Panasonic Evolta NiMh

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Panasonic Evolta NiMh

has anyone used these?  They are LSD cells like the Eneloop, have 1600 cycles. Not a lot more to say really apart from this is a good deal if you are in the UK.

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=112050

 

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The interesting part is that Sanyo is owned by Panasonic.

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It says these are basically rebranded Eneloops in description.

Now if they shipped to Latvia would be cool, but no, Americans get 12 eneloops for 20$ and free charger with that, British folks get 4 Eneloops for 5.something pounds while the rest of the world pay almost twice or even more, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k Laughing 

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vēer wrote:

It says these are basically rebranded Eneloops in description.

Now if they shipped to Latvia would be cool, but no, Americans get 12 eneloops for 20$ and free charger with that, British folks get 4 Eneloops for 5.something pounds while the rest of the world pay almost twice or even more, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k Laughing 

lol

Yes I know the connection with Sanyo/Panasonic.  But these are not re branded eneloops, that's what makes them interesting, to me anyway.  The specs are different, but only slightly. 

As for the price being cheaper here, well, it's about time something was cheaper in this country!Smile

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Yes, they seem very good batteries at a great price for in the UK. I picked up 8 a couple of months back and they've been fine, but I haven't done any proper measurements on them. There isn't much actual testing info on them anywhere as they are uncommon in the USA I think..

 

I was also drawn in by the fact panasonic owns sanyo and surely made use of eneloop technology in the development of this latest incarnation of their own Ni-mh cells. Also they have no reason to compete against themselves, so the higher cycle and capacity rating in comparison to eneloops should not be too exaggerated, if at all.

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Yes, they seem very good batteries at a great price for in the UK. I picked up 8 a couple of months back and they've been fine, but I haven't done any proper measurements on them. There isn't much actual testing info on them anywhere as they are uncommon in the USA I think..

 

I was also drawn in by the fact panasonic owns sanyo and surely made use of eneloop technology in the development of this latest incarnation of their own Ni-mh cells. Also they have no reason to compete against themselves, so the higher cycle and capacity rating in comparison to eneloops should not be too exaggerated, if at all.

Well for that money, got to give  them a try I guess.  I don't think you can go wrong with Panasonic.

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vēer wrote:

It says these are basically rebranded Eneloops in description.

Now if they shipped to Latvia would be cool, but no, Americans get 12 eneloops for 20$ and free charger with that, British folks get 4 Eneloops for 5.something pounds while the rest of the world pay almost twice or even more, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k Laughing 

lol

Prieks zināt, ka neesmu šeit vienīgais cilvēks no Latvijas Smile

Indeed kind of sucks for non-USA/UK, but if you wouldn't mind to have old (1000-cycle) eneloops instead of new ones, you can get a 4-pack for modestly-low $14 at Manafont.

(Alternatively - 8.90 LVL for 4-pack of 1500x ones at memo.lv, but that is kind of pricey. Still, only way to go if you don't want to wait for a few weeks)

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Jā, vēl viens apsēstais, vēl ir arī Dzy no mūsu puses, maskējamies, ne Laughing?!

 

Regarding specs - they seem right up there with 2nd gen Eneloops:

Eneloops claim 1500 recharge cycles, Panasonic 1600 - big deal, none of them will achieve these numbers in real life use, new Panasonics might be even rebranded gen3 Eneloops as well(those are rated up to 1800 cycles), simply down-marketed with lower claims regarding recharge cycles and how long it can hold capacity.

Eneloops claim 2000mAh typical, 1900mAh minimal while Panasonic's claim UP TO 2050mAh which seems to be the number most(?) of folks with MAHA/LaCrosse chargers have detected on brand new Eneloop cells.

I dont see reason why Panasonic would compete against themselves or use different NiMh technology either, I dont see a reason why these would not be your regular Eneloop under different brand name and slightly changed marketing info Wink

My 2c, pure speculation, but as already been mentioned - Panasonic owns Sanyo, so why invest in different tech just to "stay out" of competition when they can simply rebrand and change marketing data and would cost them nothing compared to run two brands with different tech and R&D.

