HAIII 1x or 2x26650 Flashlight Host, from CNQG - Cancelled Mod

Hello,

I recieved a flashlight host from CNQG today. It's a 1x or 2x26650 host, with all the parts except an emitter and driver. Well I thought I would show some photos of it, before I do anything to it and tell you a little about what I know, or have discovered about this host.

This is the whole kit. Everything came wrapped well and in overall good condition. I see no scratches in the ano, but I do see a few very small ano chips on the edges of a couple pieces. I see that quite often on these HAIII type lights. All of the small parts, such as the O rings, heatsink, switch parts, etc., came in a separate bag. There is even a simple contact plate there, so it could be done direct drive without a driver and all you would need is the emitter. Even the springs are there.

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Here's the bare host in 1x26650 configuration

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and 2x26650 configuration

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I wanted to show several photos of the threads, because this is the best I have ever gotten from overseas so far. I found No loose shavings at all anywhere on this light. The threads all start easily and even though they are dry as a bone, they do not squeal as you thread the pieces together. I am totally impressed by the workmanship I see, in the way of the threading, on this inexpensive host.

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Here's a side view of the head. This is where I feel the light lets me down. The exterior finish of this light is rough, just a mill finish and I know it's not a $100 light, but this work could have been done much smoother even with a machine, during the cutting process.

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Here's the pill/heatsink. It's hollow except for a thin base for the emitter/star. I imagine they call these copper, but they are brass or bronze. There may be a little copper in the mix, but it is not copper and will not conduct heat as copper would. I will be filling this in, to have a solid heatsink.

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Here's the ring to cover and hold the switch assembly in place.

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Just a shot of the tailcap with slots for a lanyard

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The reflector is threaded and screws down into the bezel. Again, the threads here are great compared to most of what I have seen.

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Some Dimensions:

OAL 1x26650 - 139.25mm

OAL 2x26650 - 203mm

Bezel OAL - 25mm

Bezel ID - 36.25mm Threaded ID

Head OAL - 47mm

Head ID - 29.2mm Threaded ID

Body OAL - the first section - 71.9mm

Body ID - the first section - 26.5mm (it should be 27mm to fit a 26650, edit: it won't fit as is)

Body OAL - the extension - 75mm

Body ID - the extension - 27.25mm (why is the extension a larger ID)

Reflector OAL - 31mm

Reflector ID at mouth - 31mm

Reflector OD at mouth - (same as Bezel ID - threaded to match bezel)

Lens - 36mm Glass

Heatsink OAL - 12.2mm

Heatsink OD - (same as head ID - threaded to match head)

Switch - appears to be 17mm with a 14mm rubber cover.

The whole host is very light. The aluminum is fairly thin and will probably dent if abused.

The idea of this host (I assume), is to buy this and drop in an emitter and driver and have a nice light. The idea is great. The actual mechanics of that fell short.

Problems:

Someone missed some crucial measurements in the stack up. When you screw in the heatsink, it threads up too far into the head and when you put the bezel assembly (with lens and reflector), onto the head, the reflector grinds down against the heatsink, before it screws down all the way. If you were to add the emitter/star into that, you would be looking at 2mm-3mm of crunch area there.

In other words, you have to back off the heatsink and guess what, if you do that, then the body does not screw all the way into the head and it barely screws in far enough to have the O ring on the body engauge.

So.... the heatsink is 2mm-3mm too tall. That's poor planning and poor execution as far as I am concerned.

Also the switch is supposed to be pressed into the tailcap, just as most chinese switches are, with a plastic holder that pushes the switch and itself into the hole to seat. One contact is supposed to be sandwiched in there to make contact against the wall of the tailcap and the other touches the spring.

That will all work, except...... No one ever removed the Ano from the inside of the tialcap, where the contact is supposed to touch and it's in a very hard place to get to, but it has to be removed before the switch is going to work. Again, someone missed the boat here.

Overall I would rate this bare host at a 4 (out of a possible 5), for what it could be, with some work on appearance and fit/finish, but I would rate it at a 2, as is, since it would not function, if you simply put it together with a driver and emitter.

This light will someday be my next mod, or one of the next at least. I don't do Li-ion, so this will be getting 3 Sub C NiMHs in it, Direct Drive, with a solid heatsink and either a T6 or U2 emitter.

I don't have any LEDs on hand, so it should be about 3 weeks or longer.

thanks for the detailed info on this host.

I wonder if 3 quality sub-cs might be too much for an xm-l? I know from experience the tenergy Ds are but those are monsters....so sub-C might be just right...

Sub-C's are monsters too, they are used in power tools generally - so they are made to handle high currents. A quality 4000mAh SC is likely to be capable of 40A draw.

This appears that it is roughly the same dimensions as a JMO5 Shadow. Looks different with different styling though. It will make an excellent project with the ability to use different batteries in the one host. I will be watching with interest.

