slightly closer to one side.

But it does not create any issues with the beam quality on my particular FW3A lights because the three legs on the optic that fit into the three holes on the LED emitter base allow the optic to line up correctly with the LED emitter board because the optic is smaller in diameter and does not touch the flashlight's tube.  When I screw the lens back on it seems to hold everything together firmly and keep the parts aligned correctly.

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G0OSE wrote:
No, not an option, I’m not even considering drilling and tapping holes. Even if I had the tools, which I don’t it would invalidate the warranty.

Key word?


I know, but you can hope lol!
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Or use a slightly longer flat head screw and a shim around the MCPCB, GITD tape maybe.

Yeah mate there are a few options, but to be honest it seems to be fine now, I suppose the only worry is the board not sitting flat on the shelf, but it wasn’t an issue in my original one which had no screw. I’ll see how it goes though.
Only been open a few hours and a patina is already starting!
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Normally there is enough room in the bezel area for the optic to accommodate when the MCPCB is off center, but it wouldn’t be an issue in the first place if they machined these parts with tighter tolarences.

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Well just to update, BG offered me a £12 refund, which I think is fair considering – I’d rather not return the whole light over it and not be able to get another, it would end up costing more.
It seems to ok without the screw, so I will accept.

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G0OSE wrote:
Well just to update, BG offered me a £12 refund, which I think is fair considering – I’d rather not return the whole light over it and not be able to get another, it would end up costing more. It seems to ok without the screw, so I will accept.

Hence your copper FW3A will from this moment on be formally addressed as: Screwless Nick.

You are a flashaholic if you are forced to come out of the closet, to make room for more flashlights.

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Henk4U2 wrote:
G0OSE wrote:
Well just to update, BG offered me a £12 refund, which I think is fair considering – I’d rather not return the whole light over it and not be able to get another, it would end up costing more. It seems to ok without the screw, so I will accept.

Hence your copper FW3A will from this moment on be formally addressed as: Screwless Nick.


Lol!
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Surprise surprise, no refund has been credited……. Facepalm
Escalated to Paypal now.

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“We gave you refund. Please go post office and check.”

“Can you send pictures of not getting refund?”

“Maybe video, too?”

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G0OSE wrote:
Surprise surprise, no refund has been credited……. Facepalm

Typical Banggood Facepalm
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Lightbringer wrote:
“We gave you refund. Please go post office and check.”

“Can you send pictures of not getting refund?”

“Maybe video, too?”

‘Banggood will do what we have promised to our customers. When you receive this email, we have already arranged a refund 11.63GBP to your payment account.’ Facepalm

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Maybe it’s like an arranged marriage and will happen in like 20yrs or so…

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Lightbringer wrote:

“We gave you refund. Please go post office and check.”

“Can you send pictures of not getting refund?”

“Maybe video, too?”

Nice!  :D

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