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Hey thanks for the help. Just ordered from Neal with all the accessories (: can’t wait to get this bad boy… I have an Acebeam W30 LEP but as amazing as it looks, it’s not very “useful”. (:

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I prefer cool white, the thing is a beast under 1m it will quickly burn clothes, melt plastic. Haha everyone should have one.

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Haha seriously???

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Is it just the color you prefer, the look? Sounds like the 4300 is more powerful. Might have to get one of each I think (:

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Seriously, you got to have one, fun to play with but this aint no toy. At out in the bush where there isnt light they are a daymaker.

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Ya so sweet… I ordered the 4300K a few hours ago from Neal along with all the accessories and chose the fastest shipping. Gotta take stock of my batteries – needed some new 18350s for my Noctigon KR4 2000K that’s coming (:

What an addictive hobby huh? I never thought when I was a kid that there’d be devices like this. Can you imagine what they’ll have on another 10, 20 or 30 years?

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Make sure your cells are short. Even 30q cells with very small button tops are very tight nearly unusable. Flattops I believe are recommended. The light has the throw of the blf gt but with 4 times the lumens. All that in a much smaller light. But be safe, this needs treated like the hotwires of old. I would be careful of temperature shock and the lens. Also be careful where you put the light when putting it away, don’t put it right in your coat pocket because it will melt your clothes or burn you. But have fun because it is insanely powerful.

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lawallac wrote:
Make sure your cells are short. Even 30q cells with very small button tops are very tight nearly unusable. Flattops I believe are recommended. The light has the throw of the blf gt but with 4 times the lumens. All that in a much smaller light. But be safe, this needs treated like the hotwires of old. I would be careful of temperature shock and the lens. Also be careful where you put the light when putting it away, don’t put it right in your coat pocket because it will melt your clothes or burn you. But have fun because it is insanely powerful.

Wow, I can’t wait to get this thing. What cells would you recommend? Max power is all I care about. Run time is not an issue because I’m going to keep extras when I’m out Smile
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Hello, the battery life of 8 batteries is about 100 minutes, which is more convenient to use. The battery is built-in and can’t be taken out. Due to the battery logistics delivery is very troublesome, many logistics companies do not mail, so the sale of foreign countries is suspended. thank you

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Saul M wrote:
Thanks stone20003

Would be handy to have a 8cell holder i would think? More runtime without getting out some more cells out in the field.


Hello, the battery life of 8 batteries is about 100 minutes, which is more convenient to use. The battery is built-in and can’t be taken out. Due to the battery logistics delivery is very troublesome, many logistics companies do not mail, so the sale of foreign countries is suspended. thank you

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nocturne wrote:
Please correct me if I am wrong here!

FF5 in high is 100W across 4x Li-ion cells in series, which are nominally 3.6V each if using LiCo cells, so that would make FF5 a 14.4V light, and the nominal current draw ~6.94A

distributed across 4 cells ~1.74A/cell. <— apparently incorrect

What I am unsure of is if cells in series distribute amps across cells the same as cells in parallel. Also, using cells with a nominal charge of 3.7V would seem to lower the current draw… but shouldn’t the current draw simply be what it is regardless of the nominal charge of the cells used?

But either way, 10A maximum continuous discharge IMR or INR cells should also be fine for this light, and then you’re not as worried about over discharge as you should be with unprotected high amp ICR cells, like I am with my 30A Sony VTC4 cells.

I really want to know if I am mistaken here, so I hope someone that knows says something.


Hello, FF5 battery is four batteries in series, the battery terminal power is about 120W, FF5 start speed is fast, so the starting current is large, FF5 needs to use flat 18650 power battery without protection, there is no need to worry about battery over discharge, because there is a protection circuit inside the FF5 battery rack. thank you

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Sirstinky wrote:
In series configuration each cell will see the same current load. The Ah rating is unchanged as well. The difference is in the voltage, it’s increased per each cell’s value. If you have 4 li-ions like your VTc4 in series, they can handle 30A, and the voltage is 16.8v fully charged. In 4P, the current handling is quadrupled as is capacity, but voltage doesn’t change. I am thinking the FireFoxes uses a 2S2P cell configuration.
Hello, FF5 uses 4 batteries in series

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will34 wrote:
Thanks for the info, has anyone done a runtime test on the FF5 yet?

I’m interested in the heat management and how long can it be powered on the low mode using high capacity cells.