Ok, but why would the led draw 40 amps? I mean, batteries aren't going to force amperage into an emitter. They have power available, but the object being powered is the one drawing power. Are you saying if there's 40 amps available, a led will go ahead and ask for that 40 amps? I was of the understanding that they would only draw what their maximum was able to (different for each led). Is that not correct? I mean, in that case eneloops should blow them up, since eneloops are good for 5-10 amps. I'm not getting this here. I've never seen or had a led blow due to Direct Drive, unless.... the Voltage was too high. If I do 3 NiMH with an XM-L it runs, but if I do 4 NiMH, then it can fry rather quickly. Am I way off base here?

It won't, unless you shove too much voltage down its throat. - I believe he's saying that they are capable of that current.

I'm no expert on this and some one with more knowledge will be able to explain it better. If you double the voltage you use half the current for the same watt usage.

4.7 volts at 2 amp current draw = 9.4 watts.

9.4 volts at 1 amp current draw = 9.4 watts.

Not sure where the question come from.

Open Wide! Ha… I have done voltage tests on many different LEDs, well not really tests, more like accidents. Embarassed

Yes, the Sub C batteries can dump out a lot of amps in short order. That's one of the reasons I wanted to use them, longer run time. At least I believe so...

With a led, the more voltage you pump into it, the more amperage it will accept, ending up in frying it, because the total wattage exceeds it’s limitations? Yes? No?

This is why I like doing bare hosts and leaving all the rest for someone else to fry....Tongue Out

Looks slightly similar to a couple of the Shadow lights the Foy just recently reviewed.

It does.

There are absolutely no stampings or markings on this host anywhere. Not anything to suggest who the manufacturer is. Come to think of it, I've never seen any stampings on any of the chinese lights I have handled. I guess they don't worry about anyone copying their stuff. Maybe when you make a new style flashlight every run, it doesn't matter.

I'm watching this thread carefully to see what you make of that nice host.

As others indicated, that host kit is very similar to the Shawdow JM07, but with a more aggressive strike bezel and flat base for table standing. I think it also has one extra cooling rib too than the JM07. It's possible it was CNQG's response to the Shadow but didn't materialize for some reason.

Keep up the great work.

Thanks for this review! I've been eyeing this host as potential for a relatively easy mod but I think I'll hold out for something else.

did you see my post on self-healing xml I killed one w/ 3 D alkalines - instantly, no light, no smoke, no visible damage. Just no more worky. n Then I screwed up the silicone inside the dome w/ 3D Nimh.

I found using 2s3p AA Nimh and 1 Tenergy 10A D was giving me ~3 - 3.5A (w/ the resistance in that light) but 3D would instantaneously show 5A (just tapping the meter on the tail).

So, I think it will depend on the switch, the leads, how clean the contact points are, etc.

To be safe, I'd add a resistor the first time I tested it. Just clipped to my test leads. Then I'd try it DD.

If it is heatsinked well, I don't think you'll have any problem (magic smoke) getting a direct drive reading w/ 3 sub-c.

I've popped an XML with 3x AccuPower Evolution LSD NiMH C cells in direct drive. They weren't even hot off the charger. The Vf of the XML is so low, and strong batteries like the power-tool sub-Cs hold their voltage so well under load (probably even better than the cells I used), that unless your light has a lot of resistance built in, you can certainly kill an XML with just three in DD. If the switch is crummy and the wires are thin, and the battery is rested, you might get lucky, but as the LED heats up and it's Vf drops even more, it might pop after being on for a minute or two. I recommend putting in a 7135 based regulator or a high power resistor to be on the safe side.

I built a light from a 2x26650 host from CNQG and I love it. They forgot the contact plate, but otherwise, no complaints about fit or finish. It was this one, from when they used to offer it as an empty host. I don't see that option available when searching their site for 26650 anymore.

Well, I am glad for dthrckt, Shadowww and TJ explaining it all. I would have done the DD and smoked the emitter (POOF). Since I haven't spent the money for emitters yet, I can save myself some money there.

I will do the cosmetic mods, to the host and leave it at that. (That's what I had said I would do from now on and I already waffled back to the full mods). Goes to show you can't believe half of what I say... Embarassed Got to stick with the plan...

But I love waffles.Sealed

POOF!! Do yourself a favor for the $7.00 and put a 7135 driver in. Some sub-c's will keep right up with D's, and you might stress or kill the emitter.

Rich

A factor I failed to consider....I stand corrected.

I see they claim HAIII. I'll be very interested to hear your results of filing on it.

I took a file to a hidden spot on my xtar D06 (which is the only thing I own that is HAIII) and I'll tell you what - that anodizing will screw up a cheap file I could not believe how hard it is.