TrustFire X9 - Thoughts and beamshots

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So i wanted to test my x9 using cr123a primary's. Here's is what i got:  2.55A, 1.15A, .27A

 

Edit: Its day time now. Test it in my dark garage and WOW it is a lot brighter, i was getting 1.3A using a 18650.

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stevetexas wrote:

I bought from pandamimi and paid $39.99.

In her ad she claimed 3000mA draw.

It looks and feels nice except that the Trustfire Logo is crooked.

With my new and better dmm it tests:

2.8A on High with Xtar 2600

2.7A on H with Tenergy 2600 protected flat top

2.4A with Trustfire 2400 Flame

2.0A with Ultrafire 3000

With these batteries it never gets more than a bit warm.

I tried it with a pair of CR123A batts from Battery Station.

The flashlight works fine and gets hot within 10 seconds.  After 5 minutes I switched off.  I then tested all modes and they worked fine. 

Switched on and off and retest modes 3 times, all OK.

Dumped the CR123 batts and they were quite hot.

Brightness with the CR123A was barely better than with Xtar or Tenergy 2600 but it drew 3.8 amps vrs 2.8 with Xtar and got hot fast.

I will not run CR123A again.

 

Here is my hypotheses. The crooked logo run of X9s draw 2.8A. Yavi, is your logo crooked or straight? Not a high probability on this one but you never know with these lights. 

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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Ian2381 wrote:

Here's the results of my multi meter.

X9 stock - 1.13

Ian2381 wrote:

It Doubles the Output, 1.4A from the stock driver and Now its 2.8A. Can't wait for night time.Cool

Hey Ian, so I guess you got a new multimeter or used different leads?  Cuz you said it was 1.13A before.

Looks much brighter than your previous pic! Same camera settings right? I'm still green. Wink

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Diff Multimeter. Same Camera setting. The difference is the Target, the trees is half as before due to the Tropical cyclone that hit us.

I even feel its much2 brighter than the picture.Laughing

It lights up 250 Meters easily, was thinking how people in that Building/factory thought where its coming from.

Tried to do a Video of LD40 vs X9 KD drver but the result is crappy but easily shows the difference in brightness and throw. I think it more than triple the brightness of my LD40.

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Anyone know how many lumens the output of X9 with KD driver (AMC7135*8+MCU 2800mAh)?

Thanks

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The output of the XM-L T6 should be 850L @ 2.8A

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Hikelite wrote:

The output of the XM-L T6 should be 850L @ 2.8A

What would be the OTF/ANSI on the X9?

Sorry for too many Qs.Embarassed

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Ian2381 wrote:

 

Here's the results of my multi meter.

Xtar 18700 2600mah @4.11v

KE5 - 1.44

RQ w/ xml and Ultrafire driver rated at 2.5 A - 1.85

X9 stock - 1.13

Solarforce L2 w/ 0.8-4.2v dropin modded with XML - 1.7

AW 14500 @4.11v

L2m w/ 0.8-4.2v dropin modded with XML -1.60

Xeno E03 - 1.4

In the process of doing this I dropped my fav light (Tank007 506 Steel modded with R5) 5feet to the floor, luckily it survived damaging only the wooden floor.  lol

I thought I forgot to buy something earlier today when I went to the mall, realize its the multi meter and soldering iron.

Any thoughts on the results of my test?

 

The problem is that this kind of measuring is very inaccurate. You get the right current when the resistance of the tailcap and the DMM is the same, and the DMM is accurate of course. If you use short and thick leads, sometimes you will measure much more current than the real when the tailcap is in the place, because the resistance of the tailcap is higher than the DMM+leads.

Vice versa if the resistance of the DMM is higher than the tailcap you will measure lower values.

So it would be the best, if you could equalize the resistances. But these are very low resistances, and hard to measure.

Do you understand what i want to say?  My english is not good.

unique engrish language... Smile

 

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Hikelite wrote:

The output of the XM-L T6 should be 850L @ 2.8A

Should it not be 1120L at the LED?

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how2 wrote:

Hikelite wrote:

The output of the XM-L T6 should be 850L @ 2.8A

Should it not be 1120L at the LED?

No, XM-L T6 Cannot get past 1000L

It get's 1000L  @ 4.2A

 

 Maybe in Cree's lab  @ 0 Celsius with the best samples of T6 it can do better, but that's not real life anymore.

