[UPDATED M4D deal] Manker “EDC Muscle Combo – BLF Limited”

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Awesome! Can I ask a huge favor? If the review is not ready for publishing before the 20th could you post a sneak preview of the runtime graphs for the high mode early? IDK about other people but for a small 18350 light like this, an efficient driver is the deciding factor for me.

If not then I’ll be keen to read your review on these lights when you post it. They look amazing and I haven’t found reviews on these lights online yet.

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I’m in for 2, thanks Martin!

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There is a video of the E14 III here: https://youtu.be/__ICs6×989c

Can someone translate what he is saying around 04:10 regarding protected/unprotected 18650 cells ? Does he say unprotected cells are too short ?

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Dickens wrote:
Ah, fair enough. So the example of the FC11 was just an example of really poor management. [...]

Not an example of poor management but a whole different category of budget. While the beforehand mentioned Zebralight flashlights target consumers with figuratively big pockets, Wurkkos's FC11 is a true budget flashlight for less than $30 including battery and some more accessories that Zebralight will not even supply with their lights for prices of $ 80 and more. So, it's like comparing apples and pears. If you want a flashlight with a fully regulated buck/boost driver, you will definitely need to pay more than $ 30.

Luminous and wired, we'll be glowing in the dark.

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how much is the shipping to Macedonia?

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Signed up for the pair. I already bought the E14 III. Shipped fast too. I want another and that little thrower looks nice. I got the Acebeam E10 and a Catapult V6 but, I’d find a good use for the thrower.

Thanks MAX

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turbiny wrote:
how much is the shipping to Macedonia?

we offer free shipping with tracking number via post mail. of course, you can pay extra for DHL/FedEx/EMS.

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I really want to buy the E05 Ti. Is strobe really in the mode set? I have to go through strobe to get back to low?

Please tell me strobe isn’t in the mode set.

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Definitely interested in the group buy. Any chance for custom serial numbers?

Either chosen numeric or alpha (initials)?

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Definitely interested in the group buy. Any chance for custom serial numbers? Either chosen numeric or alpha (initials)?

 

Like "80085"? 

 

Sounds like a nightmare to keep track of Smile

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There is a video of the E14 III here: https://youtu.be/__ICs6×989c

Can someone translate what he is saying around 04:10 regarding protected/unprotected 18650 cells ? Does he say unprotected cells are too short ?

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he says:
"with the long version you need to use a protected cell! An unprotected would be much too short! has not enough tension... well - it would work also.. (shakes the tight cell) ...hmmm... i feel its not optimal... (flashlight just works) but optimal is a protected!"

Big Smile

 

€dit tested and found no downside from using a short, unprotected cell (30Q) 

on hart tap it has a short disconnect, but the driver design allows to come back in same mode immedeately!!

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Interesting. Some members on TLF reported that Acebeam‘s L17 had disconnects with too short 18650 cells, e.g. Samsung 30Q or Sanyo NCR18650GA. I’m curious if MC13 will also require longer batteries.

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both manker do accept short cells

they may disconnect when hit harder than spring travel can handle

BUT the light just comes on again without mode change or such!
I am impressed by that!

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M4D M4X wrote:

he says:
“with the long version you need to use a protected cell! An unprotected would be much too short! has not enough tension… well – it would work also.. (shakes the tight cell) …hmmm… i feel its not optimal… (flashlight just works) but optimal is a protected!”


Big Smile


 


€dit tested and found no downside from using a short, unprotected cell (30Q) 


on hart tap it has a short disconnect, but the driver design allows to come back in same mode immedeately!!


Thanks for translation.

Naturally there is a balancing act when trying to accommodate protected and unprotected cells. If you go too much one way, you can risk crushing the longer cells. If you go too much the other way, unprotected cells can flop around. It is hard to be perfect for every cell.

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M4D M4X wrote:
... €dit tested and found no downside from using a short, unprotected cell (30Q) ...

 

Do the MC13 and E14 III have "low voltage protection" (provided by the flashlight itself) when used with an "unprotected battery"?

 

Or do the flashlights only have "low voltage protection" (provided only by the "protected battery") when used with a "protected battery"?

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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Flashlights that have low voltage protection have it for protected and unprotected cells.