I sold my FF4 a year ago thinking that HID no longer could compete with LED but the FF5 is looking great in terms of performance for the size.


Hello, FF5 uses four batteries for about 45 minutes

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Hey guy,

First of all, 4 in series blows my mind!

But i’m a little confused about the batteries. On Neal’s site, it shows a little battery holder that looks removable into which you insert 4 cells.

https://www.nealsgadgets.com/products/fire-foxes-ff5-hid-flashlight

And the one of the accessories I bought was a battery tray that I assumed functions in the same way. I.e. put 4 cells in

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Photon Master wrote:
This is great info thanks! Honestly, I was thinking of getting the 4300 even if was a little less power because I’m looking to get into non-6500K lights (my entire collection!)

What batteries are you using?

Would anyone suggest a different seller than Neal? I’ve had great experiences buying from him so I’m leaning in that direction

Thanks again

Hello, the HID flashlight needs 4300k. 4300k has strong penetration. It is more suitable for use in rainy and foggy weather. In addition, the luminous efficiency of 4300k is also higher

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Photon Master wrote:
Hey guy,

First of all, 4 in series blows my mind!

But i’m a little confused about the batteries. On Neal’s site, it shows a little battery holder that looks removable into which you insert 4 cells.

https://www.nealsgadgets.com/products/fire-foxes-ff5-hid-flashlight

And the one of the accessories I bought was a battery tray that I assumed functions in the same way. I.e. put 4 cells in


Yes, the battery rack is more convenient to use, and the battery can be replaced at any time to increase the service life

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I want a lemax bighead lx70 but I cant really justify it so I have been looking at how to put a bigger reflector on the FF5 or 4. I can probably buy the genuine head but with the reflectors I have built I am wondering how do I grind a compound reflector. The ff5 reflector looks to be the same curve as the ff4. So from the specs I could find out of curiosity plotted the curve I would like to have a reflector with the same geometry. FF6 with 6inch head?? Big Smile Big Smile

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On the fence between getting one of these two cells:

1) Samsung 30Q 18650 3000mAh 15A Battery
https://www.18650batterystore.com/Samsung-18650-p/samsung-30q.htm

or… 2) Murata VTC6 IMR 18650 (formerly Sony) 3000mAh 3.7V Unprotected High-Drain 30A Lithium Manganese (LiMn2O4) Flat Top Battery
https://www.batteryjunction.com/sony-vtc6-18650-3000-flat.html

If the specs are accurate, I’d get double the current out of the Sony’s

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In reality the Sony can hold higher discharge for longer, but is temperature limited. Realistically they are both 15A cells and only the Sony can do 20-25A for short periods (up to 70 or 80C), but reduces its lifespan. Unless you need that extra ‘oomph’ from the battery you’re fine with 30Q. They are a bit cheaper.

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Sirstinky wrote:
In reality the Sony can hold higher discharge for longer, but is temperature limited. Realistically they are both 15A cells and only the Sony can do 20-25A for short periods (up to 70 or 80C), but reduces its lifespan. Unless you need that extra ‘oomph’ from the battery you’re fine with 30Q. They are a bit cheaper.

Thank you my friend. I just ordered 10 of the 30Q’s from Illumn and 4 18350’s for the KR4 and some other lights that use them Smile I have some other lights that take 18650’s and it will be good to have some extras around and I wanted to get to the $75 free shipping
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Hello,

some Questions to that light.

4300K and 6500K.
I´ve read in another Thread, that 6500K is warmer or 4300K ist colder delivered.

In German TLF there are Beamshots of FF4, 65W, 4300K compared to FF5, 100W, 4300K.
FF5, 4300K looks much colder.

4300K should be better in output, more penetration in rainy weather.

Have anyone made some comparison of both versions 4300K and 6500K.
Beamshots?

Another question. Has anyone beamshots of the FF5 in low mode (40W).

Is there a batterie tube and carrier available for 8× 18650?
Or only the special 8 cell battery pack?

Where can I buy this 8 cell battery pack? or 8 cell carrier and tube.

Thanks a lot.

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square74 wrote:
Hello,

some Questions to that light.

4300K and 6500K.
I´ve read in another Thread, that 6500K is warmer or 4300K ist colder delivered.

In German TLF there are Beamshots of FF4, 65W, 4300K compared to FF5, 100W, 4300K.
FF5, 4300K looks much colder.

4300K should be better in output, more penetration in rainy weather.