 

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here is the beamshots of BC40, X9 (ebay) and modded X9 with KD driver

x9 ebay

bc40

x9 kd

 

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kd driver = shits bright lol..

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What should I do to see the pictures in post #221? Right click and Show Picture doesn't help.

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No photos on post 221

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I dislike imageshack. lol It takes too much time.

So you have two X9's Krikstas? You happen to have the tailcap readings on both?

THat driver mod looks impressive! Anyone make a driver swap tutorial for the X9 yet? Wink

BC40
bc40

Ebay X9 #1
x9ebay

ebay x9 #2 after KD driver mod
x9kd

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thanks fishmaniac for help

Tailcap readings:

X9 ebay 1.5 A

X9 KD 2.7

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Are you sure those are two different X9? Man you sure are fast, both photos taken within the same seconds of 26th minute of 19 PM. And an exact perfect match on the hotspot? Looks like it's medium then high on the same X9. Great job I guess.

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well i am sure they are different Smile difference is 16 sec maybe it looks fast on paper but in reality it was quite normal

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Sparktastic wrote:

This is the driver you want for the X9:

I have used these with great success with other single cell XML's.

http://kaidomain.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductId=10995

Provides a well regulated 2.8A on high and the driver can be set for three modes (H,M,L) or other modes too if you can't live without the strobes etc.

This is what I intend to put in my X9.

Have fun all..Wink

 

 

Is there a link to the 3 mode mod for this driver ?

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It's here:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/1101

You can leave the PCB connection of the leftmost star in place. The connection of any other star will take precedence.

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Thanks

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Has anyone measured 2.8A using the Nanjg 105c (8xAMC7135) driver?

I see someone got 2.7A.

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I just tested to make sure, and yes, I get 2.805 amps.

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mitro wrote:

I just tested to make sure, and yes, I get 2.805 amps.

Nice! Standard leads?

I was curious because some have got 2.6A from this driver.

But then everybody has all kind of DMMs and use standard or custom leads.

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My lead aren't standard. I use leads that have banana clips on the ends. The wire isn't particularly thick (maybe 16-18ga.) and they are 1m long.

EDIT: I just measured with the stock leads and could barely hit 2.0A.

Further EDIT: I have 2 DMMs, and if I test the resistance of one DMM with the other I get between 0.0 and 0.1 ohm with the banana clip leads and 0.5 ohms with the stock leads.

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mitro wrote:

My lead aren't standard. I use leads that have banana clips on the ends. The wire isn't particularly thick (maybe 16-18ga.) and they are 1m long.

EDIT: I just measured with the stock leads and could barely hit 2.0A.

Wow, that's one huge difference. From 2.805 to 2.0

Thanks for testing.

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I tried my X9 with 2X16340 and burned both driver and led. So, because i couldn't find a replacemend led with 32mm board, i sticked an XML with smaller board to the back side of the original 32mm led board.

led

Also changed driver with KD driver:

kd driver

Please forgive me due to bad pictures taken by my cell phone Smile . Because i don't have a good camera, i couldn't put a picture of throw but, i will show you the picture taken from googleearth which shows the most far distance that my eyes can notice:

throw

And this distance with demaged reflector surface. I dont know what happened to the surface. Is it possible because of too much heat dissipated from led?

bad reflector

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How does this light compare to the fandyfire stl v6?

Can it use 1 18650 just like the trustfire x8? (EDITED: i wrote 18500)

 

 
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if you are asking about X9, it takes 1X18650 already. 18500 is shorter around 17-20 mm then 18650 so, it does not work with X9. STL-V6 has a bigger head, that's why it should be a better thrower if its well driven. What i see about X9, it has different specs from different suppliers. Some can use 2Xcr123 some not(like mine), some well driven but, most not (like mine before changing driver). I hope this is usefull Smile

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rizaoztop wrote:

if you are asking about X9, it takes 1X18650 already. 18500 is shorter around 17-20 mm then 18650 so, it does not work with X9. STL-V6 has a bigger head, that's why it should be a better thrower if its well driven. What i see about X9, it has different specs from different suppliers. Some can use 2Xcr123 some not(like mine), some well driven but, most not (like mine before changing driver). I hope this is usefull Smile

 

OOps i meant 18650 batteries. I want to buy a good thrower that is still pocketable (16-17cm is about the max)

fandyfire is 24 and that's just too long but it looks so awesome http://budgetlightforum.com/node/4835#new beamshots in the middle of the page Shocked

 

 

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