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Jā, vēl viens apsēstais, vēl ir arī Dzy no mūsu puses, maskējamies, ne Laughing?!

 

Regarding specs - they seem right up there with 2nd gen Eneloops:

Eneloops claim 1500 recharge cycles, Panasonic 1600 - big deal, none of them will achieve these numbers in real life use, new Panasonics might be even rebranded gen3 Eneloops as well(those are rated up to 1800 cycles), simply down-marketed with lower claims regarding recharge cycles and how long it can hold capacity.

Eneloops claim 2000mAh typical, 1900mAh minimal while Panasonic's claim UP TO 2050mAh which seems to be the number most(?) of folks with MAHA/LaCrosse chargers have detected on brand new Eneloop cells.

I dont see reason why Panasonic would compete against themselves or use different NiMh technology either, I dont see a reason why these would not be your regular Eneloop under different brand name and slightly changed marketing info Wink

My 2c, pure speculation, but as already been mentioned - Panasonic owns Sanyo, so why invest in different tech just to "stay out" of competition when they can simply rebrand and change marketing data and would cost them nothing compared to run two brands with different tech and R&D.

I agree with you, but I found a thread on CPF that tested both eneloops and Evolta.  This is why I and the OP say they are not Re-brands.  The eneloops tested at 2100+ and the Evolta 2050 almost dead on.  So slightly different capacities.  I think I also read that the Evolta had better perfomance at 600 cycles.  It's all very close, both seem to be excellent cells.  What it did show however is how damn accurate both their claims are. 

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Just a little update; I received my Evolta's this morning.  They are definitely not re-branded eneloop's as the neg tab on the bottom is different.  They are very nice batteries and had 1.35v out of the packet.

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I've got some coming in the next week or two and will subject them to a similar regime to the Camelion cells. I have plenty of AA NiMH already - something like 80 of them so they can be pressed into testing for as long as anyone's interested.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Shadowww wrote:

Prieks zināt, ka neesmu šeit vienīgais cilvēks no Latvijas Smile

(Alternatively - 8.90 LVL for 4-pack of 1500x ones at memo.lv, but that is kind of pricey. Still, only way to go if you don't want to wait for a few weeks)

 

Neesi gan vienīgais Smile

Anyways, I ordered genuine eneloops and eneloop smart-chargers from nkon.nl for myself and my friend and it was cheaper than buying locally (memo.lv is good, but there exists some cheaper options for eneloops) but only in case if you make a group buy because of high shipping expenses.

These Panasonic Evolta's seems like a really good deal to me. And, if you have someone living in the UK, you can ask their help to resend them to you.

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Don wrote:

I've got some coming in the next week or two and will subject them to a similar regime to the Camelion cells. I have plenty of AA NiMH already - something like 80 of them so they can be pressed into testing for as long as anyone's interested.

Can't wait!  I just don't haven't got the means to test batteries, just a multimeter.  Did you get them from 7dayshop?  Bargain right now.

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Yes, I saw your post and thought I'd give them a try.

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Don wrote:

Yes, I saw your post and thought I'd give them a try.

 

I dare say than when you test them they will give results on a par with eneloops.  I have never had anything bad from Panasonic. When you think of the price it makes you wonder why people buy alkalines any more.  Or why they are not promoted and advertised more.  I had no idea what LSD batteries where 18 months ago.

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Not quite on topic, but still interesting fact, Lenovo uses either Sanyo or Panasonic cells in their ThinkPad laptop batteries and its been well known that if you get Panasonic made battery then you will have no problems with it and it will last you MANY cycles with VERY LITTLE loss in capacity, with Sanyo made cells on the other hand you get battery that will wear out pretty easily, thus Sanyo=poo, Panasonic=good Laughing

But in Ni-Mh world its totally different from Li world, Sanyo has been on the forefront and pushing the boundaries with their ultra reliable Eneloop series rechargeable batteries.

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Isn't Panasonic the leading supplier of Lithium-ion cells for today's electric vehicles? I can't vouch for their NiMH offerings, but with batteries in general I trust Panasonic. Considering their investment and stake in the battery sector, I can't imagine they're gonna put out crap regardless of the chemistry.