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raccoon city wrote:

Flashlights that have low voltage protection have it for protected and unprotected cells.

 

Yes I understand that, but not all flashlights have built-in low voltage protection.

 

Do the MC13 and E14 III have low voltage protection built-in to the flashlight for unprotected batteries?

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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In the product description in mankerlight site:
“3. Low battery indicator: Voltage <3.2V, the brightness level downshifts to Moonlight. Voltage = 2.9V, turn off. (Ratio Error: ± 0.1V,while using different battery)”

roostre wrote:

raccoon city wrote:

Flashlights that have low voltage protection have it for protected and unprotected cells.



 


Yes I understand that, but not all flashlights have built-in low voltage protection.


 


Do the MC13 and E14 III have low voltage protection built-in to the flashlight for unprotected batteries?

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bidas wrote:
In the product description in mankerlight site: "3. Low battery indicator: Voltage <3.2V, the brightness level downshifts to Moonlight. Voltage = 2.9V, turn off. (Ratio Error: ± 0.1V,while using different battery)"

 

Thanks for that information.  Sounds like the flashlights probably do have low voltage protection.

 

It would be more reassuring to me if they clearly said that the flashlights have built-in low voltage protection using language that actually states "Low voltage protection" (instead of language that just states "Low battery indicator") because some flashlights behave the way they describe that do not have low voltage protection and downshift their brightness and eventually also turn off but continue to discharge the battery.

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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at 3.2V moon activates on both (tested several times) 

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roostre wrote:
bidas wrote:
In the product description in mankerlight site: “3. Low battery indicator: Voltage <3.2V, the brightness level downshifts to Moonlight. Voltage = 2.9V, turn off.

It would be more reassuring to me if they clearly said that the flashlights have built-in low voltage protection…

But … doesn’t it clearly state that it shuts off when the battery reaches 2.9V? That’s what LVP is.

It’s like a car manual stating, “in the event of a collision exceeding 30 kph, a balloon-like vessel will inflate to protect the front-seat passengers from impact”, and then people wonder if it has airbags.

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… a balloon-like vessel will inflate to protect the front-seat passengers from impact”, and then people wonder if it has airbags.

Lol thank you. This made my day Big Smile LOL

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Do we know what kind of driver is in either of these lights?

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ToyKeeper wrote:
But ... doesn't it clearly state that it shuts off when the battery reaches 2.9V? That's what LVP is. ...

 

It also states that each flashlight includes a protected battery:

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- Powered by 1x 3.7V 1100mAh high drain protected 18350 li-ion battery with Type-C USB port (Included)

 

So does the "2.9V, turn off" occur because of the "protected battery" or because of the flashlight?

It is not clearly stated which mechanism provides the "low voltage protection" (the battery or the flashlight).

 

Do the flashlights have low voltage protection and turn off at 2.9 Volts when using an unprotected battery?

 

Hopefully forum member Mankerlight or someone who has tested the flashlights using unprotected batteries will comment and clarify this.

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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I can confirm that LVP kicked in (light turned fully off) around 3.0v on an unprotected cell

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gchart wrote:
I can confirm that LVP kicked in (light turned fully off) around 3.0v on an unprotected cell

 

Thanks for confirming this and that the flashlight does have built-in low voltage protection.

I was not trying to cause any controversy.  It was simply a question I was curious about since I do not need any more lights that do not have built-in low voltage protection.

How many flashlights does a "real man" need?

None, real men are not afraid of the dark.

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roostre wrote:
So does the “2.9V, turn off” occur because of the “protected battery” or because of the flashlight?

That would depend on which mechanism noticed the low voltage first. Either way your cell is protected. Variances in cell and flashlight allow that question to not be answered correctly for every light and every protected cell combination.

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roostre wrote:
It also states that each flashlight includes a protected battery… So does the “2.9V, turn off” occur because of the “protected battery” or because of the flashlight?

Ah, okay. That’s a good point.

I’d be concerned too. So I’m glad someone tested it and posted their results. Blushing

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Martin, any chance of asking them to bundle the E02ii in with this deal as an option? Looks like a great aaa size headlamp that I’ll be looking to add to my collection, and would be nice to get them all together!

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