Have anyone made some comparison of both versions 4300K and 6500K.
Beamshots?

Another question. Has anyone beamshots of the FF5 in low mode (40W).

Is there a batterie tube and carrier available for 8× 18650?
Or only the special 8 cell battery pack?

Where can I buy this 8 cell battery pack? or 8 cell carrier and tube.

Thanks a lot.

Hello, 4300k has high luminous efficiency and strong penetration in rainy and foggy weather. The other 8 battery rods are no longer sold abroad, because the logistics cost of built-in batteries is very high. Thank you

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My 4300K is on the way! Two sets of Samsung 30Q’s charged and ready to rock

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You’re going to be blown away by this light. As somebody that has the previous models, they really did it right with this one. The FF3 was a true pocket rocket with simple on off interface and a thermal stepdown. I like the knurling style styling the best with the tight knurling. The FF4 added the additional button to the side for mode switching. The smooth reflector and greater power made it a stand out and appeared to even best $2k Polarians in some of the shots I’ve seen. But the added turbo requires holding the button while it was in low. However you only got 3 min in turbo and once you got the stepdown or switched back to low or high, the light couldn’t be put back to turbo until it was power cycled. But with the FF5 you get a legit 10,000L thrower with 1.2 million lux. Plus the user interface is nearly as simple as the on/off of the FF3, with the side switch controlling h/l and the back being the power on/off. To really appreciate it, like any thrower, get out to an area where you can really stretch it’s legs an fire it up.

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Haha dude I’m really excited. The only long distance thrower (if you could even call it that) is the Acebeam W30 which although cool, isn’t very useful for much of anything.

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Wow, my FF5 already arrived. I’ve heard people complain about Neal’s shipments being slow but man… Ordered on 4 Oct, shipped on 9 Oct and received 16 Oct. Not bad when it’s coming from China in the middle of a global pandemic

The light is of course incredible. I love the cylinder case. The accessories weren’t packaged very well – there were some random pieces of what looked like paracord and the extra gaskets and stuff were just tossed in the box

Super bright when tested in my basement. Can’t wait for it to get dark so I can fire up this bad boy at night

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The Samsung 30Q’s hardly go down at all after a nice walk with this bad boy. I think I was down in the 4.0 volt range when I dropped them in my 8 bay Gyrfalcon. Sweet charger btw

Ok, totally off topic… My kid has this book about animals at night and always wants me to turn the lights off before I read it. Turns out the animals are glow in the dark and the wife tried leaving the book on the table with lights on, etc. No luck

Someone on a different thread mentioned that UV lights “charge” the material so I gave it a go with my 6 watt 365nm. Wow… I zapped each page for less than a second and they glowed so bright I could read the book by the light in a pitch dark room.

Can’t remember a time when my flashlight addition actually came in handy like that Smile

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Photon Master wrote:
Wow, my FF5 already arrived. I’ve heard people complain about Neal’s shipments being slow but man… Ordered on 4 Oct, shipped on 9 Oct and received 16 Oct. Not bad when it’s coming from China in the middle of a global pandemic

The light is of course incredible. I love the cylinder case. The accessories weren’t packaged very well – there were some random pieces of what looked like paracord and the extra gaskets and stuff were just tossed in the box

Super bright when tested in my basement. Can’t wait for it to get dark so I can fire up this bad boy at night

My multiple experiences buying from Neal is also the same. Very quick shipping considering it comes from China. Problem is the majority of people only post when they have negative experiences and keep it to themselves with positive experiences.

How is the color rendering and tint compared with LED lights of similar color temperature?

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Photon Master wrote:
Wow, my FF5 already arrived. I’ve heard people complain about Neal’s shipments being slow but man… Ordered on 4 Oct, shipped on 9 Oct and received 16 Oct. Not bad when it’s coming from China in the middle of a global pandemic

The light is of course incredible. I love the cylinder case. The accessories weren’t packaged very well – there were some random pieces of what looked like paracord and the extra gaskets and stuff were just tossed in the box

Super bright when tested in my basement. Can’t wait for it to get dark so I can fire up this bad boy at night

My multiple experiences buying from Neal is also the same. Very quick shipping considering it comes from China. Problem is the majority of people only post when they have negative experiences and keep it to themselves with positive experiences.

How is the color rendering and tint compared with LED lights of similar color temperature?

I’d have to defer to someone more knowledgeable on that…

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